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Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:39 pm

Next season....

If we fuck off some.of this crew, promote some youngsters, buy a crack player per Pellers definition, and change the manager.

I'd promote Patrick, sack the Count, promote some youth, sell some old tired, lazy cunts and let Paddy go balls out to get Pogba.

Roll on summer.

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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby iwasthere2012 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:11 pm

I'd go with all of that if the club chose to do it, but wouldn't be so certain of us winning the league next season.
I think we might have a couple of years as a rebuild. If we can secure top four this year and next while rebuilding , I'd settle for that.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:12 pm

If we keep the best bits of what we have, & blend in some new blood, we are better than all these cunts over here, by some margin. You could see that early on vs both Utd & Liverpool. They are nowhere near when we start playing. We can't sustain it anymore is the problem.

If we chuck everyone out, then we are behind where Chelsea were last season & possibly where Utd are this season. A bit if a refurb next year & a bit more the season after.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:38 pm

If we make paddy v manager this season or next I'm sending my cv in for when that falls apart.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:15 am

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:If we make paddy v manager this season or next I'm sending my cv in for when that falls apart.


Your CV which includes winning every fucking trophy on offer, you fat fuck?

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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby zabbadabbado » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:32 am

I agree.

I think Vieira moment could be right now.You either have it or you dont.Vieira is a respected figure.Our team could do with a new direction instilled right now.

I dont agree with all this bollocks it is a gamble.At the moment we are a Car crash in slow motion.We are now entering no room for error territory on the back of 6 defeats in 8 games,i mean seriously where is the gamble.There is more to gain than lose.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby guv111 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:23 am

Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Green & Blue » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:39 am

Paddy would be a major gamble but it's a gamble I'd be happy to see us take.I'm all for integrating some of the current youngsters into the squad and Vieira bringing through his own players from the eds would certainly be an exciting and fresh new approach for the club to take.It's been frustrating to see how reluctant both Pellegrini and Mancini have been to give youth a chance, it's especially strange when the club has been so focused on developing the academy.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby sheblue » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:58 am

prefer to see a good young (ish) manager brought in to commence a rebuilding programme. But it needs to be done gradually over the next several windows and a mix of youth coming through, if they are really good enough, it is no given certainty that they are.
Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win the league for several seasons.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby sheblue » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:00 am

guv111 wrote:Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.


Writing off top centre half's at 29 is a bit rash.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:21 am

sheblue wrote:
guv111 wrote:Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.


Writing off top centre half's at 29 is a bit rash.


I don't think its a case of writing him off, its more a case of taking the right economic decision for the club and stopping relying on sentiment. Sell him now whilst he has value, or wait another year or two and find this 'blip' isn't in fact a blip, it's a decline. If it is a decline (due to injuries??) we suffer in both performances and forfeit the 20/30m we could have had if we shipped him out in the summer.

At the moment, I would like to think that nothing is off the table for the club in terms of planning for our future
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:34 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
sheblue wrote:
guv111 wrote:Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.


Writing off top centre half's at 29 is a bit rash.


I don't think its a case of writing him off, its more a case of taking the right economic decision for the club and stopping relying on sentiment. Sell him now whilst he has value, or wait another year or two and find this 'blip' isn't in fact a blip, it's a decline. If it is a decline (due to injuries??) we suffer in both performances and forfeit the 20/30m we could have had if we shipped him out in the summer.

At the moment, I would like to think that nothing is off the table for the club in terms of planning for our future


And replace with who, at what cost ? How are we doing on replacing Lescott ? Have we reached £100 million yet ?
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:43 am

Kompany hasn't had a good season but the real worry I have about him are the rumours there are dressing room problems and he is part of them. I just can't buy into that and assuming he isn't I would 100% keep him for next season. He needs a good summer off and come back 100% fit and back to being the quality leader I think he is.

I think he should be paired with Mangala with the plan to make that our defensive partnership for the season. MDM can stay but but a squad back up player and nothing more.I would like Denayer to be the 3rd choice center back but maybe he should be looked at as the right back with Zaba going to number 2. (Maybe Zaba could confound me and get back to his best but I fear that won't happen)

A clear out of a bunch of others and some high quality replacements and I am sure we can win the league again but we also have to recognise the need to amend our way of playing. Our attacking style is still good enough ( when we do it at pace) but defensively we need to defend as a team much much better.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:33 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
sheblue wrote:
guv111 wrote:Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.


Writing off top centre half's at 29 is a bit rash.


I don't think its a case of writing him off, its more a case of taking the right economic decision for the club and stopping relying on sentiment. Sell him now whilst he has value, or wait another year or two and find this 'blip' isn't in fact a blip, it's a decline. If it is a decline (due to injuries??) we suffer in both performances and forfeit the 20/30m we could have had if we shipped him out in the summer.

At the moment, I would like to think that nothing is off the table for the club in terms of planning for our future


And replace with who, at what cost ? How are we doing on replacing Lescott ? Have we reached £100 million yet ?


Well herein lies the issue. Lets assume that Kompany's problem is fitness related and he is in decline

It seems to me that the club's approach to these problems in the last couple of years has been to bury their head in the sand, but when it comes to age problems don't go away, they get worse. So the club can keep him, with an adverse impact both on and off the pitch, or they can sell him and use the money wisely to sign a replacement.

The main issue with replacement is to scope out exactly what we would need. Are we trying to find a replacement for Captain Kompany of 2011, or the silent Kompany of 2015? The first is unrealistic, its almost impossible, the 2nd resembles a very average premier league defender who occasionally has noteworthy games. Somewhere in between is what is needed for us to give us consistency and stability in the defensive unit.

Selling him is a gamble, but these gambles are where management earn their money. I reckon sports scientists in the club should be able to spot a genuine decline if it exists, and will already be raising questions about his fitness. But eventually we will have to sign his replacement, I just advocate we do it when it's economically prudent given his downward trajectory in performances over the last 2/3 years.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby sheblue » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:39 am

Its very hard to see this current squad bouncing back next season and even putting up a proper challenge for the title. A big problem is that fresh blood is needed in so many areas. We need at least two defenders and two midfielders just for starters. Doing that and complying with FFP will make it very difficult. We should be looking at selling a few to get money for them while we can, if this squad lumbers on into next season then it will be way too late.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Nigels Tackle » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:46 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
sheblue wrote:
guv111 wrote:Compared with the likes of Dzeko, Yaya and Nasri - who deserve every bit of the criticism they get - Kompany gets a pretty easy ride. Maybe some believe he's having a blip after years of sterling service, but at 29 he looks to me to be well into decline. As captain, he makes astonishingly rash choices, having shortcomings exposed and being sent off regularly in important matches, and being at the heart of a flimsy, make-it-up-as-you-go defence.

As far as I'm concerned, Kompany is every bit as responsible for this disaster of a season as the names usually mentioned.


Writing off top centre half's at 29 is a bit rash.


I don't think its a case of writing him off, its more a case of taking the right economic decision for the club and stopping relying on sentiment. Sell him now whilst he has value, or wait another year or two and find this 'blip' isn't in fact a blip, it's a decline. If it is a decline (due to injuries??) we suffer in both performances and forfeit the 20/30m we could have had if we shipped him out in the summer.

At the moment, I would like to think that nothing is off the table for the club in terms of planning for our future


And replace with who, at what cost ? How are we doing on replacing Lescott ? Have we reached £100 million yet ?


Well herein lies the issue. Lets assume that Kompany's problem is fitness related and he is in decline

It seems to me that the club's approach to these problems in the last couple of years has been to bury their head in the sand, but when it comes to age problems don't go away, they get worse. So the club can keep him, with an adverse impact both on and off the pitch, or they can sell him and use the money wisely to sign a replacement.

The main issue with replacement is to scope out exactly what we would need. Are we trying to find a replacement for Captain Kompany of 2011, or the silent Kompany of 2015? The first is unrealistic, its almost impossible, the 2nd resembles a very average premier league defender who occasionally has noteworthy games. Somewhere in between is what is needed for us to give us consistency and stability in the defensive unit.

Selling him is a gamble, but these gambles are where management earn their money. I reckon sports scientists in the club should be able to spot a genuine decline if it exists, and will already be raising questions about his fitness. But eventually we will have to sign his replacement, I just advocate we do it when it's economically prudent given his downward trajectory in performances over the last 2/3 years.


and that is why the spafia should fuck off

there is also the lack of homegrown players issue to deal with this summer
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:08 am

I don't think we have much of a problem refurbishing the squad at all tbh. I'm more worried that we go too far with it & lose the best bits.

But Kompany I would expect to be still at the club as a veteran in 5 years, then working on the staff afterwards.
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Wooders » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:54 am

Here is my fantasy (probably will never happen) squad for next season
Aguero
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Bertrand Denayer Kompany Richards (yes MICAH Richards!)
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Subs: Hart Mangala Zaba Fernando Silva Lopes Bony
Rest of the team in reserve aside from:
Dzeko, Yaya, Nasri, Jovetic, Kolorov, Milner, Sagna, callebero, Negredo, Sinclair, Lampard, Navas who will all be heading for the door of I was in charge
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:57 am

Wooders wrote:Here is my fantasy (probably will never happen) squad for next season
Aguero
Reus Bale
Berkeley
Pogba fernandino
Bertrand Denayer Kompany Richards (yes MICAH Richards!)
Begovic
Subs: Hart Mangala Zaba Fernando Silva Lopes Bony
Rest of the team in reserve aside from:
Dzeko, Yaya, Nasri, Jovetic, Kolorov, Milner, Sagna, callebero, Negredo, Sinclair, Lampard, Navas who will all be heading for the door of I was in charge


It's an interesting point about Richards in light of Zabaleta's form. The gamble for next year is whether Zabba's form is due to the world cup, or a general decline. I just wonder whether a new manager, if appointed before Micah's contract ends, might be tempted to give him a chance?
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Re: I think we can still win the league....

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:58 am

DoomMerchant wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:If we make paddy v manager this season or next I'm sending my cv in for when that falls apart.


Your CV which includes winning every fucking trophy on offer, you fat fuck?

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As a manager Id happily put mine up there with his. That's the fucking point you Mong!
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