I think we can still win the league....

[sheblue]

Here is my fantasy (probably will never happen) squad for next season
Aguero
Reus Bale
Berkeley
Pogba fernandino
Bertrand Denayer Kompany Richards (yes MICAH Richards!)
Begovic
Subs: Hart Mangala Zaba Fernando Silva Lopes Bony
Rest of the team in reserve aside from:
Dzeko, Yaya, Nasri, Jovetic, Kolorov, Milner, Sagna, callebero, Negredo, Sinclair, Lampard, Navas who will all be heading for the door of I was in charge

That would cost about 200m and recoup about 40-50 tops. where does that leave FFP?
(think your being a bit hard on Navas there, i would keep him, there are worse than him).

[lets all have a disco]

My dream team for next season would be.


Hart
Clyne
Komps
Mangala
Clichy

Barkley
Ferna
Reus
Pogba
Silva

Sergio

Let Pep organise them.

[iwasthere2012]

Here is my fantasy (probably will never happen) squad for next season
Aguero
Reus Bale
Berkeley
Pogba fernandino
Bertrand Denayer Kompany Richards (yes MICAH Richards!)
Begovic
Subs: Hart Mangala Zaba Fernando Silva Lopes Bony
Rest of the team in reserve aside from:
Dzeko, Yaya, Nasri, Jovetic, Kolorov, Milner, Sagna, callebero, Negredo, Sinclair, Lampard, Navas who will all be heading for the door of I was in charge

That would cost about 200m and recoup about 40-50 tops. where does that leave FFP?
(think your being a bit hard on Navas there, i would keep him, there are worse than him).

I agree with Sheblue. Keep Navas. I agree about the rest of them, but we couldn't afford to buy in everyone you mention. If we got Pogba and Reus I'd be delighted but doubt it will happen.
Personally, although I've seen only a few games, I'd bring Maffeo and Angelino into the squad with Denayer recalled and Lopes. Don't forget Iheanacho up front. I'd like to see them get regular game time. Perhaps Gunn could be promoted as back up keeper. I also think we need better than Joe Hart, but I don't see it as a priority next year.
If we sold the lot you have mentioned and got in Pogba, Reus/Isco, and maybe have change for one other, I think I'd be happy to see Vieira or Pellegrini, have a run with them.

[FA cup winners 2006]

Some big questions need to asked and answered this summer, one of the biggest should be what to do with Yaya. Sell or keep? if we keep him there is no way he can play in a midfield 2/3 anymore, he gets bypassed when we dont have the ball and he is not quick enough closing down free players making us to easy to be played through. Also, if we keep him i doubt he will be happy with a substitute role in the squad. So that means moving him up closer to Aguero or into the back line. Moving him forward seems the most logical step but i cant see him and Silva fitting. Silva is just not clinical enough in front of goal and probably needs to play deeper. There is no way we could move Yaya back as a 2 man CB partnership as he wont have the pace to play a high line but he could play a roving sweeper role and be able to come out with the ball and join the midfield.

I would like to see a complete formation and tactic change next year. We need to focus more on winning the ball back by tightly marking opposing players. We only seem to move towards them when they have been passed the ball and they always have enough time to control the ball, turn, look up and pass the ball onto another free teammate. With the formation below Zabaleta and the LB can pull in closer to Fernandinho, Yaya can play just in front of the back 2 without the need to track midfield runners, Silva can track back, Pedro and Reus can fall back to the wings and Sergio can relax or chase the ball if in the opposing half. Going forward Yaya can push out and be the base of the midfield, Fernandinho can provide the runs from midfield, Silva can control the play higher up the pitch without the pressure of getting goals as he will have 3 forwards ahead of him and fernandinho running passed him with the full backs on the wings. Yaya can still make his odd lung bursting run and then fall back to the backline for a bit without the need to worry about tracking midfield runners or marking a striker.

The easiest option would be to sell Yaya and buy someone like Pogba, but i think we can get a couple of years out of Yaya in a different way and then be ready to promote someone from the youth set up

...........................................Hart

...........Kompany................Yaya...............Mangala

Zabaleta......................Fernandinho....................Clichy/Kolorov/Angelino

..........................................Silva

...........Pedro...................Aguero..............Reus

[Im_Spartacus]

^ I can't work out what the fuck that formation's supposed to be, but shouldn't silva have pressure on him to score goals? He's an attacking central midfielder FFS!

Yet another fucking free pass for mediocrity!

We have WORLD CLASS talent in our midfield who will put him in positions to score if he makes the runs, and I don't see why there should be any less expectation on Silva to contribute to the goal tally, which he could achieve simply by fucking shooting sometimes rather than passing that once too often.

We need to have high expectations, not keep giving them free passes for the bits of the game they choose not to engage with

[Ted Hughes]

We need players who are both creative & hard working & a selection of goalscorers. We need a plan B capable player who can deliver a dangerous ball both from open play & set pieces.

We have an excellent core which those players can be added to & (hopefully) some kids, no matter how much shit is being given out now, we still have a lot of really high quality players. If we get those kind of athletic, creative players in, then we should also be able to use different formations; having midfielders who will actually try to score we are less reliant on two strikers.

If we are not going to buy athletes then we need to abandon the pressing game, which then is at odds with the whole rest of the club. These current players cannot press. They won't do it.

[blues2win]

Your last para sums things up nicely. That's been Pellegrini's downfall. He wants to play a high line and press press press when we haven't got the ball. He's expecting the likes of Yaya Silva Nasri Dzeko to play like that and it's alien to them. They'll do it in fits and starts but not consistently over 90 minutes match after match. I remember the Cup game against Chelsea last season and we seemed to play as near as dammit the way he wanted but we can't sustain it, certainly not this season. The logical consequence is shifting on the refuseniks or at least some of them. Like Doomie I'd move heaven and earth for Pogba who certainly is dynamic technically skilful and can absolutely play the pressing game. The difficult question is what to do about the defence. Do we assume that Zaba and Vinny can't play as poorly next season and give Mangala a one season pass because he was thrown into a dysfunctional defence or do we need to make major changes? Do we assume that a better balanced midfield is part of the reason for our defensive vulnerabilities this season? If so the priority has to be to reshape it.

[FA cup winners 2006]

^ I can't work out what the fuck that formation's supposed to be, but shouldn't silva have pressure on him to score goals? He's an attacking central midfielder FFS!

Yet another fucking free pass for mediocrity!

We have WORLD CLASS talent in our midfield who will put him in positions to score if he makes the runs, and I don't see why there should be any less expectation on Silva to contribute to the goal tally, which he could achieve simply by fucking shooting sometimes rather than passing that once too often.

We need to have high expectations, not keep giving them free passes for the bits of the game they choose not to engage with

1st of all, I suppose its not a set/rigid formation. Its 4 forwards and positioning everyone so that we can win the ball back quickly, whilst trying to keep yaya in the team

2nd, although silva has started to improve on his goalscoring and attempts, it is not his 1st instinct. His 1st instinct is to look for the player in space and he is one of the best in the world at this. When we play Silva with Aguero up front on his own, the other teams know that when silva has the ball he will be looking for the pass and sergio is double marked. My point was not to have a complete squad overhaul and play silva where he will be most dangerous, at the base of a front 4, with reduced goal scoring responsibilities

[guv111]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

[DoomMerchant]

If we make paddy v manager this season or next I'm sending my cv in for when that falls apart.

Your CV which includes winning every fucking trophy on offer, you fat fuck?

Cheers

As a manager Id happily put mine up there with his. That's the fucking point you Mong!

You seem about as dumb as a doornail right about now.

You're the Sam Allardyce of MCF.net.

Congrats Fat Lee.

Cheers

[Ted Hughes]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

[Hazy2]

Odd season. Our problems are very real and accelerated by, this group of characters, who are needed to get CL, they are also ensuring we can replace them. Setting up ther own exit, not sure they are gonna love that !

How the fuckl do we get to sign replacements if we have no CL. Reus, Pogba just for exampl are not coming to a club not in CL. This season if we finished 5th is setting us back 2/3 years, as the better characters will all be closer to 30 when we get back God forbid the dippers do not catch us. British Quota has been badly handled and will cost an arm and a leg, clubs know that and will demand mad money !

I can see no reason why he allowed Micah to go as he was know worse than any of the other useless fuckers at F.B. We only have 23 players FFS . Milner situation, another interesting side issue. The return on a Friday night to get knocked out of the cup, mess all season dropping Jovetic from CL with extensions for Nasri, Kolarov, bizarre decisions and nothing in return. It has been mental considering we had IMO the league in our sights.

[guv111]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

On a more positive note (and I do have them sometimes), there is much to look forward to this summer. Really looking forward to seeing who we can bring in for next season, and I'm equally excited at the prospect of us offloading the dead wood. Could be there will be a couple of surprises heading out of the door, and as long as none of those are Silva and Aguero I won't be shedding many tears.

[Hazy2]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

On a more positive note (and I do have them sometimes), there is much to look forward to this summer. Really looking forward to seeing who we can bring in for next season, and I'm equally excited at the prospect of us offloading the dead wood. Could be there will be a couple of surprises heading out of the door, and as long as none of those are Silva and Aguero I won't be shedding many tears.

We have piss poor way of losing, that is the problem, lack of effort is evident, lacking fight is clear, no ownership of roles. The constant changes, is this down to the mangager seeing a bunch of lazy cunts all week ! Two manager who win the league cannot be this shite the following season. Without CL chances are we are stuck with 4 yr contracted wankers who if they could have been arsed would be on for a treble of league wins, we have handed titles to the scum and the chelsea cunt.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

On a more positive note (and I do have them sometimes), there is much to look forward to this summer. Really looking forward to seeing who we can bring in for next season, and I'm equally excited at the prospect of us offloading the dead wood. Could be there will be a couple of surprises heading out of the door, and as long as none of those are Silva and Aguero I won't be shedding many tears.

Sometimes the players you think are the problem, aren't actually the problem at all & there are other factors, but it would surprise me, if the faces who leave are not the expected ones.

Of course if a new manager comes in, then all of them could stay. He might think he can get them playing & he might be right. Then we win it again & they holiday again the year after.

[DoomMerchant]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

Not winning the league <> sliding into 5th on the back of some of the most anemic performances since the takeover.

Cheers

[Ted Hughes]

Just to mention; Micah Richards. He got a mention somewhere & I can't see it easily on my phone. If there's a new manager next season have a word with him & Milner (poss reason Milner won't sign; doesn't know who the manager will be?). If Micah signed; Zaba, Richards, Denayer, Maffeo, cover for right back as well as cb. Sagna goes, frees up squad spot for overseas player.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought that the whole point of having this fantastic campus and layers of scientific excellence at City was that it would breed sustained success. That a number of lazy, permanently dissatisfied players have been allowed to stop the team in its tracks must raise questions about what some people actually do at the club.

Surely the bad eggs should have been sniffed out at least one summer ago and shown the door. Instead, we have people who play week in, week out who plainly can't be bothered or are just generally substandard. That is not how clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have built sustained success. In our rush to join the elite, we seem to have recruited some seriously inept people in positions of power and influence - and not just on the pitch.

I don't imagine people are especially looking for bad eggs when you've just won the league, there is a World Cup on & UEFA are about to shit on you.

As for 'sustained success' that's exactly what we have had. Real Madrid & Barca don't win the league every year either. In fact recently they managed to come 2nd & 3rd in a two horse race.

It's one thing being pissed off about this season, but it's starting to get ridiculous when people start moaning about us'only' winning two titles

I've said before; people need to get used to the FACT that we aren't going to win the title every year. That's how it is going to be, whoever the manager, chairman or DOF. That isn't failure, it's reality..

Not winning the league <> sliding into 5th on the back of some of the most anemic performances since the takeover.

Cheers

Losing to a City team containing Robbie Fowler & John Macken or twice in a season to one with Nedum Onuoha in defence, with Vassell & Benjani scoring.

Shit happens during periods of 'sustained success'. You rebuild & come back & win some more.

[Wooders]

Just to mention; Micah Richards. He got a mention somewhere & I can't see it easily on my phone. If there's a new manager next season have a word with him & Milner (poss reason Milner won't sign; doesn't know who the manager will be?). If Micah signed; Zaba, Richards, Denayer, Maffeo, cover for right back as well as cb. Sagna goes, frees up squad spot for overseas player.

I put him in my team for next season - I think he's a must keep, especially as it's a given that Milner is going.

As for the 150 million outlay vs ffp - we've spent 80 odd with restrictions on spending in place - I would think we can afford another 70 even with ffp

[sheblue]

Just to mention; Micah Richards. He got a mention somewhere & I can't see it easily on my phone. If there's a new manager next season have a word with him & Milner (poss reason Milner won't sign; doesn't know who the manager will be?). If Micah signed; Zaba, Richards, Denayer, Maffeo, cover for right back as well as cb. Sagna goes, frees up squad spot for overseas player.

I put him in my team for next season - I think he's a must keep, especially as it's a given that Milner is going.

As for the 150 million outlay vs ffp - we've spent 80 odd with restrictions on spending in place - I would think we can afford another 70 even with ffp

How is he doing in italy? read somewhere that he didnt play a lot of games.