Manager of your choice

[DoomMerchant]

That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.

Some players want to win trophies, some want other things, whatever they are (James Milner)

I like Milner for his work rate and Utility value, but yesterday's performance isn't the first time we've seen him just lack the finesse or technique or something, to be able to play the fast keep the ball moving kind of football that we are trying to do. I think he is moving on and good luck to him. He has served City well. But, I see him as one of the players that we could replace from within the club. I'm sure we have a suitable candidate in the youth set up that could offer as much enthusiasm and work rate and probably more technique.
If Pep does come, I say fine, he will probably draw a better choice of player during the summer transfer window. Would he use anyone from the academy any more than Pellegrini is likely to though? In his first season he would likely need to bed himself in first and have a look. Pellegrini is talking like he is starting to take heed of a few players from the youth, with the prospect of a few getting a chance.
I'm between two minds at the moment. I can see the benefit of taking Pep if we get the chance, not least because I think it would be a set back if he turns up in the Prem. the following year for one of our rivals. But I wouldn't mind Vieira being brought into the first team management fold with Pellers and see what kind of player that could attract. Hopefully either way we will see some real quality coming into the first team this summer and a mixture of some youth being infused into the squad to get us all excited at the prospect of next season.

I think Mourinho made it clear that he intended to play Loftus-Cheek, only once there was nothing to play for, because he was paid for results and had to select the best players to get those results. He then also said that he owed it to Manchester United not to play several kids, but to remain competetive whilst rotating the squad.

Whilst Pellegrini has never said anything similar, he's under the same pressures and you got to sympathise with the predicament.

i sympathize.

But, i think Milner and Lamps have been largely a waste of space for a while, so why not chance on it one someone who might show a little desire?

I get the number of youth matches lately might have prevented playing some kids this weekend, and hadn't really thought of that prior to someone posting it.

regardless, we all want results, and results start with desire. A bunch of spoiled cunts fannying around all spring like we saw surely could have used some shaking up, no?

cheers

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Living - Pep.

Dead - Clough.

Good choices, and Pellegrini wins hands down for the choice of Undead manager.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.

Some players want to win trophies, some want other things, whatever they are (James Milner)

I like Milner for his work rate and Utility value, but yesterday's performance isn't the first time we've seen him just lack the finesse or technique or something, to be able to play the fast keep the ball moving kind of football that we are trying to do. I think he is moving on and good luck to him. He has served City well. But, I see him as one of the players that we could replace from within the club. I'm sure we have a suitable candidate in the youth set up that could offer as much enthusiasm and work rate and probably more technique.
If Pep does come, I say fine, he will probably draw a better choice of player during the summer transfer window. Would he use anyone from the academy any more than Pellegrini is likely to though? In his first season he would likely need to bed himself in first and have a look. Pellegrini is talking like he is starting to take heed of a few players from the youth, with the prospect of a few getting a chance.
I'm between two minds at the moment. I can see the benefit of taking Pep if we get the chance, not least because I think it would be a set back if he turns up in the Prem. the following year for one of our rivals. But I wouldn't mind Vieira being brought into the first team management fold with Pellers and see what kind of player that could attract. Hopefully either way we will see some real quality coming into the first team this summer and a mixture of some youth being infused into the squad to get us all excited at the prospect of next season.

I think Mourinho made it clear that he intended to play Loftus-Cheek, only once there was nothing to play for, because he was paid for results and had to select the best players to get those results. He then also said that he owed it to Manchester United not to play several kids, but to remain competetive whilst rotating the squad.

Whilst Pellegrini has never said anything similar, he's under the same pressures and you got to sympathise with the predicament.

i sympathize.

But, i think Milner and Lamps have been largely a waste of space for a while, so why not chance on it one someone who might show a little desire?

I get the number of youth matches lately might have prevented playing some kids this weekend, and hadn't really thought of that prior to someone posting it.

regardless, we all want results, and results start with desire. A bunch of spoiled cunts fannying around all spring like we saw surely could have used some shaking up, no?

cheers

Desire is the one thing the pair of them don't lack. There's a lack of quality and finesse in Milner's game and Lampard is just fucked physically but there is no lack of desire from either.

[Green & Blue]

I'm happy with Pellegrini I don't think we need a change of manager.

If a change was to happen I'd like Guardiola or Antonio Conte but I just don't ever see this constant Guardiola link materialising.

What ever happened to the strong Alejandro Sabella rumours lol

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Frank Rijkaard.

[sheblue]

Living - Pep.

Dead - Clough.

Good choices, and Pellegrini wins hands down for the choice of Undead manager.

Funny though I wonder how clough would get on with the modern day footballer, not very well me thinks.....he would give a few of them a good clip around the ear..

[Plain Speaking]

I think the criticism of Pellegrini is overly harsh but there is some truth in the fact that now Chelsea are Champions, with Mourinho, they are a bigger draw than us, & the rags also fall into that catagory if they are willing to continue spending big. Not Arsenal.

I think those clubs will be in just as strong a positon if we bring in Klopp or Ancelotti though, & there is no guarantee either will improve on Pellegrini. I think Pellegrini's City, was better last season than Ancelotti's Chelsea was a fre seasons back; miles better. Klopp is untried in the Premier League & has just failed totally with a team full of players assembled to play in his style. Ours aren't.

Wenger seems to have tempered his attacking, possession based philosophy, for an awareness about the importance of a strong defence. MP has not grasped this nettle. Since Wenger has done this, Arsenal have had better results than Chelsea and are likely to achieve second place in the PL above us. I believe the attraction of Wenger as a manager is greater than that of MP. At the moment we risk being 4th in the list of attractive PL clubs. With say Pep we would probably be 2nd behind Chelsea?

Utd, if they are willing to spend shitloads of money, are the biggest draw imo, slightly, & that's purely because the media will help them by bullshitting them & dissing us. Then Chelsea because of the title+Mourinho, then City because we have won the title twice in 4 years & have considerably more money than Arsenal, even with ffp.

With Pep, we become the No 1 choice imo, as most players want to play that kind of football. Hence the rag media will attempt character assassination if it starts to become a reality.

BBC put a survey up tonight of fans' predicted team to win the PL next season. While it is obviously influenced by the number of supporters who follow those teams, it also gives an idea of the football fans' views on which clubs are rising and falling.
37% Predict Chelsea, 27% Arsenal, 19% United, 7% City, and 6% Liverpool.
I suspect if we had JM or PG the % of fans expecting us to win would be very different.

[Aggressive Walkling]

I'd be fine with Pellers this coming year followed by Pep under that often-floated scenario.

Klopp, for me, would be a fantastic choice if upper management truly were willing to back him through a major rebuild.

For me, Pep has always been "guy who got to manage Messi et al" more so than any intrinsic game-changer. I also wonder if that tika-taka style is what one would want to double-down on going forward. That whole 80% possession with two shots on target thing. Bayern looked a lot better, I thought, before he got there. But as such an enormous name, getting Pep would simultaneously be a statement of intent as well as an aid in recruiting.

That would be my major beef with keeping Pellers - I think he has been undermined in the eyes of the collective footballing world this year by the same crew of players that more or less fragged Mancini two years ago. I think that weakens him and makes us less attractive of a destination for the big name/names we need this summer.

[clippo22]

I want us to stick with pellers this year and see how he goes. If it's a poor season we move on and go for either Pep if he's available or whoever we think is the best man for the job. Even if that means spending big in terms of compensation and wages. A quality manager is just as important as a quality player for me. If we're willing to spend X amount on transfer fees and wages for someone like Pogba then we should be prepared to do it for the right manager. Although I get that some managers won't move for money etc

[DoomMerchant]

Desire is the one thing the pair of them don't lack. There's a lack of quality and finesse in Milner's game and Lampard is just fucked physically but there is no lack of desire from either.

Neither has a future at the club, birdbrain.

That's what it's about. And neither had made a significant contribution in a good long while. They're dead wood. Move on to someone we need to evaluate and inspect, etc. We've got more than enough talent to make that a reality.

Cheers

[Im_Spartacus]

I'd be fine with Pellers this coming year followed by Pep under that often-floated scenario.

Klopp, for me, would be a fantastic choice if upper management truly were willing to back him through a major rebuild.

For me, Pep has always been "guy who got to manage Messi et al" more so than any intrinsic game-changer.

Arguably, Klopp is exactly the same as you described Guardiola as being. He inherited a very strong defensive unit, and he did very well initially with a small group of players he brought in over a period of a few years (Lewandowski, Gundogan, Reus, Kagawa), but from 2012 onwards, as soon as he had to start bringing players in to replace the likes of Lewandowski and Goetze who by then were at the top of their game, it all started to fall apart as he couldn't come up with the answers, his signings simply didn't fit into the style that he had evolved, and he was unable to change his style.

I'd be very wary of Klopp until he had repeated his success elsewhere as I'm not convinced

[Ted Hughes]

What Guardiola does imo, which pretty much nobody else does, is innovation. For all the talk of a Barca style which ran through the club for 30 years, their teams were dogshit when they lost the ball. I was watching them in the early days of Pep & still thought they were dogshit without the ball. Suddenly they weren't & half the world suddenly wants to do the same, but can't. That's what Pep does.

The other night when he went man for man on Barca & people incredibly called it 'naive' (the guy who got them playing like that is naive at how to combat it ! ) it was fucking utterly and completely over the heads of the trogs, they lost the ability to analyse the game completely, so just dumped on it. But Bayern got the left back away, on the edge of Barca's box, with Lewandowski & Muller unmarked, 10 yards away, ready to put it away. He fell over. There's the tie, right there. That goes in, Barca shit it & Pep takes over. That's how close it really was & that was fucking genius. Instead, Barca whack a long ball forward, the fullback makes a pathetic aerial challenge, that wanker Boateng tries to play offside on his own & Suarez is clean through then we have 10 mins of chaos, so he has to change it.

His original tactic worked. Barca were confused. Unfortunately for him, his player fucked up just when it was about to be rubber stamped & that was that.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him do it with City, or Arsenal or rags a few year from now, & nail Barca to the floor.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Desire is the one thing the pair of them don't lack. There's a lack of quality and finesse in Milner's game and Lampard is just fucked physically but there is no lack of desire from either.

Neither has a future at the club, birdbrain.

That's what it's about. And neither had made a significant contribution in a good long while. They're dead wood. Move on to someone we need to evaluate and inspect, etc. We've got more than enough talent to make that a reality.

Cheers

Why didn't you just say that in the first place then gobshite?

[Fesan]

I think Pep could be great, but worried about the fact that he seems just as dominant a personality as Mancini, will he fit into a system where he does not 100% control everything? Cannot see our leadership giving him autonomy.

Both Pep and Ancelotti have done well wherever they've been, but are really different characters.

I feel our player group need a character like Pep, but our structure is more set up for a Ancelotti type. Glad im not the one who has to make a decision like this! (Assuming both are available and want to come).

[DoomMerchant]

Desire is the one thing the pair of them don't lack. There's a lack of quality and finesse in Milner's game and Lampard is just fucked physically but there is no lack of desire from either.

Neither has a future at the club, birdbrain.

That's what it's about. And neither had made a significant contribution in a good long while. They're dead wood. Move on to someone we need to evaluate and inspect, etc. We've got more than enough talent to make that a reality.

Cheers

Why didn't you just say that in the first place then gobshite?

I thought I was pretty clear about it.

Do u want to thumbwrestle?

Cheers

[MilnersJaw]

I would like to see Stewart Pearce return.

[DoomMerchant]

I would like to see Stewart Pearce return.

i'd like to see him return his cock in your mouth, retard.

Howzabout them apples?

cheers

[Dameerto]

What was it you said to another poster not along ago about getting personal and no need for it?

[Im_Spartacus]

I think Pep could be great, but worried about the fact that he seems just as dominant a personality as Mancini, will he fit into a system where he does not 100% control everything? Cannot see our leadership giving him autonomy.

Both Pep and Ancelotti have done well wherever they've been, but are really different characters.

I feel our player group need a character like Pep, but our structure is more set up for a Ancelotti type. Glad im not the one who has to make a decision like this! (Assuming both are available and want to come).

A long as the group are aligned with the direction of the manager, and respect the authority being wielded (eg the authority is legitimate and fair without being coercive or bullying), then people can still follow authoritarian leaders if they believe in the vision.

I think Mancini lost that alignment at some point when results went a bit iffy at the start of his last season. If he responded by going mental and that was perceived as unfair (perhaps by picking on some players), as soon as a few people stop believing in what you're doing that dissent spreads like wildfire particularly amongst a group where fine margins of performance count, a drop of 5-10% in performance due to motivation becomes disastrous and a vicious cycle starts.

Now the fear with Guardiola is that we've never seen that cycle where his team had a real bad run and players lost belief and I don't count the current one as they clearly have the foot off the gas coasting to the end of the league season.

So either he's a really great coach to hold it all together now for 6 years in top teams, or he's been very lucky that his group of players have always been so far superior to the rest, he gets away with that 10% performance drop when it comes

[Slim]

Does anyone here actually want Pellegrini sacked?

Forget "if we can get..." bollocks. Straight up tomorrow, no replacement in mind, do you really want him sacked?