The Long Ball/Pass Debate

[Beefymcfc]

Just noticed an article on the Beeb and thought it was quite interesting how Opta differentiate the difference between a long ball and long pass (the new buzz word). It actually looks like they are trying to prove BFS wrong by saying that the Rags long pass stats are well down the list compared to the possession they have, backing up Buttheads claims that they are not a long ball team. Even though it shows the Rags way down the list for long passes, it does actually show that they've manipulated the figures to put them in a better light. They are actually top of the stats for long passes and overall they'd probably be in the top 5 for long ball/long passes, putting them on an even keel with the PL strugglers.

Here's the Link for those interested.

[Im_Spartacus]

I wasn't aware previously of a distinction, and even now think it's tenuous.

If you pass the ball more than 35 yards, you have a higher chance of losing posession than you do if you pass it 10. So for a team like United to keep trying thee Hollywood balls, what does that say about them? Well to me it says that they perhaps try to get the ball forwards quickly or switch play quickly from flank to flank, which could be positive attributes, however that would miss the glaringly obvious point about their shit midfield and the fact that it would appear that in forward play, the team either attempt to miss out the central midfield, wheras the actual story as far as I can see it, is that the central midfield aren't showing for the short ball leaving players with little option but to hit and hope.

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

[Beefymcfc]

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

In my eyes also. The way they've tried to package that article strikes of looking after their loved ones when the reality is what we see from them week in/week out, a ball over the top, or into the channels.

Also shows how many long balls we play; not that many.

[Im_Spartacus]

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

In my eyes also. The way they've tried to package that article strikes of looking after their loved ones when the reality is what we see from them week in/week out, a ball over the top, or into the channels.

Also shows how many long balls we play; not that many.

Most of ours will be Hart! Although I would like us to do it more when we have pace like navas and aguero in the side.

[Beefymcfc]

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

In my eyes also. The way they've tried to package that article strikes of looking after their loved ones when the reality is what we see from them week in/week out, a ball over the top, or into the channels.

Also shows how many long balls we play; not that many.

Most of ours will be Hart! Although I would like us to do it more when we have pace like navas and aguero in the side.

Now we have Bony, and Dzeko coming back, I want to see us mix it up. Our form isn't the best at home due to teams parking the bus but by dragging them out and leaving Bony to run against the CBs I think it will pay dividends.

Not too often of course, I like our attacking play, just not our defensive.

[zuricity]

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

In my eyes also. The way they've tried to package that article strikes of looking after their loved ones when the reality is what we see from them week in/week out, a ball over the top, or into the channels.

Also shows how many long balls we play; not that many.

perhaps it 's because we can't do the long ball. ? ( ie Corner, free kick )

[Beefymcfc]

Whichever way you look at it though, it's a long ball

In my eyes also. The way they've tried to package that article strikes of looking after their loved ones when the reality is what we see from them week in/week out, a ball over the top, or into the channels.

Also shows how many long balls we play; not that many.

perhaps it 's because we can't do the long ball. ? ( ie Corner, free kick )

Corners, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

[Ted Hughes]

Long ball is fair enough when you are in the shit in a game imo. If it works & you are struggling, you do whatever to win.

But however they dress it up, to add £250 mil worth of players to a side which won the league two seasons ago, & end up hitting more long balls than anyone else in the league, is obscene.

And the mvp ? Moyes' joke signing Fellaini.

It's a fucking good job strikers are intimidated playing them, & DeGea is having a good season, otherwise they would be in a relegation battle.

[Beefymcfc]

De Gea is having a good season, otherwise they would be in a relegation battle.

He is but I'm not sure about a relegation battle, they's already be down by now if it wasn't for the donut knicking fucker!

[patrickblue]

I wasn't aware previously of a distinction, and even now think it's tenuous.

If you pass the ball more than 35 yards, you have a higher chance of losing posession than you do if you pass it 10. So for a team like United to keep trying thee Hollywood balls, what does that say about them?

To me it says they're a bunch of cunts.

That aside, we can 't have not them playing the "united way" can we? Be bad for their image in Singapore.
Fucking arrogant shower of shite with their fucking philosophy.
Bunch of long ball hoofers.

[Beefymcfc]

I wasn't aware previously of a distinction, and even now think it's tenuous.

If you pass the ball more than 35 yards, you have a higher chance of losing posession than you do if you pass it 10. So for a team like United to keep trying thee Hollywood balls, what does that say about them?

To me it says they're a bunch of cunts.

That aside, we can 't have not them playing the "united way" can we? Be bad for their image in Singapore.
Fucking arrogant shower of shite with their fucking philosophy.
Bunch of long ball hoofers.

Love it.

[mr_nool]

That presser where he handed out his compendium is fantastic. He's such an arrogant twat and unbelievably awkward, but he's so far up his own arse he doesn't seem to have a clue.

He's had quite a few what-the-fuck-moments like that on Dutch telly. Always very amusing.

[Beefymcfc]

OMG, just realised we haven't heard from Dev (Longball) for a while, I hope he's not done a Nick Cotton!

Where are you son?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

[Beefymcfc]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

You're obviously well versed MC and for the majority of the PL the Rags have been getting away with it, mainly due to expensive players. Every now and then they played wonderful football but it was never as good as ours, since we played that way.

[iwasthere2012]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

You're obviously well versed MC and for the majority of the PL the Rags have been getting away with it, mainly due to expensive players. Every now and then they played wonderful football but it was never as good as ours, since we played that way.

There's a fine line between a pass and a punt.
A lot depends on the accuracy of the punter and the control of the puntee.

[nottsblue]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

You're obviously well versed MC and for the majority of the PL the Rags have been getting away with it, mainly due to expensive players. Every now and then they played wonderful football but it was never as good as ours, since we played that way.

There's a fine line between a pass and a punt.
A lot depends on the quality of the punter and the control of the puntee.

Certainly the quality of the punter at the swamp is low. Doubt there is an IQ over 120 in the home stands. Certainly not on the pitch or in the dugout.

SCUM

[iwasthere2012]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

You're obviously well versed MC and for the majority of the PL the Rags have been getting away with it, mainly due to expensive players. Every now and then they played wonderful football but it was never as good as ours, since we played that way.

There's a fine line between a pass and a punt.
A lot depends on the quality of the punter and the control of the puntee.

Certainly the quality of the punter at the swamp is low. Doubt there is an IQ over 120 in the home stands. Certainly not on the pitch or in the dugout.

SCUM

I'm assuming your talking collectively there.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

You're obviously well versed MC and for the majority of the PL the Rags have been getting away with it, mainly due to expensive players. Every now and then they played wonderful football but it was never as good as ours, since we played that way.

There's a fine line between a pass and a punt.
A lot depends on the quality of the punter and the control of the puntee.

Certainly the quality of the punter at the swamp is low. Doubt there is an IQ over 120 in the home stands. Certainly not on the pitch or in the dugout.

SCUM

That's a fine and accurate assessment NB.

[sheblue]

I've always regarded the Scum as a long ball outfit.

In the 1990s, at one of the places where I worked, there was a ridiculous Scum follower and, at that time, Mark Spews was occupying the centre-forward spot.

I used to tell this Scum fan that his team were just a kick and rush, Wimbledon/Watford style outfit but he used to swear blind that the long balls that they were playing were actually long passes to Spews' head and, when he knocked them down, it was for them to start playing playing football in the final third of the pitch.

He seemed to be oblivious to the fact that a team could actually play football in midfield, rather than merely bye-passing that part of the pitch. His retort, as it were, was along the lines of "why would you want or need to do that and risk losing the ball there ??".

It seems as though today, Butthead's All Star Long-ball XI are firmly keeping up the Scum's glorious traditions; it's the United way.

Your bang on there, and watching them last week i couldn't help thinking the same thing. after butthead and co trying all sorts of shit out since the start of the season they have reverted back to their old ways, awful stuff really. thing is when they do it, the rag licking brigade call it 'direct articulate passing' when everyone else does it, sure its just called a good old game of hoof ball.