Ched Evans

[Sister of fu]

Having read the facts of the case and seen some of the footage of the victim and seen her tweets and reading all the other stuff it does make you wonder how they came to a guilty verdict. The case is so muddy and messy. He was an idiot doing what he did and he should be ashamed of himself but was it rape? Clearly a judge and jury thought so but I just sit here thinking is there some evidence that has not been put in the public domain that got them to that decision.

He would never have been convicted of rape if he hadn't admitted to having sex with her, and why was McDonald acquitted? Why is it ok for a female to be drunk to a point where she loses all her inhibitions but not for a man? How drunk was he at the time?? IMO he should have kept a lower profile and waited until after his appeal before coming back to football. People saying he has shown no remorse or never apologised clearly haven't read the case. Why would he say sorry if he thinks he's innocent, surely that would be some admission of guilt. The whole thing is one big mess and I don't see he playing for any club anytime soon.

[Avalon]

I think we have to trust the jury system as they had more facts than anyone on here, at least until proven they were wrong wrong. However, I'm not going to post anymore about it, enough has been said.

I can only point you towards the case of Van Persie where he was accused of raping a girl, got locked in prison for 14 days before being released and eventually the case being dismissed because the woman in question made up she was raped.

Here we have a woman who cannot remember being raped, and another guy was acquitted whom admitted having sex with her the same evening and just prior to Evans.

Sis sums it up perfectly. It's fishy how they came to this conclusion.

[Sideshow Bob]

wouldn't the obvious solution for him be to play in france, turkey or whatnot?

[Sister of fu]

I think we have to trust the jury system as they had more facts than anyone on here, at least until proven they were wrong wrong. However, I'm not going to post anymore about it, enough has been said.

I can only point you towards the case of Van Persie where he was accused of raping a girl, got locked in prison for 14 days before being released and eventually the case being dismissed because the woman in question made up she was raped.

Here we have a woman who cannot remember being raped, and another guy was acquitted whom admitted having sex with her the same evening and just prior to Evans.

Sis sums it up perfectly. It's fishy how they came to this conclusion.

Has he been made an example of because he was a high profile football player? So much of this case stinks. Why was the name "Titus Bramble?" wrote on the Police officer notebook while they were talking to Macdonald? We know that Bramble was accused also of rape? Did they think Ched needing knocking down a peg or to after he said I am footballer I can have sex with girls when I want. We might no like that footballers think that but sadly its true. Would job blogs off the street been convicted in the same circumstances??

[twosips]

wouldn't the obvious solution for him be to play in france, turkey or whatnot?

He's a high profile convicted criminal. Would he legally be allowed to go over to another country to play? Relevant home offices might prevent it

[blues2win]

Evans is out on license and there's no way he would be allowed to go abroad to work. The abuse of the woman is disgraceful and Evans has finally condemned it. He has also said he's sorry about what she's been through while he maintains his innocence. This is long overdue. All that said he has to learn a living and since he's a footballer it's hard to argue that he should be stopped from playing. He's hardly a role model for anyone. Really Oldham should just have announced that he'd signed a contract. The delay was fatal. The death threats to Oldham staff should be investigated by the police. The tyranny of the twittersphere is really ugly at times.

[patrickblue]

wouldn't the obvious solution for him be to play in france, turkey or whatnot?

He did supposedly have an offer from Hibernians in Malta, but as BTW says, because he is on licence he's not allowed to work abroad.

[Sideshow Bob]

thx for the clarification.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Having read the facts of the case and seen some of the footage of the victim and seen her tweets and reading all the other stuff it does make you wonder how they came to a guilty verdict. The case is so muddy and messy. He was an idiot doing what he did and he should be ashamed of himself but was it rape? Clearly a judge and jury thought so but I just sit here thinking is there some evidence that has not been put in the public domain that got them to that decision.

He would never have been convicted of rape if he hadn't admitted to having sex with her, and why was McDonald acquitted? Why is it ok for a female to be drunk to a point where she loses all her inhibitions but not for a man? How drunk was he at the time?? IMO he should have kept a lower profile and waited until after his appeal before coming back to football. People saying he has shown no remorse or never apologised clearly haven't read the case. Why would he say sorry if he thinks he's innocent, surely that would be some admission of guilt. The whole thing is one big mess and I don't see he playing for any club anytime soon.

Pretty much my views on the whole sorry episode. Nicely summed up

[Avalon]

I think we have to trust the jury system as they had more facts than anyone on here, at least until proven they were wrong wrong. However, I'm not going to post anymore about it, enough has been said.

I can only point you towards the case of Van Persie where he was accused of raping a girl, got locked in prison for 14 days before being released and eventually the case being dismissed because the woman in question made up she was raped.

Here we have a woman who cannot remember being raped, and another guy was acquitted whom admitted having sex with her the same evening and just prior to Evans.

Sis sums it up perfectly. It's fishy how they came to this conclusion.

Has he been made an example of because he was a high profile football player? So much of this case stinks. Why was the name "Titus Bramble?" wrote on the Police officer notebook while they were talking to Macdonald? We know that Bramble was accused also of rape? Did they think Ched needing knocking down a peg or to after he said I am footballer I can have sex with girls when I want. We might no like that footballers think that but sadly its true. Would job blogs off the street been convicted in the same circumstances??

The problem too often is that if a woman accuses a man of rape, the man gets locked up. "Innocent until proven guilty" does not exist these days. She claimed she was raped, she must be right. Let's lock this guy up and then investigate. Not only does this guy now get to explain it to his employer and family, he'll also have this stain on his record and will have to live with it.

As mentioned before, van Persie was arrested and thrown in prison for 14 days. He was released and only after that it was found out that the girl had lied about the facts. He was never guilty (other than of adultery) of rape, yet he was treated as a criminal.

Here we have another footballer who has been accused of rape, but the girl in question cannot remember anything of the night. I can understand her being scared and confused waking up in a hotel room, but if she was raped (which she was according to the judge and Evans' sentence), the other guy should have been given the same sentence.

Another example is Mike Tyson whom, until this day, has claimed innocence. He was convicted of rape, despite there not being enough evidence and the girl in question had at least made one previous false claim. Yet he was sentenced guilty.

Not to make light of rape, as it a terrible act to put someone through, but if there's not enough evidence and the person in question who filed the complaint cannot actually remember the event, how can justice be served if she's not even sure what happened and when one of the two people who partook in the act was acquitted?

If he's guilty, by all means. However, it cannot be said clearly that he's guilty.

[Beefymcfc]

When I first heard about this case I felt quite ashamed that he was one of products. Then, on reading more of the facts I found it confusing how he could be convicted yet Clayton was not even charged, with no actual claims coming from the person who actually had a big say in what happened that night.

I'm sure the majority would not get themselves in that situation but for the minority that do, they should think before they act as even though they might believe that the other person is consensual, this shows that others can take a different opinion on events, if it's in the public interest.

Evans should now take the time to try and clear is name with the fast-track process now in place as what is happening at the moment isn't good for all concerned.

[Lev Bronstein]

On 6th Nov 3012, three judges at the Court of Appeal rejected Evans case

[Wonderwall]

On 6th Nov 3012, three judges at the Court of Appeal rejected Evans case

I cant believe it has been allowed to rumble on that long!

[patrickblue]

Having read the facts of the case and seen some of the footage of the victim and seen her tweets and reading all the other stuff it does make you wonder how they came to a guilty verdict. The case is so muddy and messy. He was an idiot doing what he did and he should be ashamed of himself but was it rape? Clearly a judge and jury thought so but I just sit here thinking is there some evidence that has not been put in the public domain that got them to that decision.

He would never have been convicted of rape if he hadn't admitted to having sex with her, and why was McDonald acquitted? Why is it ok for a female to be drunk to a point where she loses all her inhibitions but not for a man? How drunk was he at the time?? IMO he should have kept a lower profile and waited until after his appeal before coming back to football. People saying he has shown no remorse or never apologised clearly haven't read the case. Why would he say sorry if he thinks he's innocent, surely that would be some admission of guilt. The whole thing is one big mess and I don't see he playing for any club anytime soon.

Pretty much my views on the whole sorry episode. Nicely summed up

+1, my view as well

[frankswift]

But I'm pretty sure a lot of the do-gooders who are crying out about this are always the first in the queue to say offenders should be given a second chance etc. Personally I cant understand why this crime cannot be forgiven and a person never resume their trade after the sentence is served, yet every other one can.

Am I wrong?

Speaking as a fully-paid up, card-carrying do-gooder...

Forgiveness is for those whom he trespassed against, as the believers in god quite correctly put it. We can't forgive him. And frig me, there are plenty of people on this forum who still can't forgive Yaya for some half-arsed business with a cake.

Also, I think that there are quite a few people who have committed sex crimes who can't resume their trade after their sentence is served. Apart from priests, of course.

However, that's not why I'm posting.

Bloke takes extremely drunk woman to hotel for sex. Texts friend. Three friends turn up, one tries to film it whilst another performs oral and vaginal sex. Even in my twenties, when I put my knob in places where today I would not put the ferrule of my umbrella, I would have found that too sordid for words.

He just did what the majority of young 20's lads would do, fuck a fit drunk bird.

And if the court deemed Evans guilty, they should also deem the other guy guilty. The whole sentence is retarded.

... and why was McDonald acquitted?

Getting pissed, as, it seems, happened to Mr McDonald, and ending up in bed with someone else who is pissed is one thing. Receiving a text and thinking "I'll have a bit of that as well", if that is what Mr Evans thought, is both nauseating and predatory, in my opinion. The verdict is not necessarily retarded.

I dont care of his innocence, he took advantage of the situation, he knew what he was doing. However, its the fact that the lynch mobs are saying he should not work again! I wonder if they would be saying the same if he was grounds-keeper who sat on a lawnmower!
Would they bolox

Why don't you ask them? You never know. But I don't think that there are lynch mobs out there. Just a load of mouthy internet warriors.

And as for do-gooders wishing to give people second chances. Yes, in general, people should be given second chances, but I think the welfare of the victim should have a priority.

So the girl claims she was "a bit tipsy but not out of control" and that she thinks her drink was spiked by Evans and Clayton in the hotel room. Yet she was tested for any date rape substance in her system and all the came up was cocaine. And people actually still believe she was raped?!!! Mental! She contradicted her story at every turn!

A lot of people don't see the woman as a victim. Maybe she wasn't. I'm not fond of applying the term 'victim' straight away - it's a behaviour that we associate with our friends who live at the other end of the A580. But she is certainly a victim now, seeing what she and her family have had to do ever since the incident. What seems to be a recurring theme is the readiness to let Mr Evans get on with his life, whilst condemning the woman. John@staustell talks about offenders getting a second chance. She's not been given much freedom to get on with her life. It is quite clear to me, and possibly to others, that she did not go out that night in order to entrap a footballer and get him imprisoned. It's possible that subsequently she was badly advised, panic-striken, desperate or just stupid, but she doesn't deserve the treatment she is receiving.

Mr Evans's statement indicates to me that he is letting someone more intelligent than he is draught a document that can start to bring some closure. Particularly the bit about the effect on the woman and condemning the attacks on her. For the first time I have some sympathy with him, rather than thinking "if he did that to one of my daughters, what would be the best way to break his legs badly enough to stop him kicking a ball again?"

Apparently Oldham said no to Evans, but he took it as a yes.

The fourth internationalist has once again made the most intelligent comment on the thread.

[Ted Hughes]

Guilty or not, he's still a piece of shit imo, & I'm not proud he came through our academy.

Having said that; if what he did constitutes rape, there will be a lot of guilty people walking free at this very moment, & not all of them blokes.

[mr_nool]

That was a cracking post, frankswift!

[Mase]

@frankswift

"Bloke takes extremely drunk woman to hotel for sex."

Actually she said herself that she was "tipsy but not out of control". Next..

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

@frankswift

"Bloke takes extremely drunk woman to hotel for sex."

Actually she said herself that she was "tipsy but not out of control". Next..

There is cctv footage and witness reports saying she was very drunk.
But I have to say it is hardly unusual for a drunk woman to have sex. Or a drunk man You wouldn't expect to do time for it. Let's stop being holier than thou.

[twosips]

Bloke takes extremely drunk woman to hotel for sex. Texts friend. Three friends turn up, one tries to film it whilst another performs oral and vaginal sex. Even in my twenties, when I put my knob in places where today I would not put the ferrule of my umbrella, I would have found that too sordid for words.

He just did what the majority of young 20's lads would do, fuck a fit drunk bird.

And if the court deemed Evans guilty, they should also deem the other guy guilty. The whole sentence is retarded.

... and why was McDonald acquitted?

Getting pissed, as, it seems, happened to Mr McDonald, and ending up in bed with someone else who is pissed is one thing. Receiving a text and thinking "I'll have a bit of that as well", if that is what Mr Evans thought, is both nauseating and predatory, in my opinion. The verdict is not necessarily retarded.

Couldn't agree more. Never have I ever thought of doing something that, even in my more lustful years. I wouldn't travel to a hotel to have sex with a girl my mate picked up while drunk. It's fucking creepy and weird. Getting someone to film it too from outside of the window? What the fuck?.. and then leaving via a fire exit. If that doesn't imply he was at least thinking what he did was a bit creepy then i don't know what does.