Goalkeepers

[MilnersJaw]

people keep mention harts distribution but he has many more poor qualities as well. His decision making is awful, does not know when to come or stay in his net, rushes out, constantly doing silly things, falling on his arse, etc.

people say degayer has shots aimed directly at him which makes him appear better than he is, fair enough. However, his decision making of when to move is excellent.

What over top keepers, push the ball as much as hart... Unfortunately we're probably stuck with him given ffp and home grown bollocks.

[Mase]

people keep mention harts distribution but he has many more poor qualities as well. His decision making is awful, does not know when to come or stay in his net, rushes out, constantly doing silly things, falling on his arse, etc.

people say degayer has shots aimed directly at him which makes him appear better than he is, fair enough. However, his decision making of when to move is excellent.

What over top keepers, push the ball as much as hart... Unfortunately we're probably stuck with him given ffp and home grown bollocks.

I watching the rags match yesterday and every time they had a corner the Chelsea keeper was looking to come out and catch it. Hart, 9/10 will look to punch it, even sometimes when it is easier to catch it. It just invites more pressure on us doing that.
I'm not sure if he's been told to punch it rather than catch it?

All in all though I don't see who is available that would improve on Hart so I'd stick with him until maybe this Gunn kid is ready.

[Moonchesteri]

people keep mention harts distribution but he has many more poor qualities as well. His decision making is awful, does not know when to come or stay in his net, rushes out, constantly doing silly things, falling on his arse, etc.

people say degayer has shots aimed directly at him which makes him appear better than he is, fair enough. However, his decision making of when to move is excellent.

What over top keepers, push the ball as much as hart... Unfortunately we're probably stuck with him given ffp and home grown bollocks.

We have threads upon threads about Hart's qualities, and again criticism but no replacement mentioned.
Thank you for your opinion but this is basically the opposite of what I was looking for.

Has anyone considered how shit things could be for us? Imagine the moaning if we had likes of Ospina between the sticks?

[Blue In Bolton]

There has been previous comment on this thread about shots being hit straight at De Gea. What annoyed me (apart from the fact that they were both offside!!) was the ball went through Joe for the second and third goals last week and this is not the first time it has happened.

[MilnersJaw]

There has been previous comment on this thread about shots being hit straight at De Gea. What annoyed me (apart from the fact that they were both offside!!) was the ball went through Joe for the second and third goals last week and this is not the first time it has happened.

Dunno. Op was asking for hart replacements but doesn't want to discuss hart. And yeah them shots were straight at him.

[Moonchesteri]

Exactly mate. This is a thread for Hart's possible replacements & other goalkeepers in general. Who is your choice?

[Blue In Bolton]

There has been previous comment on this thread about shots being hit straight at De Gea. What annoyed me (apart from the fact that they were both offside!!) was the ball went through Joe for the second and third goals last week and this is not the first time it has happened.

Dunno. Op was asking for hart replacements but doesn't want to discuss hart. And yeah them shots were straight at him.

My apologies for going off at a tangent. My choice would be Cech and hope one of the young fellas could step up in a couple of years. Maybe even Reina with a view to the former. Obviously this would mean selling Joe.

[Im_Spartacus]

In getting rid of Hart, I'm not sure that we wouldn't just end up with a keeper who overall was just as good, but had different strengths/weaknesses. I suppose this kind sums up what I'm trying to say:

................................Hart.......Replacement
Shot Stopping............9.................7...........
Throwing....................7.................7...........
Kicking.......................6.................8...........
Total..........................22...............22.........

All very Football manager-esque I know and there's loads of potential attributes missing, but it illustrates the point that what you end up with is a goalkeeper who might let in the odd shot more than Hart, but by having considerably better distribution, helps the team keep possession more and therefore as a direct result teams get less chances against us and probably saves us a few goals a season.......but critically, probably results in us scoring a few extra each season too through the additional possession. So what I suppose I'm saying is that on balance we can take a hit on some of the 'for the cameras' stuff, in favour of a player who adds to what we have outfield.

So if the club did want to replace Hart, they would need to weight the attributes they were looking for on the basis that there isn't really anyone out there who stands out as noticeably better than Hart, but the aim really is to find one who is a better overall fit with our approach.

Thus you open up the market from only a handful in the world who can stop shots like Joe AND do the other things better (which we probably can't justify paying for at the moment), to a fair few keepers in the league who would fall into that category, which would open up the opportunity to home grown keepers like Ruddy, Butland etc (no idea if they were any good just throwing names around).

[twosips]

I guess what it boils down to is the fact that we need surgery in so many other areas of the pitch that swapping Hart is probably well down the list of things to do for the management. I just can't see it happening. It's like dealing with the wall that needs a lick of paint first when you've got three more that look on the verge of collapsing.

He'll be here for a couple of years yet at least I think and his biggest challenger will probably come from inside the club - Gunn two years from now.

[Im_Spartacus]

I guess what it boils down to is the fact that we need surgery in so many other areas of the pitch that swapping Hart is probably well down the list of things to do for the management. I just can't see it happening. It's like dealing with the wall that needs a lick of paint first when you've got three more that look on the verge of collapsing.

He'll be here for a couple of years yet at least I think and his biggest challenger will probably come from inside the club - Gunn two years from now.

I think that's roughly where we are, and unless something comes up with a player going out of contract its hard to see the club doing anything.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Caballero move on though, in which case someone like Cech to give Joe some real competition would be a great free transfer if he became available, and would be a great role model for youngsters like Gunn.

[twosips]

I'd be fine with that. Cech is great but I reckon he'll go somewhere to be number one. France or sumat?

[Cocacolajojo1]

I don't remember the stats and I don't remember exactly when this was, but it was probably pre mourinho and Hart was doing poorly and I looked up some stats. The only goalkeeper who was doing even poorer than Hart at that moment was Cech. I don't watch much football besides City nowadays but unless Cech has really improved since, it seems getting him to come here would be more name than player.

[PeterParker]

Actually, Hart had a better season this year, than last year, to be fair.

I really like Handanovic, a really good keeper, his reflexes are quite good looking how tall he is.

[dazby]

Firstly, I think it's very important we keep Joe. The next 5-8 years will be his prime. I'd just like to see him roll the ball short more.

For the purposes of the topic question I'd sound out Igor Akinfeev. He's spent a long time in Russia and if he's going to join the top echelon, he needs to go abroad. He is one year older than Joe, and also about to come into his prime. He has so much experience already and I'm sure he'd handle the pressure.

[Nick]

Adrian? Cech? Begovic? just for starters..

I don't think we will get rid of Hart, if only purely cos hes English.

We need a top number 2 to push him though.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Firstly, I think it's very important we keep Joe. The next 5-8 years will be his prime. I'd just like to see him roll the ball short more.

For the purposes of the topic question I'd sound out Igor Akinfeev. He's spent a long time in Russia and if he's going to join the top echelon, he needs to go abroad. He is one year older than Joe, and also about to come into his prime. He has so much experience already and I'm sure he'd handle the pressure.

I always feel he does this more when he's playing for England, rather than for City.

I could be wrong but that's the impression I always get.