Players out of position

[Original Dub]

I think that we should ALL move on from the Hughes era and embrace the new one. To try and discuss what Hughes would have done and how that would have gone down with supporters is totally pointless and just raises arguments. None of us know what team Hughes would have put out in view of the injuries and none of know what the last 3 results would have been.

Why cant we just discuss what we are seeing on the pitch rather than constantly trying to disect what our previous manager would have done

Because it's quite clear that the ones who were most vocal about Hughes going were 100 times more obssessed with the man than any of the so called "lickers".

The lickers were crazy for Hughes. Always rimming his anus.

Like you have been to Mancini since he took over?

"I'm convinced he's the man", "He's done more in three games than Hughes in all of his".

Cop the fuck on mate, you're a decent skin but you are the most fickle supporter on here and you typify the "new fan". I'm not saying you are a new fan, but lets just say it would appear that your "support" grew greatly when the money came in.

Everytime you debate with opposition fans you keep saying the "Sheikh is going to get you" and "we have more money than everyone".... show some class mate.

Please.

[edge275]

I think that we should ALL move on from the Hughes era and embrace the new one. To try and discuss what Hughes would have done and how that would have gone down with supporters is totally pointless and just raises arguments. None of us know what team Hughes would have put out in view of the injuries and none of know what the last 3 results would have been.

Why cant we just discuss what we are seeing on the pitch rather than constantly trying to disect what our previous manager would have done

Because it's quite clear that the ones who were most vocal about Hughes going were 100 times more obssessed with the man than any of the so called "lickers".

The lickers were crazy for Hughes. Always rimming his anus.

Like you have been to Mancini since he took over?

"I'm convinced he's the man", "He's done more in three games than Hughes in all of his".

Cop the fuck on mate, you're a decent skin but you are the most fickle supporter on here and you typify the "new fan". I'm not saying you are a new fan, but lets just say it would appear that your "support" grew greatly when the money came in.

Everytime you debate with opposition fans you keep saying the "Sheikh is going to get you" and "we have more money than everyone".... show some class mate.

Please.

Fickle? You said you wanted Hughes out one season depending on the results then changed your mind when he didn't meet them.

I on the other hand have wanted Hughes out on a consistent basis once I realised he was not good enough.

[edge275]

I think that we should ALL move on from the Hughes era and embrace the new one. To try and discuss what Hughes would have done and how that would have gone down with supporters is totally pointless and just raises arguments. None of us know what team Hughes would have put out in view of the injuries and none of know what the last 3 results would have been.

Why cant we just discuss what we are seeing on the pitch rather than constantly trying to disect what our previous manager would have done

Because it's quite clear that the ones who were most vocal about Hughes going were 100 times more obssessed with the man than any of the so called "lickers".

The lickers were crazy for Hughes. Always rimming his anus.

Haven't you got some 'facts' on our new manager and potential signings to be wikipediaing and then passing the info off as your own opinion?

How can facts be an opinion?

[ronk]

Petrov can cut in comfortably off either wing, Weiss looked lost on the left though.

Got to say we scraped it, but had Hughes picked Benjani and 46 defenders he would have been verbally axe murdered on here.

no one will ever be slaughtered for winning games for us. Problem is, Hughes would've delivered another Nottinhham Forest.

Jesus, why cant you just let it drop. You are talking utter bollox

I agree, even if everyone else was too busy ranting.

[dazby]

The Leslie obsessives are still going on. Geeze, give it a rest.

[Wonderwall]

The Leslie obsessives are still going on. Geeze, give it a rest.

Agreed Dazby, however, reading through this thread really goes to prove a lot of things that most of us knew, but certainly confirmed it for the others.

[Original Dub]

I think that we should ALL move on from the Hughes era and embrace the new one. To try and discuss what Hughes would have done and how that would have gone down with supporters is totally pointless and just raises arguments. None of us know what team Hughes would have put out in view of the injuries and none of know what the last 3 results would have been.

Why cant we just discuss what we are seeing on the pitch rather than constantly trying to disect what our previous manager would have done

Because it's quite clear that the ones who were most vocal about Hughes going were 100 times more obssessed with the man than any of the so called "lickers".

The lickers were crazy for Hughes. Always rimming his anus.

Like you have been to Mancini since he took over?

"I'm convinced he's the man", "He's done more in three games than Hughes in all of his".

Cop the fuck on mate, you're a decent skin but you are the most fickle supporter on here and you typify the "new fan". I'm not saying you are a new fan, but lets just say it would appear that your "support" grew greatly when the money came in.

Everytime you debate with opposition fans you keep saying the "Sheikh is going to get you" and "we have more money than everyone".... show some class mate.

Please.

Fickle? You said you wanted Hughes out one season depending on the results then changed your mind when he didn't meet them.

I on the other hand have wanted Hughes out on a consistent basis once I realised he was not good enough.

Yeah, that has been pointed out by you on a number of occassions, but I really don't look at that the same way you do. You think I shouldn't be allowed to change my mind and opt for another season? You don't think you're allowed change your mind over De Jong or Bellamy? What if I initially said I didn't want Mancini, do I then have to stick to that opinion or can I change it over time?

Because I didn't want Mancini in the first place.... I had reservations about how he'd perform in the premier league. But will you see me clogging the board up and stamping my feet spouting shit about Mancini on a weekly basis? No, I'll put my support fully behind the guy until its decided that he will no longer be the manager.

As for your second sentence - when you "realised he was not good enough" it was about a month or two into the season, which is a ridiculous amount of time to judge a manager on.

Now you're telling us all you're "convinced Mancini is the right man"... you said that AFTER TWO GAMES!!!

You can quote me on this -

"I may begin to think Mancini is the man for tha job as we go into March, but if we then fade off and he does no better than I think Hughes would have done, I could change my mind again"

Its not fickle, its opinion based on time given. What you do is guess-work and put your whole weight behind it, that's the difference.

The sheikh is gonna get you Edge. He is coming for everyone.


Mwahaha

[Wonderwall]

Yeah, that has been pointed out by you on a number of occassions, but I really don't look at that the same way you do. You think I shouldn't be allowed to change my mind and opt for another season? You don't think you're allowed change your mind over De Jong or Bellamy? What if I initially said I didn't want Mancini, do I then have to stick to that opinion or can I change it over time?

Because I didn't want Mancini in the first place.... I had reservations about how he'd perform in the premier league. But will you see me clogging the board up and stamping my feet spouting shit about Mancini on a weekly basis? No, I'll put my support fully behind the guy until its decided that he will no longer be the manager.

As for your second sentence - when you "realised he was not good enough" it was about a month or two into the season, which is a ridiculous amount of time to judge a manager on.

Now you're telling us all you're "convinced Mancini is the right man"... you said that AFTER TWO GAMES!!!

You can quote me on this -

"I may begin to think Mancini is the man for tha job as we go into March, but if we then fade off and he does no better than I think Hughes would have done, I could change my mind again"

Its not fickle, its opinion based on time given. What you do is guess-work and put your whole weight behind it, that's the difference.

The sheikh is gonna get you Edge. He is coming for everyone.


Mwahaha

I dont understand why you bother, you know its pointless and has no effect whatsoever,

[Mr Miyagi]

This was originally a good thread discussing tactics.... look where it has ended up (and the usual suspects involved)

[Original Dub]

This was originally a good thread discussing tactics.... look where it has ended up (and the usual suspects involved)

But at least you gave a great contribution didn't you?

Which was refreshing, because you normally just wade in and dive on the end of other's arguments. In fact the last time you waded in was to re-iterate the point that Tevez was another Vassell on the back of an argument I was having with Socrates.

If you want to have a go at me mate, instead of throwing sly digs in every debate I'm in, why don't you PM me?

Or else just keep your fucking mouth shut. Its quite simple.

[Mr Miyagi]

This was originally a good thread discussing tactics.... look where it has ended up (and the usual suspects involved)

But at least you gave a great contribution didn't you?

Which was refreshing, because you normally just wade in and dive on the end of other's arguments. In fact the last time you waded in was to re-iterate the point that Tevez was another Vassell on the back of an argument I was having with Socrates.

If you want to have a go at me mate, instead of throwing sly digs in every debate I'm in, why don't you PM me?

Or else just keep your fucking mouth shut. Its quite simple.

Sometimes... just sometimes.... it is not all about you...

[Original Dub]

This was originally a good thread discussing tactics.... look where it has ended up (and the usual suspects involved)

But at least you gave a great contribution didn't you?

Which was refreshing, because you normally just wade in and dive on the end of other's arguments. In fact the last time you waded in was to re-iterate the point that Tevez was another Vassell on the back of an argument I was having with Socrates.

If you want to have a go at me mate, instead of throwing sly digs in every debate I'm in, why don't you PM me?

Or else just keep your fucking mouth shut. Its quite simple.

Sometimes... just sometimes.... it is not all about you...

I didn't say it was all about me, but its quite clear you were referring to me.

It happens a fair bit with you and if there's something you want to bring up with me directly, PM me like I said. Because sometimes you can post good football stuff but you spend quite a lot of time posting one-liners that give out about the state of the board or the quality of the thread and that's pretty fucking ironic.

If its not your argument, stay out of it - especially if it disgusts you so much.

Now if you have something to add to the thread topic, fire away because from where I'm sitting, it looks like you've brought it deeper into the shit you were giving out about.

[AlpsMaster]

Obviously we can't argue with the results Mancini has delivered in his first three games and even as someone who did not want to see Hughes sacked I have to admit that I would have been surprised if we had not drawn at least one of those fixtures and not kepts three clean sheets under Hughes.

Mancini team selections have surprised me as well as his formations, with some players 'out of position' as far as many fans are concerned.

Clearly the factors which have influenced his selections and formations will include:
1. injuries;
2. resting key players for priority games / squad rotation;
3. giving himself an opportunity to assess as much of the squad as possible in competitive matches, not just the training ground; and
4. re-invigorating competition for places so that everyone has to earn their start for the new man.

I also wondered the other day ( and this is just pure speculation I freely admit and I am happy to be proved wrong about it ) whether there is also a small element of showing what he can achieve with the players we had before our attempts to ruin football with our 2009 spending spree? I just get the feeling he doesn't want anybody to be able to say we have only won something (when we do) just because he inherited £200m of stars from Hughes.

Sorry if this has strayed off topic but I didn't think it was worth another thread.

[13021J]

Obviously we can't argue with the results Mancini has delivered in his first three games and even as someone who did not want to see Hughes sacked I have to admit that I would have been surprised if we had not drawn at least one of those fixtures and not kepts three clean sheets under Hughes.

Mancini team selections have surprised me as well as his formations, with some players 'out of position' as far as many fans are concerned.

Clearly the factors which have influenced his selections and formations will include:
1. injuries;
2. resting key players for priority games / squad rotation;
3. giving himself an opportunity to assess as much of the squad as possible in competitive matches, not just the training ground; and
4. re-invigorating competition for places so that everyone has to earn their start for the new man.

I also wondered the other day ( and this is just pure speculation I freely admit and I am happy to be proved wrong about it ) whether there is also a small element of showing what he can achieve with the players we had before our attempts to ruin football with our 2009 spending spree? I just get the feeling he doesn't want anybody to be able to say we have only won something (when we do) just because he inherited £200m of stars from Hughes.

Sorry if this has strayed off topic but I didn't think it was worth another thread.

In terms of the squad when everybody is fit, I think Mancio has indicated that he is very happy with it, and he wouldn't be looking to sign too many players. On paper, You-Know-Who did a good job of signing proven talent in an attempt to get two decent players in each position.

We have however been hit with lots of injuries and with the ANC happening at the same time some (former) fringe players have been asked to play in positions that to us fans are unfamiliar. I think this will help Mancio form an opinion of the players before he really puts his stamp on the squad come the summer, assuming his "trajectory of results" is satisfactory of course.

[CityFanFromRome]

I also wondered the other day ( and this is just pure speculation I freely admit and I am happy to be proved wrong about it ) whether there is also a small element of showing what he can achieve with the players we had before our attempts to ruin football with our 2009 spending spree? I just get the feeling he doesn't want anybody to be able to say we have only won something (when we do) just because he inherited £200m of stars from Hughes.

Sorry if this has strayed off topic but I didn't think it was worth another thread.

I agree with the first part of your post but I want to comment on this. I think there might be a small of element of this, I'd say he might want to prove he doesn't need to buy other players now in January, not lots of them at least, more than wanting to prove he can deliver with the players we had before the spending spree.

But I wonder, if he delivered what was asked of him with the players Hughes bought and someone said he only won because he inherited those stars from Hughes, wouldn't this someone have to explain why then Hughes couldn't make the same players perform?

[AlpsMaster]

I also wondered the other day ( and this is just pure speculation I freely admit and I am happy to be proved wrong about it ) whether there is also a small element of showing what he can achieve with the players we had before our attempts to ruin football with our 2009 spending spree? I just get the feeling he doesn't want anybody to be able to say we have only won something (when we do) just because he inherited £200m of stars from Hughes.

Sorry if this has strayed off topic but I didn't think it was worth another thread.

I agree with the first part of your post but I want to comment on this. I think there might be a small of element of this, I'd say he might want to prove he doesn't need to buy other players now in January, not lots of them at least, more than wanting to prove he can deliver with the players we had before the spending spree.

But I wonder, if he delivered what was asked of him with the players Hughes bought and someone said he only won because he inherited those stars from Hughes, wouldn't this someone have to explain why then Hughes couldn't make the same players perform?

Good points but then some could say that many of Hughes's signing were performing and we'll never know what he would or would not have gone on to achieve will we?

This was only a passing thought - the main reasons 1-4 in my first post were the more serious comments about the thread.

[CityFanFromRome]

Good points but then some could say that many of Hughes's signing were performing and we'll never know what he would or would not have gone on to achieve will we?

This was only a passing thought - the main reasons 1-4 in my first post were the more serious comments about the thread.

Well if Hughes' signings were performing under him then how come we drew seven in a row (albeit not all shit draws, to be fair), drew with Bolton, heavily lost with Spurs and still conceded 3 with Sunderland? Adebayor lately, Tourè, Lescott, Barry to an extent weren't performing under Hughes, just to name few who are amongst those 200m spent, while Tourè and Barry looked much better in the first Mancini games, can't say yet on Lescott and Adebayor of course but we shall see.

Anyway, it risks to become a pointless debate, so I agree that we better leave this alone.

[Ted Hughes]

I thought we were playing some of the best football City have ever played, at least since I started watching them but it may be that a more defensive minded approach will bring success quicker. Who can say? Some of the vitriol directed at the last bloke was for doing exactly what this bloke is doing now but if there's going to be less attacks on the manager then it may be worth the sacking just for that. It was ruining my enjoyment of what I think is a great period in our history, not being able to switch on a radio or look on the net without someone slaughtering City's performance even when I'd enjoyed watching it.

Hopefully we'll reach the same standards of varied attacking creativity again in the near future but with a better defensive team unit.

[AlpsMaster]

I thought we were playing some of the best football City have ever played, at least since I started watching them but it may be that a more defensive minded approach will bring success quicker. Who can say? Some of the vitriol directed at the last bloke was for doing exactly what this bloke is doing now but if there's going to be less attacks on the manager then it may be worth the sacking just for that. It was ruining my enjoyment of what I think is a great period in our history, not being able to switch on a radio or look on the net without someone slaughtering City's performance even when I'd enjoyed watching it.

Hopefully we'll reach the same standards of varied attacking creativity again in the near future but with a better defensive team unit.

This I fully agree with.

[ronk]

I thought we were playing some of the best football City have ever played, at least since I started watching them but it may be that a more defensive minded approach will bring success quicker. Who can say? Some of the vitriol directed at the last bloke was for doing exactly what this bloke is doing now but if there's going to be less attacks on the manager then it may be worth the sacking just for that. It was ruining my enjoyment of what I think is a great period in our history, not being able to switch on a radio or look on the net without someone slaughtering City's performance even when I'd enjoyed watching it.

Hopefully we'll reach the same standards of varied attacking creativity again in the near future but with a better defensive team unit.

I agree. There was some good and bad with Hughes. At the end of the day he got sacked for the 2nd match he lost this season, one being a freak last second kick. We threw away a few wins with over-attacking football and beat serious opposition. He got us to a semi-final.

In spite of that maybe he deserved to go. But there's no point in being manic-depressive about it. Everything Hughes did was wrong, wildly wrong; everything Mancini does is pure sex. Waste of time, that attitude.