100 mil for Nasri, Kolarov, Dzeko, Yaya and Jovetic

[DoomMerchant]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

OR he could be Walcott Mark II. Either is just as likely imho.

Pogba. Schneiderlin.

That's all.

Cheers

[Wonderwall]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

Sterling is very one dimensional, Huckerby, Bellamy, we have had those players before, I dont see Sterling as a top footballer, he is another walcott, lennon and townsend (not Andy). They had pace and could kick a ball, thats where it ends for me.

[twosips]

I'd love it if we got another Bellamy ^

Great player.

[PrezIke]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

Sterling is very one dimensional, Huckerby, Bellamy, we have had those players before, I dont see Sterling as a top footballer, he is another walcott, lennon and townsend (not Andy). They had pace and could kick a ball, thats where it ends for me.

I don't agree with that, but to each his own I guess. Sterling seems better with the ball at his feet in tight spaces, better short passer, more creative...just more talented overall than the other three. Also been more consistent, and relied upon by his club than the other two have ever been.

Sorry if one hates to read an American baseball reference, but to me he is "the straw that stirs" Liverpool's "drink." Yes, Suarez was vital to their success last season, but Sterling was a beast, and continues to be when put next to more creative attacking oriented players. Put him in our side and I feel he would flourish.

[iwasthere2012]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

Sterling is very one dimensional, Huckerby, Bellamy, we have had those players before, I dont see Sterling as a top footballer, he is another walcott, lennon and townsend (not Andy). They had pace and could kick a ball, thats where it ends for me.

I don't agree with that, but to each his own I guess. Sterling seems better with the ball at his feet in tight spaces, better short passer, more creative...just more talented overall than the other three. Also been more consistent, and relied upon by his club than the other two have ever been.

Sorry if one hates to read an American baseball reference, but to me he is "the straw that stirs" Liverpool's "drink." Yes, Suarez was vital to their success last season, but Sterling was a beast, and continues to be when put next to more creative attacking oriented players. Put him in our side and I feel he would flourish.

Not for me. I would rather promote our own youth. Barker perhaps or Lopez probably, if it's too soon for Barker. The money we'd spend on Sterling could be put to better use.

[Dwaring]

I really wouldn't mind selling some of the older stock and promoting youth from within. Wait a year to see how some of the youngsters do and then fill in the gaps with transfers. I know no one wants to hear it but we need a rebuild year with our squads age. Looking back it should have been this year but there's nothing that can be done now. I don't see us missing the top 4 even while bleeding some youngsters.

[PrezIke]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ty-academy

I know I read many here wanting us to promote youth, and give them a chance...and I am about that as well, but I'm with Pellegrini that it is a risky game for big clubs to play. Home fans tend to overrate their own youth.

Barker, Denayer, Lopes, Pozo, Ambrose, etc. could turn out to be good players, but they could also wind up being Darius Vassell or Solomon Kalou...or worse.

Regularly United is ragged upon for their overuse of English players who really are just not good enough. Arguably that ended up hindering their ability to remain as strong as they were.

I know of those listed only Barker is English, but while I stayed out of that original conversation due to concerns I might sound like a complaining outsider, I feel Dyke has really lost the plot, or is at least out of touch with some developing views about "borders" that the Premier League has exemplified, and is catering to xenophobic attitudes that are reportedly quite high in the UK and across the continent right now.

The sport is globalised, and the Premier League has benefited.

I guess since I'm not English I don't have as much motivation to want to see English players come through the system, although I actually do support England when I watch them against most opponents and wish them to do well generally, but the Premier League is a privately run business, not a national propaganda machine.

Anyway, that was a bit disjointed perhaps, but I guess the real point is if you want to be the best you cannot limit your options. As City supporters we are going to see your club struggle further to compete with acquiring the limited number of English players that may turn out to to be class, some of whom will not anyway if Dyke and the FA has its way.

I like the idea of us developing our own talent, a lot, but we have to also balance that with the reality that some of them are just not going to turn out as we may hope. Through that we have to use the transfer market wisely, and that sometimes means putting some young players in a position where they will have to prove themselves at a lower level, on loan and in training. Clubs can make mistakes as well (i.e. Pogba, DeBruyne), but that's sport, no?

Btw, to address what are legitimate concerns about balance in the Premier League some form of salary cap could be effective as it is in some American sports. the NBA is perhaps the best at this, as the cap is "soft" not "hard" (you can go over it if you wish, but will pay heavy penalties as a result). Of course, I doubt you would see the same in La Liga so that could end up hurting English clubs even more.

[Original Dub]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

Sterling is very one dimensional, Huckerby, Bellamy, we have had those players before, I dont see Sterling as a top footballer, he is another walcott, lennon and townsend (not Andy). They had pace and could kick a ball, thats where it ends for me.

Huckerby and Bellamy (as much as I loved him) were not half as talented as Sterling aged 20 mate

[Wooders]

I'm not saying we fill the squad with youth players but I am majorly concerned that despite all this propaganda about how amazing our academy is we haven't had a player from the academy make a position in the squad his own since Richards (or maybe Ireland) - it doesn't sit well with me

[Ted Hughes]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/02/manuel-pellegrini-greg-dyke-manchester-city-academy

I know I read many here wanting us to promote youth, and give them a chance...and I am about that as well, but I'm with Pellegrini that it is a risky game for big clubs to play. Home fans tend to overrate their own youth.

Barker, Denayer, Lopes, Pozo, Ambrose, etc. could turn out to be good players, but they could also wind up being Darius Vassell or Solomon Kalou...or worse.

Regularly United is ragged upon for their overuse of English players who really are just not good enough. Arguably that ended up hindering their ability to remain as strong as they were.

I know of those listed only Barker is English, but while I stayed out of that original conversation due to concerns I might sound like a complaining outsider, I feel Dyke has really lost the plot, or is at least out of touch with some developing views about "borders" that the Premier League has exemplified, and is catering to xenophobic attitudes that are reportedly quite high in the UK and across the continent right now.

The sport is globalised, and the Premier League has benefited.

I guess since I'm not English I don't have as much motivation to want to see English players come through the system, although I actually do support England when I watch them against most opponents and wish them to do well generally, but the Premier League is a privately run business, not a national propaganda machine.

Anyway, that was a bit disjointed perhaps, but I guess the real point is if you want to be the best you cannot limit your options. As City supporters we are going to see your club struggle further to compete with acquiring the limited number of English players that may turn out to to be class, some of whom will not anyway if Dyke and the FA has its way.

I like the idea of us developing our own talent, a lot, but we have to also balance that with the reality that some of them are just not going to turn out as we may hope. Through that we have to use the transfer market wisely, and that sometimes means putting some young players in a position where they will have to prove themselves at a lower level, on loan and in training. Clubs can make mistakes as well (i.e. Pogba, DeBruyne), but that's sport, no?

Btw, to address what are legitimate concerns about balance in the Premier League some form of salary cap could be effective as it is in some American sports. the NBA is perhaps the best at this, as the cap is "soft" not "hard" (you can go over it if you wish, but will pay heavy penalties as a result). Of course, I doubt you would see the same in La Liga so that could end up hurting English clubs even more.

No they couldn't end up being Darius Vassell, the centre halves are better footballers than him.

Thre is a chance none of them will make it & there is a chance most of them will make it.

Imo, a decent manager would get some players through, starting next season with people like Denayer playing regularly & the likes of Barker, Angelino etc getting subs' jobs & an occasional game here & there, leading to them becoming full squad players the following season.

If Ferguson was in charge, most of these kids would get full games for City next season & many would be regulars in the squad the following season, then the ones who turned out to be just place fillers would be sold to Hull.

I have absolutely no doubt that would happen with these kids, if Sir Bacon was in charge.

If the Count can't do the same next season, he should fuck off.

[iwasthere2012]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/02/manuel-pellegrini-greg-dyke-manchester-city-academy

I know I read many here wanting us to promote youth, and give them a chance...and I am about that as well, but I'm with Pellegrini that it is a risky game for big clubs to play. Home fans tend to overrate their own youth.

Barker, Denayer, Lopes, Pozo, Ambrose, etc. could turn out to be good players, but they could also wind up being Darius Vassell or Solomon Kalou...or worse.

Regularly United is ragged upon for their overuse of English players who really are just not good enough. Arguably that ended up hindering their ability to remain as strong as they were.

I know of those listed only Barker is English, but while I stayed out of that original conversation due to concerns I might sound like a complaining outsider, I feel Dyke has really lost the plot, or is at least out of touch with some developing views about "borders" that the Premier League has exemplified, and is catering to xenophobic attitudes that are reportedly quite high in the UK and across the continent right now.

The sport is globalised, and the Premier League has benefited.

I guess since I'm not English I don't have as much motivation to want to see English players come through the system, although I actually do support England when I watch them against most opponents and wish them to do well generally, but the Premier League is a privately run business, not a national propaganda machine.

Anyway, that was a bit disjointed perhaps, but I guess the real point is if you want to be the best you cannot limit your options. As City supporters we are going to see your club struggle further to compete with acquiring the limited number of English players that may turn out to to be class, some of whom will not anyway if Dyke and the FA has its way.

I like the idea of us developing our own talent, a lot, but we have to also balance that with the reality that some of them are just not going to turn out as we may hope. Through that we have to use the transfer market wisely, and that sometimes means putting some young players in a position where they will have to prove themselves at a lower level, on loan and in training. Clubs can make mistakes as well (i.e. Pogba, DeBruyne), but that's sport, no?

Btw, to address what are legitimate concerns about balance in the Premier League some form of salary cap could be effective as it is in some American sports. the NBA is perhaps the best at this, as the cap is "soft" not "hard" (you can go over it if you wish, but will pay heavy penalties as a result). Of course, I doubt you would see the same in La Liga so that could end up hurting English clubs even more.

No they couldn't end up being Darius Vassell, the centre halves are better footballers than him.

Thre is a chance none of them will make it & there is a chance most of them will make it.

Imo, a decent manager would get some players through, starting next season with people like Denayer playing regularly & the likes of Barker, Angelino etc getting subs' jobs & an occasional game here & there, leading to them becoming full squad players the following season.

If Ferguson was in charge, most of these kids would get full games for City next season & many would be regulars in the squad the following season, then the ones who turned out to be just place fillers would be sold to Hull.

I have absolutely no doubt that would happen with these kids, if Sir Bacon was in charge.

If the Count can't do the same next season, he should fuck off.

Some interesting points Prezlke, I'm in a similar position being Irish. I've also mentioned on here that having an English/Homegrown Quota system in place doesn't seem logical to me if the rest of Europe are not operating under the same regulations. I think Greg Dyke would be hamstringing English Clubs.
It would perpetuate the overpaying for mediocrity, that is going on at the moment.
Surely the purpose of the Academy is to get the likes of the players that Ted mentions into the squad instead of having to shell out stupid money for players that are no better.
Even the best of the current English crop. I wouldn't go near them. You end up forking out a fortune for a player that, at the end of the day is not better than what you could get on the European/World market for the same price.
We have youngsters that are good enough to force their way into the squad. This should leave you with a budget that can be better spent on absolute necessities. Real quality additions that we don't have amongst our ranks.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Yeah I want Sterling too.

Or someone else who is going to run hard at defenders and force them to make a decision. Sterling is 20 years old and can still improve a LOT.
But if we had him from the summer on, we could end up with a superstar IMO.

Sterling is very one dimensional, Huckerby, Bellamy, we have had those players before, I dont see Sterling as a top footballer, he is another walcott, lennon and townsend (not Andy). They had pace and could kick a ball, thats where it ends for me.

Looks great approaching the box but his end product is rarely any good.

[PrezIke]

http://www.espnfc.us/story/2377976/yaya ... co-fassone

Fassone told Tuttosport: "Who doesn't dream of having a player like him? Toure would give our midfield line something that we are lacking. But his wages and City's asking price might be a big obstacle."

[PrezIke]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/02/manuel-pellegrini-greg-dyke-manchester-city-academy

I know I read many here wanting us to promote youth, and give them a chance...and I am about that as well, but I'm with Pellegrini that it is a risky game for big clubs to play. Home fans tend to overrate their own youth.

Barker, Denayer, Lopes, Pozo, Ambrose, etc. could turn out to be good players, but they could also wind up being Darius Vassell or Solomon Kalou...or worse.

Regularly United is ragged upon for their overuse of English players who really are just not good enough. Arguably that ended up hindering their ability to remain as strong as they were.

I know of those listed only Barker is English, but while I stayed out of that original conversation due to concerns I might sound like a complaining outsider, I feel Dyke has really lost the plot, or is at least out of touch with some developing views about "borders" that the Premier League has exemplified, and is catering to xenophobic attitudes that are reportedly quite high in the UK and across the continent right now.

The sport is globalised, and the Premier League has benefited.

I guess since I'm not English I don't have as much motivation to want to see English players come through the system, although I actually do support England when I watch them against most opponents and wish them to do well generally, but the Premier League is a privately run business, not a national propaganda machine.

Anyway, that was a bit disjointed perhaps, but I guess the real point is if you want to be the best you cannot limit your options. As City supporters we are going to see your club struggle further to compete with acquiring the limited number of English players that may turn out to to be class, some of whom will not anyway if Dyke and the FA has its way.

I like the idea of us developing our own talent, a lot, but we have to also balance that with the reality that some of them are just not going to turn out as we may hope. Through that we have to use the transfer market wisely, and that sometimes means putting some young players in a position where they will have to prove themselves at a lower level, on loan and in training. Clubs can make mistakes as well (i.e. Pogba, DeBruyne), but that's sport, no?

Btw, to address what are legitimate concerns about balance in the Premier League some form of salary cap could be effective as it is in some American sports. the NBA is perhaps the best at this, as the cap is "soft" not "hard" (you can go over it if you wish, but will pay heavy penalties as a result). Of course, I doubt you would see the same in La Liga so that could end up hurting English clubs even more.

No they couldn't end up being Darius Vassell, the centre halves are better footballers than him.

Thre is a chance none of them will make it & there is a chance most of them will make it.

Imo, a decent manager would get some players through, starting next season with people like Denayer playing regularly & the likes of Barker, Angelino etc getting subs' jobs & an occasional game here & there, leading to them becoming full squad players the following season.

If Ferguson was in charge, most of these kids would get full games for City next season & many would be regulars in the squad the following season, then the ones who turned out to be just place fillers would be sold to Hull.

I have absolutely no doubt that would happen with these kids, if Sir Bacon was in charge.

If the Count can't do the same next season, he should fuck off.

There is indeed a chance those players will make it, but I do recall Vassell being somewhat well touted when he was young, and he did get quite a few caps for England until his potential fizzled out with age, and his attributes became less valuable.

It seems to me Denayer, in particular, has the greatest chance of playing somewhat regularly for the team next season, and overall I remain hopeful for the others as well.

I agree that Pellegrini should give at least some of these players time with the first team next season, and I am gathering that is part of the plan going forward. Yet, it may end up being only 1 or 2 of these that get some chances next season.

We shall see, but a key difference between what Ferguson was able to do vs what Premier managers do now was be able to hoard much of the top talent from the UK whilst dealing with far less competition across the Premier League than exists today. As a result he could afford to slot in young players in early round cup matches/lower league opposition, and against clubs at the bottom of the table. Now, the bottom half teams are stronger, the pressure to win almost any kind of trophy is higher to promote clubs' reputations, and the gap between the top table clubs, of which there are quite a few more than back then, is less. Therefore competition is then quite fierce for the top 3-4 Champions League spots that those clubs will not want to risk losing games due to inexperienced/less proven players getting time on the pitch to develop.

The surge of global money into England means lower clubs have more money to spend, so they can buy better players (or overpay) and FFP also makes it nearly impossible for clubs like us to more easily maintain the gap between them via spending (how we got where we are) while struggling to keep up with United's ability to spend beyond their means due to the club's other revenue sources and their worldwide popularity.

That's where the youth development piece is vital, and why it's great we are focused on it, but it has to also involve good use of the transfer market, clearly, and to be careful about overuse of young players that could risk dropping us below our rivals.

I realise that can be frustrating in terms of the effect on player development, but that is the reality of a league with the kind of money now involved and the change in landscape across the Premier League, and those Championship clubs fighting to get into the Premiership as well.

[Ted Hughes]

There's no reason we can't sign players & still bring through the kids as well over the next few seasons. The squad is set up perfectly to do that, with several players reaching the age where they should move on in the next couple of seasons & also us having no club trained players except Boyata. There will be times where we could use them.

We could have used one or even two 2nd half v West Brom for instance.

[Beefymcfc]

Holistic!

[twosips]

I don't quite buy into the idea that it's this hugely horrific risk that could damage the club catastrophically if we put an EDS player on the bench each game and bring them on when we're cruising 3-0 with half hour left at home. Or playing one or two amongst several senior players against a league one club in the cups or sumat. Rubbish. It'd be fine and it's just cowardice and self preservation.

[Saul Goodman]

http://www.espnfc.us/story/2377976/yaya-toure-to-inter-milan-from-manchester-city-unlikely-due-to-asking-price-marco-fassone

Fassone told Tuttosport: "Who doesn't dream of having a player like him? Toure would give our midfield line something that we are lacking. But his wages and City's asking price might be a big obstacle."

I thought Thorir bought Inter and injected all this cash? Now everything about Inter and Yaya talk about them not being able to afford him and possibly even having to sell Icardi and/or Kovacic...Its not like theyre gonna have to pay over 20m for Yaya.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I don't quite buy into the idea that it's this hugely horrific risk that could damage the club catastrophically if we put an EDS player on the bench each game and bring them on when we're cruising 3-0 with half hour left at home. Or playing one or two amongst several senior players against a league one club in the cups or sumat. Rubbish. It'd be fine and it's just cowardice and self preservation.

Spot on chum.

[nottsblue]

I don't quite buy into the idea that it's this hugely horrific risk that could damage the club catastrophically if we put an EDS player on the bench each game and bring them on when we're cruising 3-0 with half hour left at home. Or playing one or two amongst several senior players against a league one club in the cups or sumat. Rubbish. It'd be fine and it's just cowardice and self preservation.

Spot on chum.

I'd add to that by thinking a couple of them could slot into the first team. Not at the same time but any one of Denayer, Barker, Angelino or Cole even could have comfortably played three or four games each from the start this season with absolutely no detriment to results gained so far.

Next season is a huge one as far as the Academy goes for me. We need a couple to breakthrough or questions will be asked by fans, the board in all likelihood and academy players themselves alike. This is a great opportunity for us, make no mistake. We want to be seen as a club that will give a player a chance. The likes of Sterling may otherwise think twice about coming to us. Or more importantly, the cream of world football aged 15/16.