Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I can see the value of him for his experience and understanding of what Mancini would be looking for but it doesnt feel right to me. I haven't seen him much ( he hasn't played that much has he?) but my last memories had him as too slow and I hope he doesnt get in instead of the key midfielders we have. Spose it fits Mancini playing a more defensive game too which has worked so far.
mr_nool wrote:If he can do as good of a job as Hamann did under Sven, I'd have him in a heart beat. Holding midfielder is not a position where you necessarily need to be fast, especially not if you got loads of experience and can read the game well.
13021J wrote:I remember talking to a Gooner about Vieira and they reckoned that, as with quite a few African born players, their actual date of birth is a bit of a mystery. This Gooner reckoned that Vieira is actually now in his late to mid thirties and Wenger knew this and got rid. This would explain his tremendous loss of speed and ability after he left Arsenal.
Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
Beefymcfc wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
CORRECT!!! Can I just ask people who would see this as a good deal, 'How old is he, when was the last time he played a competitive game, how many games as he played this year and how would he make an immediate impact on our team?'.
Absolute ridiculous signing if it happens and would be taking us back to the Fowler/McManaman days. Are we not aspiring to lead the pack, not back it up?
Socrates wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
CORRECT!!! Can I just ask people who would see this as a good deal, 'How old is he, when was the last time he played a competitive game, how many games as he played this year and how would he make an immediate impact on our team?'.
Absolute ridiculous signing if it happens and would be taking us back to the Fowler/McManaman days. Are we not aspiring to lead the pack, not back it up?
Hmmmm, I'm thinking Mancini is looking for his "Mancini" as Sven did at Lazio...
Socrates wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
CORRECT!!! Can I just ask people who would see this as a good deal, 'How old is he, when was the last time he played a competitive game, how many games as he played this year and how would he make an immediate impact on our team?'.
Absolute ridiculous signing if it happens and would be taking us back to the Fowler/McManaman days. Are we not aspiring to lead the pack, not back it up?
Hmmmm, I'm thinking Mancini is looking for his "Mancini" as Sven did at Lazio...
Beefymcfc wrote:Socrates wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
CORRECT!!! Can I just ask people who would see this as a good deal, 'How old is he, when was the last time he played a competitive game, how many games as he played this year and how would he make an immediate impact on our team?'.
Absolute ridiculous signing if it happens and would be taking us back to the Fowler/McManaman days. Are we not aspiring to lead the pack, not back it up?
Hmmmm, I'm thinking Mancini is looking for his "Mancini" as Sven did at Lazio...
And very understandable mate and I don't have a real problem with a player like Vieira at his age. What I would have a problem with is any player of his age who has not played a competitve game in months and only a handful in the space of a year. Although he is a professional (and I mean of the heighest order imo), it takes a while for any player to get up to steam, to fit into the system and get to know the players and crowds around him. If he is short term, then it will take him that time to fit in. If he is long term, it's another year on his numbered years in a very demanding role.
Now, if he's looking at some sort of coaching role and a mentor for the up and coming, then yes, but as a player, definately not imo.
IanBishopsHaircut wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Socrates wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:I hope this is agent talk, or lazy journalism.... not keen on Vieira coming to the club at all, way past his sell by date.
CORRECT!!! Can I just ask people who would see this as a good deal, 'How old is he, when was the last time he played a competitive game, how many games as he played this year and how would he make an immediate impact on our team?'.
Absolute ridiculous signing if it happens and would be taking us back to the Fowler/McManaman days. Are we not aspiring to lead the pack, not back it up?
Hmmmm, I'm thinking Mancini is looking for his "Mancini" as Sven did at Lazio...
And very understandable mate and I don't have a real problem with a player like Vieira at his age. What I would have a problem with is any player of his age who has not played a competitve game in months and only a handful in the space of a year. Although he is a professional (and I mean of the heighest order imo), it takes a while for any player to get up to steam, to fit into the system and get to know the players and crowds around him. If he is short term, then it will take him that time to fit in. If he is long term, it's another year on his numbered years in a very demanding role.
Now, if he's looking at some sort of coaching role and a mentor for the up and coming, then yes, but as a player, definately not imo.
WTF are you waffling about now Beefy...it's a fucking loan deal...not like we are signing him up for a long time...six months max...and Bobby knows what he needs and how to go about it...if he thinks Patrick can do a job...then who are we to argue the toss
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