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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:16 pm

Dameerto wrote:
bigblue wrote:They're running out of excuses:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... n-contract

Fifa’s £1.35m payment to Michel Platini: there was no written contract
• President Sepp Blatter and Platini tell investigators payment agreed orally
• Fifa probes if payment breached ethics code covering ‘conflicts of interest’

They've got Blatter bang to rights from his and Platini's own statements - even in the unlikely event of them both telling the truth and there being a verbal contract agreed in 2002 it would have lapsed after five years under Swiss law (according to the article you quoted) meaning the payment made after this lapse was 'unfavourable to FIFA'. So that's Blatter out of the way when the FIFA committee finally gets round to a verdict, here's hoping something turns up to nail Platini as well.


Regardless whether FIFA were legally required to make the payment outwith the 5 years, the President has the right to say that it was morally appropriate to settle the debt, and could argue that FIFAs reputation as an employer would be tarnished if they didn't honour agreements.

Of course we all know that it's utter horse shit, but that would be my defence. This hinges on whether Blatter had the authority to make the agreement, as typically organisations would have a remuneration committee who would be required to approve compensation payments over and above the norm. Fifa's delegations of authority from the time will confirm whether or not he had the right to make the promise, and if not, that is what will nail him.

I reckon he will accept the rap for going above his authority, rather than the alternative, that it was a corrupt payment in return for a particular action in the year before.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby zuricity » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:21 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
bigblue wrote:They're running out of excuses:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... n-contract

Fifa’s £1.35m payment to Michel Platini: there was no written contract
• President Sepp Blatter and Platini tell investigators payment agreed orally
• Fifa probes if payment breached ethics code covering ‘conflicts of interest’

They've got Blatter bang to rights from his and Platini's own statements - even in the unlikely event of them both telling the truth and there being a verbal contract agreed in 2002 it would have lapsed after five years under Swiss law (according to the article you quoted) meaning the payment made after this lapse was 'unfavourable to FIFA'. So that's Blatter out of the way when the FIFA committee finally gets round to a verdict, here's hoping something turns up to nail Platini as well.


Regardless whether FIFA were legally required to make the payment outwith the 5 years, the President has the right to say that it was morally appropriate to settle the debt, and could argue that FIFAs reputation as an employer would be tarnished if they didn't honour agreements.

Of course we all know that it's utter horse shit, but that would be my defence. This hinges on whether Blatter had the authority to make the agreement, as typically organisations would have a remuneration committee who would be required to approve compensation payments over and above the norm. Fifa's delegations of authority from the time will confirm whether or not he had the right to make the promise, and if not, that is what will nail him.

I reckon he will accept the rap for going above his authority, rather than the alternative, that it was a corrupt payment in return for a particular action in the year before.



Well.... In Switzerland.

You can make provision for debt. If you know there are invoices to be paid. You hold the money back .

There isn't a time limit on this.

Now , if you use that money for something else....

Well basically ..you're fukced.

I guess what i am hinting at , is there are accounts opened for contingencies

However, if you have closed your accounts ( and Kanton Zürich is very particular about this) and the Kanton agrees the accounts are closed. It is not possible to retro anything. So basically, there is an out for them , but they are way too late, i suspect.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:29 pm

zuricity wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
bigblue wrote:They're running out of excuses:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... n-contract

Fifa’s £1.35m payment to Michel Platini: there was no written contract
• President Sepp Blatter and Platini tell investigators payment agreed orally
• Fifa probes if payment breached ethics code covering ‘conflicts of interest’

They've got Blatter bang to rights from his and Platini's own statements - even in the unlikely event of them both telling the truth and there being a verbal contract agreed in 2002 it would have lapsed after five years under Swiss law (according to the article you quoted) meaning the payment made after this lapse was 'unfavourable to FIFA'. So that's Blatter out of the way when the FIFA committee finally gets round to a verdict, here's hoping something turns up to nail Platini as well.


Regardless whether FIFA were legally required to make the payment outwith the 5 years, the President has the right to say that it was morally appropriate to settle the debt, and could argue that FIFAs reputation as an employer would be tarnished if they didn't honour agreements.

Of course we all know that it's utter horse shit, but that would be my defence. This hinges on whether Blatter had the authority to make the agreement, as typically organisations would have a remuneration committee who would be required to approve compensation payments over and above the norm. Fifa's delegations of authority from the time will confirm whether or not he had the right to make the promise, and if not, that is what will nail him.

I reckon he will accept the rap for going above his authority, rather than the alternative, that it was a corrupt payment in return for a particular action in the year before.



Well.... In Switzerland.

You can make provision for debt. If you know there are invoices to be paid. You hold the money back .

There isn't a time limit on this.

Now , if you use that money for something else....

Well basically ..you're fukced.


I assume no provision was made, firstly because no such agreement ever existed, and secondly because blatter saw little reason to put his future liabilities on the books as he acted with impunity with FIFAs money.

I don't know how corporate governance works in Switzerland, but I always thought that one of the reasons behind FIFA setting up in Zug, (aside from the tax breaks) was that the canton had rather lax laws on that front, which means that international accounting standards mean relatively zip? Besides, FIFA aren't technically a corporation, so the normal assumptions of corporate governance don't apply anyway, as they are technically a members club from what I recall of Andrew Jennings' book.

It certainly seems to be taking some unpicking, but fortunately it seems the authorities have th bit between their teeth now


Edit to say, I see your edit now, cheers for that, makes sense. Fingers crossed
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby zuricity » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:44 pm

Fifa’s £1.35m payment to Michel Platini: there was no written contract
• President Sepp Blatter and Platini tell investigators payment agreed orally
• Fifa probes if payment breached ethics code covering ‘conflicts of interest’
[/quote]
They've got Blatter bang to rights from his and Platini's own statements - even in the unlikely event of them both telling the truth and there being a verbal contract agreed in 2002 it would have lapsed after five years under Swiss law (according to the article you quoted) meaning the payment made after this lapse was 'unfavourable to FIFA'. So that's Blatter out of the way when the FIFA committee finally gets round to a verdict, here's hoping something turns up to nail Platini as well.[/quote]

Regardless whether FIFA were legally required to make the payment outwith the 5 years, the President has the right to say that it was morally appropriate to settle the debt, and could argue that FIFAs reputation as an employer would be tarnished if they didn't honour agreements.

Of course we all know that it's utter horse shit, but that would be my defence. This hinges on whether Blatter had the authority to make the agreement, as typically organisations would have a remuneration committee who would be required to approve compensation payments over and above the norm. Fifa's delegations of authority from the time will confirm whether or not he had the right to make the promise, and if not, that is what will nail him.

I reckon he will accept the rap for going above his authority, rather than the alternative, that it was a corrupt payment in return for a particular action in the year before.[/quote]


Well.... In Switzerland.

You can make provision for debt. If you know there are invoices to be paid. You hold the money back .

There isn't a time limit on this.

Now , if you use that money for something else....

Well basically ..you're fukced.[/quote]

I assume no provision was made, firstly because no such agreement ever existed, and secondly because blatter saw little reason to put his future liabilities on the books as he acted with impunity with FIFAs money.

I don't know how corporate governance works in Switzerland, but I always thought that one of the reasons behind FIFA setting up in Zug, (aside from the tax breaks) was that the canton had rather lax laws on that front, which means that international accounting standards mean relatively zip? Besides, FIFA aren't technically a corporation, so the normal assumptions of corporate governance don't apply anyway, as they are technically a members club from what I recall of Andrew Jennings' book.

It certainly seems to be taking some unpicking, but fortunately it seems the authorities have th bit between their teeth now


Edit to say, I see your edit now, cheers for that, makes sense. Fingers crossed[/quote]


Indeed and that is what i am hinting at.

For example, i injected some personal cash into my business over 5 years ago. I can take that cash out anytime. However, if joe bloggs gave me the money ( invested) i would have to say joe bloggs invested it. I cannot make up , six years later that it really was me ( or him either).

Similarly so , Sepp can't invent Invoices.

Well he may get away with it in some Kantons, Zug for example ( where Glencore, strangely enough are based) but it won't work in Züri and FIFA is Hq'd in Züri.

In a nushell. Sepp is Fcuked. Züri doesn't tolerate his 'mist'. It's touching cloth with Platini too, because this is about Züri not Vaud ( Platini lives up the hill in Nyon where Uefa are based).
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:00 pm

Quite simply, if Platini was owed money it would have had to be shown on the accounts at the time, as a creditor. If it wasn't recorded it means that he debt could not have been settled, regardless of time.

Unless, that is, you're a cheating manipulative bastard.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:06 pm

We don't have to stop at 20 reasons do we?
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:14 pm

If Platini comes through this and still holds any sort of position then where does it end.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Dameerto » Mon Oct 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dameerto wrote:
bigblue wrote:They're running out of excuses:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... n-contract

Fifa’s £1.35m payment to Michel Platini: there was no written contract
• President Sepp Blatter and Platini tell investigators payment agreed orally
• Fifa probes if payment breached ethics code covering ‘conflicts of interest’

They've got Blatter bang to rights from his and Platini's own statements - even in the unlikely event of them both telling the truth and there being a verbal contract agreed in 2002 it would have lapsed after five years under Swiss law (according to the article you quoted) meaning the payment made after this lapse was 'unfavourable to FIFA'. So that's Blatter out of the way when the FIFA committee finally gets round to a verdict, here's hoping something turns up to nail Platini as well.


Regardless whether FIFA were legally required to make the payment outwith the 5 years, the President has the right to say that it was morally appropriate to settle the debt, and could argue that FIFAs reputation as an employer would be tarnished if they didn't honour agreements.

Of course we all know that it's utter horse shit, but that would be my defence. This hinges on whether Blatter had the authority to make the agreement, as typically organisations would have a remuneration committee who would be required to approve compensation payments over and above the norm. Fifa's delegations of authority from the time will confirm whether or not he had the right to make the promise, and if not, that is what will nail him.

I reckon he will accept the rap for going above his authority, rather than the alternative, that it was a corrupt payment in return for a particular action in the year before.

And the ethics committee has the duty to say it was against FIFA's interests - which is the line they appear to be taking, along with the Swiss investigation. They have him by the balls and it is a formality. Blatter is gone. And I hope they extend his suspension for having the gall to appeal against it.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:14 pm

They're fucked.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby bigblue » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:33 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:They're fucked.


Yep. Apparently Platini/UEFA already told the FA that they had a written contract. oops

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... fa-payment
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby WhyAlwaysMe? » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:52 pm

Platini's £1.35 million payoff was actually a "loyalty" payment, rather than a "disloyalty" payment. Platini has stated on record that he was originally intending to vote for the USA, to host the World Cup 2022. When the World Cup vote was announced, in December, 2010, Platini had changed his vote to Qatar.

Mohamed Bin Hammam paid millions to the top officials, so they would vote for Qatar... He now has a lifetime ban from football. We might also assume that Platini was originally going to vote for Belgium-Netherlands, instead of Russia, in 2018. This was the first time that 2 separate World Cup events were voted for, at the same time... Or, sold to the highest bidders!

In February, 2011, just months after the World Cup vote was announced, Platini received his £1.35m fee from FIFA!
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:41 am

WhyAlwaysMe? wrote:Platini's £1.35 million payoff was actually a "loyalty" payment, rather than a "disloyalty" payment. Platini has stated on record that he was originally intending to vote for the USA, to host the World Cup 2022. When the World Cup vote was announced, in December, 2010, Platini had changed his vote to Qatar.

Mohamed Bin Hammam paid millions to the top officials, so they would vote for Qatar... He now has a lifetime ban from football. We might also assume that Platini was originally going to vote for Belgium-Netherlands, instead of Russia, in 2018. This was the first time that 2 separate World Cup events were voted for, at the same time... Or, sold to the highest bidders!

In February, 2011, just months after the World Cup vote was announced, Platini received his £1.35m fee from FIFA!


It's interesting that few of the articles are linking the world cup vote to Platini's payment, rather focusing on him 'dropping out' of the race to become FIFA president (which Platini seems to be denying he ever said he intended to stand). It does however seem to be a matter of public record that France were aligned with the US bid for 2022 at one point in time, and with Belgium/Holland for 2018 and that at some point this oddly changed.

Of course all evidence relating to the specific reason why he received the money is likely to be circumstantial unless Blatter sings, but it would seem more likely that it was linked to the world cup bid - blatter would have won the FIFA election even if Princess Di or Mother Teresa had been candidates, so I see the payment being linked to the FIFA election as being very very unlikely.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby blues2win » Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:30 am

The idea of a serious organisation agreeing to oral contracts by the President known only to himself and the other Party is laughable. FIFA did not need a football consultant so the reason given for the so called oral contract is simply not credible.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Hazy2 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:41 pm

blues2win wrote:The idea of a serious organisation agreeing to oral contracts by the President known only to himself and the other Party is laughable. FIFA did not need a football consultant so the reason given for the so called oral contract is simply not credible.



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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby rosbif cuisson 'bleu' » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:17 pm

did you google translate that?
platini, (to) go down in a Fifa submarine????????
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Hazy2 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 5:59 pm

rosbif cuisson 'bleu' wrote:did you google translate that?
platini, (to) go down in a Fifa submarine????????


Yes of course I did I don't speak German.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:00 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
rosbif cuisson 'bleu' wrote:did you google translate that?
platini, (to) go down in a Fifa submarine????????


Yes of course I did I don't speak German.

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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby iwasthere2012 » Tue Oct 13, 2015 6:50 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
rosbif cuisson 'bleu' wrote:did you google translate that?
platini, (to) go down in a Fifa submarine????????


Yes of course I did I don't speak German.

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No. A submarine.
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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:25 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Hazy2 wrote:
rosbif cuisson 'bleu' wrote:did you google translate that?
platini, (to) go down in a Fifa submarine????????


Yes of course I did I don't speak German.

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No. A submarine.

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Re: 20 Reasons Why Platini Should Resign

Postby WhyAlwaysMe? » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:05 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:It's interesting that few of the articles are linking the world cup vote to Platini's payment, rather focusing on him 'dropping out' of the race to become FIFA president (which Platini seems to be denying he ever said he intended to stand). It does however seem to be a matter of public record that France were aligned with the US bid for 2022 at one point in time, and with Belgium/Holland for 2018 and that at some point this oddly changed.

Of course all evidence relating to the specific reason why he received the money is likely to be circumstantial unless Blatter sings, but it would seem more likely that it was linked to the world cup bid - blatter would have won the FIFA election even if Princess Di or Mother Teresa had been candidates, so I see the payment being linked to the FIFA election as being very very unlikely.

Leaky Bladder & Plotini seemingly received their Qatari vote payoff in February, 2011, around the same time that they approved the World Cup 2022 move, from summer to winter! What coincidental timing, that as soon as Qatar was guaranteed the hosting in winter, the money magically was transferred to Plotini!

You asked why the media are not making these same accusations and it's only because they don't have the same legal proof, as they did for the other FIFA officials that have now been arrested, dismissed or banned.
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