***Burnley POST Match Thread*** (split from Matchday thread)

[Ted Hughes]

Whether or not Pellegrini plays the kids has absolutley fuck all to do with what happened tonight. The formation had fuck all to do with what happened tonight. If Pellegrini has to motivate the players, then it's his fault. But why does he have to motivate them ?

If Pellegrini does have to motivate the players, then can we be sure the next manager can motivate them for two seasons, or do we need a new one every year.

When we won the first title incidentally, did we storm forward & grab it, or did we fuck up loads & chuck it away, then win it back ? How about last season at the same time ? How did Silva look both times, round about the same time ? Top of his game ?

I don't give a flying fuck who our manager is, so long as he plays the right football to suit the academy, but people picking out a few more recent signings & pet dislikes, & giving the rest of this bunch a free ride, are taking the fucking piss.

This is a failure by the whole squad, not just a few individuals or just the manager.

[PrezIke]

is it that our defence is really that much weaker? last year we scored goals MUCH easier than this, especially in the first half of the season where we tore many teams up in the first few minutes of matches. don't see that much anymore.

[mcfc93]

Maybe its time to use specialised midfielders instead of a jack of all trade kind like dinho and toure. Good at most things dribbling, passing and defending. But master of none. What we need is a good passer in midfield(kroos or fabregas) and a better starting calibre version of navas(reus maybe?)

In hindsight, why did we buy fernando. It seemed logical at that time to add some defence in midfield. But we have no intention of defending at all do we. Would we have been better served to just get a specialised creator instead? A midfield trio of kroos toure and dinho? I mean a fernando would not fare much btr than a fernandinho in a 2v1 situation

[kinkylola]

this one is down to the players desire for me.

there's no excuse for losing to burnley, it's not the formation, it's not instructions ... it's players all deciding to have an off day at the same time. If even one of our stars were "on" we'd have too much for burnley to stop us. Instead we get that tepid performance.

Peller's may have had trouble motivating the players, but I don't really get that. I've obviously never been a professional player, but I've played at relative high levels in school / university across several sports, and if you are down the stretch fighting for a title you go out and FUCKING FIGHT FOR IT. I would have never needed a coach or manager to get me hyped up, I wouldn't want to hear a word from them ... I'd have all the motivation i needed from the get go. There are few players I see that lay it on the line when the chips are down this season.

Sounds like a cliche, but seems pretty accurate to me.

[Hazy2]

The squad is a mess, from Milner, taking the piss to Bony looking like Barry Conlon. Nasri looks like a scapegoat. That to me is a squad of cliques. Your in or out, I wonder how many are talking to Txiki behind the managers back again ? No unity, no desire no chance. That performance was a public nailing of the manager. We are back where we were 2 years ago, players tossing off another season. Manager sacked. Time for someone to grab the nettle and sort the players out, it Should never have got to this again. A manager any manager needs supporting when faced with a bunch of cunts like we have. This board was split into Mancini haters all his fault, sorry we are here again.. Whichever way you cut it.

[City64]

The squad is a mess, from Milner, taking the piss to Bony looking like Barry Conlon. Nasri looks like a scapegoat. That to me is a squad of cliques. Your in or out, I wonder how many are talking to Txiki behind the managers back again ? No unity, no desire no chance. That performance was a public nailing of the manager. We are back where we were 2 years ago, players tossing off another season. Manager sacked. Time for someone to grab the nettle and sort the players out, it Should never have got to this again. A manager any manager needs supporting when faced with a bunch of cunts like we have. This board was split into Mancini haters all his fault, sorry we are here again.. Whichever way you cut it.

Good post . Mancini assembled the squad that brought us the FA cup and that first epic league title playing incredible football along the way that achievement and what Mancini achieved in itself deserves it's place in MCFC history forever , Pellegrini basically inherited the same squad but added some shite as did Mancini in his last season . Things were freshened up in Pellegrini,s first season and we won the double in this season but just like Mancini,s last season we have gone backwards at an alarming rate ......... anyone see the connection ???? the basis of both managers integral squad are still there although Tevez took the brunt of the blame in the final weeks of Mancini,s reign . A new manager with ambition will get more effort from a squad of class players but ego,s play a huge part in football , sadly Pellegrini ISNT the man to take us forward whether it is Guardiola , Ancheloti or even Simeone or anyone else we will know in a few weeks . MCFC has to move forward and the reality is in modern day football managers rarely stay in a job more than 3 seasons with elite clubs , MCFC is no exception !

[Green & Blue]

I don't know what to make of it all at the moment.If a title fight can't motivate the players what can.They showed such great spirit to get back level on points with Chelsea it's hard to fathom how it's all gone so wrong in the league since.

[Nick]

at the end of the day every single city player can FUCK off for me.

bollocks to pellers taking the blame, every player is a bottling cunt.

getting managers sacked AGAIN, we should flog half the fucking squad they are a JOKE

[Wilson Raine]

The day after the match and I'm feeling 'blue' Sorry for the 'pun' but I'm getting that sinking feeling again like the last season for Manchini. There is a malaise within the team and has been for some time over the past 3-4 months. The players have lost their 'get-up and go' - no passion, no desire to win. Is it arrogance as someone suggested - an expectation to win if they just show up for the match - I don't know but something/s just ain't right within the camp.

I've seen it suggested that the team is tired - lets not forget most of our first team squad are internationals and played some part in the world cup, played some friendlies (pre season) and two of our players were in the African cup as well. Could this be a factor - again, we don't know? The manager stated they played like 'normal' in his post match interview or were unlucky (in regards to the stonewall penalty he is right) but to say that the performance was normal is a sad joke indeed.

To state getting rid of some of the players is correct and right if they under-perform but who would we get to replace those players? How many more millions have city got to spend to 'get it right'? Is it time to promote some of the EDS players to the 1st team - there are people more qualified to answer that than me. The squad needs passion, commitment, graft and some 'balls' A pride in wearing the club badge we as fans all love and support. And that seems to be lacking in this current squad.

It is a sad state of affairs and it's a mess. Is it the managers fault - yes and the players as well. It just seems like they can no longer be bothered. They 'talk the talk' but can't be bothered to 'do the walk' anymore. But what would we bring in, more money grabbing leeches on at least 100k per week - no thanks! I don't know the answers but I know one thing for sure this squad ain't a cohesive unit and things need to be changed in the summer.

Sorry for the long post folks.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

this one is down to the players desire for me.

there's no excuse for losing to burnley, it's not the formation, it's not instructions ... it's players all deciding to have an off day at the same time. If even one of our stars were "on" we'd have too much for burnley to stop us. Instead we get that tepid performance.

Peller's may have had trouble motivating the players, but I don't really get that. I've obviously never been a professional player, but I've played at relative high levels in school / university across several sports, and if you are down the stretch fighting for a title you go out and FUCKING FIGHT FOR IT. I would have never needed a coach or manager to get me hyped up, I wouldn't want to hear a word from them ... I'd have all the motivation i needed from the get go. There are few players I see that lay it on the line when the chips are down this season.

Sounds like a cliche, but seems pretty accurate to me.

If the players need motivating then the players need to go, not the manager.

[Blue Since 76]

this one is down to the players desire for me.

there's no excuse for losing to burnley, it's not the formation, it's not instructions ... it's players all deciding to have an off day at the same time. If even one of our stars were "on" we'd have too much for burnley to stop us. Instead we get that tepid performance.

Peller's may have had trouble motivating the players, but I don't really get that. I've obviously never been a professional player, but I've played at relative high levels in school / university across several sports, and if you are down the stretch fighting for a title you go out and FUCKING FIGHT FOR IT. I would have never needed a coach or manager to get me hyped up, I wouldn't want to hear a word from them ... I'd have all the motivation i needed from the get go. There are few players I see that lay it on the line when the chips are down this season.

Sounds like a cliche, but seems pretty accurate to me.

If the players need motivating then the players need to go, not the manager.

If the players need motivating, they and the manager need to go.

He clearly can't manage them anymore, so is in the wrong job but a few of them think they're in charge and the club needs to make sure that is put right. They're about to get another manager the sack and I hope Pellegrini calls them out on it before he goes

[Sister of fu]

Burnley need to sort their hospitality out, running out of pies before half time is just as unacceptable as our teams performance.

[Dameerto]

Burnley need to sort their hospitality out, running out of pies before half time is just as unacceptable as our teams performance.

I feel sorry for every Blue that went to Burnley - and not because of the pie shortage.

[Wonderwall]

I have split this out from the matchday thread as there is a lot of post match analysis here that is worthy of its own thread.

For me I think its has become quite apparent that we have problems (I know ... captain stating the obvious).

Last season we were excellent and saw off a strong scouse1 challenge and we scored bucket loads on the way to a brilliant entertaining double.
This season we have the best away record in the league, its not hard to understand why, its because the home teams feel that they should try and go and win the game at home and tend to play a bit more openly, which in turn allows our more superior players to exploit them.

However, we have been well and truly found out, our way of playing is predictable and slow, which allows the opposition to get everyone back behind the ball. At home we are finding it increasingly difficult to break teams down.
Our forwards have no space to run into
The full backs seemed to have stopped the endless overlapping runs.
Our set plays this season are horrific (corners and free kicks)
The 4-4-2 formation stopped working a long time ago and Pellers did change it but for some reason has reverted back to it, which is just stupid.
Lack of tactical nous to change things EARLY (stubborn)
The constant rotation for no reason other than keeping people happy.

I don't buy the world cup fatigue bollocks, al the other top teams had players at the world cup and they are looking fresh. Chelsea has played almost the same team all season with very little changes, they will win OUR double this year.

Our lack of fighting spirit is a worry also, going out of the cups to a Newcastle reserve team and a Championship team is not good enough. Pellers needs to sort it out and soon or he is a dead man walking.

[Sister of fu]

I couldn't get my head around all the long ball hoofing to Sergio. Kompany would get the ball and then play a long ball to our 5ft 5 forward. Burnley must have been pissing their sides. No offence to them but they had championship defenders who will gobble up long balls all day long. The amount of times we just went route one with zero affect on the game was an embarrassment. If I was playing against City I would say let Kompany or Hart have the ball as we will get it back as soon as they kick it long, you would be guaranteed that it either hit the CH on the head or goes out of play.

[Sister of fu]

Burnley need to sort their hospitality out, running out of pies before half time is just as unacceptable as our teams performance.

I feel sorry for every Blue that went to Burnley - and not because of the pie shortage.

Was a really strange place. They had 5 gates to let 4,000 fans in at and pretty much dumped all the coaches at the same time outside the gates. They ran out of food, wouldn't serve beer at half time and closed a whole street off with a big metal wall and made fans go into back alleyways to get to cars. Surely that's more dangerous?? The football was shite also.

[City64]

Pellegrini is finished , we now need to focus on which manager will be taking over .

[carl_feedthegoat]

When you get some twat like Boyd slating us on our shit tactics then you know something is fuckign wrong !

[BmoreBlue]

Maybe its time to use specialised midfielders instead of a jack of all trade kind like dinho and toure. Good at most things dribbling, passing and defending. But master of none. What we need is a good passer in midfield(kroos or fabregas) and a better starting calibre version of navas(reus maybe?)

In hindsight, why did we buy fernando. It seemed logical at that time to add some defence in midfield. But we have no intention of defending at all do we. Would we have been better served to just get a specialised creator instead? A midfield trio of kroos toure and dinho? I mean a fernando would not fare much btr than a fernandinho in a 2v1 situation

in the first paragraph you want specialised midfielders, and in the second you slate a midfield specialist?

[Hazy2]

I couldn't get my head around all the long ball hoofing to Sergio. Kompany would get the ball and then play a long ball to our 5ft 5 forward. Burnley must have been pissing their sides. No offence to them but they had championship defenders who will gobble up long balls all day long. The amount of times we just went route one with zero affect on the game was an embarrassment. If I was playing against City I would say let Kompany or Hart have the ball as we will get it back as soon as they kick it long, you would be guaranteed that it either hit the CH on the head or goes out of play.

"Get the basics right Vinny and simplify your game, I have said that to tons of players in shit form" The captain with his arse smacked face said ok watch this then, he is a total sulking tosser, I never thought it was him but he with Hart were the 1st to whinge to Txlki, that problem now is is pretty clear he is a spoilt brat who is in shit form and cannot accept his game needs sorting out, You must have played with players who have a problem with being told what is what, Vinny is that player Sussed out !