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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:24 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:He is not my cup of tea at all - should never lead our line and shouldnt be ahead of Nacho imo.

Its easy to shake your head when a player scores 2 goals and he still gets grief ,but that doesnt mask his shortcomings imo.
The hold up play fucks us up when hes leading the line and also hes slow.....fuckign really,reallly slow....no point in breaking free with sterling if Bony is still offside from the previous breakaway ffs.

Nachos goal was a goal and was as cool as youlike....I want him in the team ahead of Bony next week against the Munchens.

Which Bony set up for him.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:57 am

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carl_feedthegoat wrote:He is not my cup of tea at all - should never lead our line and shouldnt be ahead of Nacho imo.

Its easy to shake your head when a player scores 2 goals and he still gets grief ,but that doesnt mask his shortcomings imo.
The hold up play fucks us up when hes leading the line and also hes slow.....fuckign really,reallly slow....no point in breaking free with sterling if Bony is still offside from the previous breakaway ffs.

Nachos goal was a goal and was as cool as youlike....I want him in the team ahead of Bony next week against the Munchens.

Which Bony set up for him.


I said hes not the person to lead the line mate , hes fine when hes playing alongside Aguero (or Nacho I suppose) but hes 100% not the guy to lead the line against top opposition.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:04 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
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carl_feedthegoat wrote:He is not my cup of tea at all - should never lead our line and shouldnt be ahead of Nacho imo.

Its easy to shake your head when a player scores 2 goals and he still gets grief ,but that doesnt mask his shortcomings imo.
The hold up play fucks us up when hes leading the line and also hes slow.....fuckign really,reallly slow....no point in breaking free with sterling if Bony is still offside from the previous breakaway ffs.

Nachos goal was a goal and was as cool as youlike....I want him in the team ahead of Bony next week against the Munchens.

Which Bony set up for him.


I said hes not the person to lead the line mate , hes fine when hes playing alongside Aguero (or Nacho I suppose) but hes 100% not the guy to lead the line against top opposition.


To be honest mate, I don't know if we can judge him on what he has done so far. It would be a bit unfair as he's not had a clear run, so for me the jury is still out. Therefore he gets the benefit of the doubt.

I think it largely depends on how those around him play with him. Like Navas, he is not the best player at the club but we look ok with him in the team. He has started twice and we beat West Brom handsomely and Bournemouth handsomely, which helps his cause, though not the very best of opposition as you infer. But sometimes the best XI players is not the best team.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:03 pm

His performance was great, his next game will be another level, let's see for me.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby PrezIke » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:02 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:The one thing I'd hold against Bony, is that I don't think that he is the type of player we need to win the CL under the current trends of high pressing and short passing play. The target man is too slow, to immobile and can't take part in the high pressing an entire game because of the weight he's carrying. Well Tevez is the exception but he always is. Barca's forward three is more like what you need nowadays. Big players have to be like Christiano Ronaldo for the time being, not like Zlatan Ibrahimovic. That can change of course but it doesn't seem like it will in the short term at least.


Was Dzeko really much better than he at fitting this mould?

MOTD showed how much Bony contributed and were praising his partnership with Sterling, as I was, and I am sure others. They were all drooling over his play. How can there be such discrepancy? This is not a disagreement about one play or a referee's decision this is about quality of performance. It does not make sense.

I'm still at a loss as to what the evidence is from yesterday as to why he was so poor. His pace getting to the pass that he flicked on to Sterling? Okay, but he made the play that led to the goal. Talk about nit picking. The quality of the opposition? Okay, but no one is saying he is our #1 striker. He's the backup. As they pointed to he gives us a completely different type of player instead of Kun. All this sounds like a personal grudge or something which is unfortunate, but it does not mean the debate needs to end.

carl and Doomie apparently want Nacho to play, but that's a lot to bank on someone who has just barely gotten first team football, and we are a top team that does not want to rely on such a move. Critics of the selection are also not perhaps considering the effects of dropping Bony already for Nacho on team morale and confidence in the manager. As a result, this just not going to happen at this point unless we start doing poorly with Bony for long enough while Kun is out. It's whinging when we full well know the change will not happen, nor would I suspect most top managers to do so either.

My main point is that if a striker is not scoring goals then what use are they if they don't do much else? That was the definition of Dzeko, and meanwhile this mythological striker that we could have other than Ieanacho is not easy to find in a world where such players come at a huge premium (see Martial's fee) as there are really not that many out there right now.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:04 pm

It's not even a struggle for me.

Nacho plays and we punish the Rags.
Bony plays and we will make heavy weather of a mediocre side.

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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby PrezIke » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:14 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:He is not my cup of tea at all - should never lead our line and shouldnt be ahead of Nacho imo.

Its easy to shake your head when a player scores 2 goals and he still gets grief ,but that doesnt mask his shortcomings imo.
The hold up play fucks us up when hes leading the line and also hes slow.....fuckign really,reallly slow....no point in breaking free with sterling if Bony is still offside from the previous breakaway ffs.

Nachos goal was a goal and was as cool as youlike....I want him in the team ahead of Bony next week against the Munchens.

Which Bony set up for him.


I said hes not the person to lead the line mate , hes fine when hes playing alongside Aguero (or Nacho I suppose) but hes 100% not the guy to lead the line against top opposition.


I disagree, mate. We have quite a few players who can put the ball in the back of the net in our starting eleven compared to most other clubs and rely on movement, passing and team cohesion to create goals, which is why I believe we can show he is more valuable than you are giving him credit for IMHO. We have the most players to have scored at least one goal in the Prem this season (someone posted this yesterday). This is not just a blip. It's about the players we have, and the style of play we utilise.

Bony can pick out a pass from deep, and if you notice yesterday on MOTD they spoke about how he does play deeper than Kun, which makes him a different kind of weapon, as we saw with the pass to Nacho for the disallowed goal, and one pass to get Sterling one on one with the keeper that he muffed.

His value in defence with his heading and strength is a positive that many other strikers do not offer. I recall him making a key clearance when we were under pressure at one point to the announcer's surprise. Dzeko helped with heading, but he was never committed to defence as Bony is, and would never make the passes or flick ons that Bony does.

As for his pace, if he passes the ball as he does he does not need to "lead the line" like Kun, because we have Sterling and ideally De Bruyne on the wings who are pretty much shadow strikers with how we play. We don't play a real 433, but it's not far from having 3 strikers with the players we prefer to start. If you remove Bony we still practically play with 2 strikers, or at least 2 attacking mids that are known for their ability to score.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:It's not even a struggle for me.

Nacho plays and we punish the Rags.
Bony plays and we will make heavy weather of a mediocre side.

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You're starting to sound Herbacious on this topic Doomie.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Original Dub » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:23 pm

Indeed.

Starting to get a bit silly now...
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:48 pm

Some madness going on in this thread. He was nothing short of ace yesterday.

He's a constant nuisance, picks up the ball in good areas and uses it well. He snatches at a few chances per game but he's always arriving for said chances.

His biggest crime is his not being Agüero. 99.9% of footballers would hang for that.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby mr_nool » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:53 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:Some madness going on in this thread. He was nothing short of ace yesterday.

He's a constant nuisance, picks up the ball in good areas and uses it well. He snatches at a few chances per game but he's always arriving for said chances.

His biggest crime is his not being Agüero. 99.9% of footballers would hang for that.


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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:06 pm

mr_nool wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:Some madness going on in this thread. He was nothing short of ace yesterday.

He's a constant nuisance, picks up the ball in good areas and uses it well. He snatches at a few chances per game but he's always arriving for said chances.

His biggest crime is his not being Agüero. 99.9% of footballers would hang for that.


If there only were 1000 footballer around.


I couldn't be arsed including the word 'professional' and/or six or seven more nines, as I felt the point being made was clear enough.

Obviously it was, or there'd have been no grounds for a smart-arsed reply!
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby mr_nool » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:10 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:Some madness going on in this thread. He was nothing short of ace yesterday.

He's a constant nuisance, picks up the ball in good areas and uses it well. He snatches at a few chances per game but he's always arriving for said chances.

His biggest crime is his not being Agüero. 99.9% of footballers would hang for that.


If there only were 1000 footballer around.


I couldn't be arsed including the word 'professional' and/or six or seven more nines, as I felt the point being made was clear enough.

Obviously it was, or there'd have been no grounds for a smart-arsed reply!


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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:16 pm

In truth, Bony probably isn't in the top 25 strikers in the world, but I don't think you need to be when you're getting service from De Bruyne, Silva, Kolarov, Nasri and Yaya. It's better to have a reliable forward with a good work-rate who does a job when called upon than someone with a slightly higher profile who expects to be in the 11 every week. Having players like that in the recent past has led to us playing two up-top for no good reason on too many occasions.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:31 pm

His goal v us was a good guide for what he has when game sharp.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Original Dub » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:52 pm

He's an excellent back up striker. Any suggestions for a better replacement when we move him on?

You know, someone that's willing to play as back up to Aguero?
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:15 pm

Original Dub wrote:He's an excellent back up striker. Any suggestions for a better replacement when we move him on?

You know, someone that's willing to play as back up to Aguero?


Jovetic he is some player based this 26 mins outstanding I kid you not.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Mase » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:21 pm

Original Dub wrote:He's an excellent back up striker. Any suggestions for a better replacement when we move him on?

You know, someone that's willing to play as back up to Aguero?


I would have said Falcao, but he's turd over here. Bony will do well imo.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby Dameerto » Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:41 pm

Hazy2 wrote:
Original Dub wrote:He's an excellent back up striker. Any suggestions for a better replacement when we move him on?

You know, someone that's willing to play as back up to Aguero?


Jovetic he is some player based this 26 mins outstanding I kid you not.

And thats all you get per season from him - 26 outstanding minutes.
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Re: Bony - Malaria

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:33 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:It's not even a struggle for me.

Nacho plays and we punish the Rags.
Bony plays and we will make heavy weather of a mediocre side.

Cheers


You're starting to sound Herbacious on this topic Doomie.


Whatever. Apparently people think Bony is a great striker. No sweat. I hope they're right.

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