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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:02 am

TGR wrote:
Original Dub wrote:^ This one really is on a mission to get rid of the manager.

Has he posted about anything else?


Sorry mate I thought this was a football forum to discuss & debate such issues?
I'll ask your permission to post next time - eh?


Such issues?

Sorry mate I only noticed you making the same suggestion over and over again. Get rid of "the chilean".
I haven't seen these debates or discussions you speak of.

All that aside, feel free to ask for guidance... if it helps eradicate the repetition, I'm all for it.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby mcfc1632 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:41 am

I am with everyone that thought that Pellers selection's for Saturday were badly wrong - but with none of the JCL brigade that just spout 'get rid' like spoilt brats.

So for me we were 'done' as soon as Pellers selected that formation, but the players also did not perform. Hate to say it but ahead of the Palace game last night one of the Neville sisters gave a pretty good explanation of how to beat the Klopp setup and how our players were just switched off, casual and lazy.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby TGR » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:40 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:I am with everyone that thought that Pellers selection's for Saturday were badly wrong - but with none of the JCL brigade that just spout 'get rid' like spoilt brats.

So for me we were 'done' as soon as Pellers selected that formation, but the players also did not perform. Hate to say it but ahead of the Palace game last night one of the Neville sisters gave a pretty good explanation of how to beat the Klopp setup and how our players were just switched off, casual and lazy.


Don't kid yourself it is just the 'JCL Brigade' my friend it is far from it. I sit in block 126 and the vast majority of the hard core match going fans around me have similar thoughts - they just don't believe he is good enough. They don't believe he can motivate the players / team and they do believe he is tactically clueless, which he is. Don't shoot the messenger here fella that's just how it is.
He is a nice bloke for sure but he is not at the level of what is needed at the Etihad these days and in the future. I'll gladly wave him goodbye, heartily cheer him off on his last game and be glad to see the back of him and I won't be the only one.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:46 pm

The highest win percentage the Premier League has ever seen.
The highest win percentage Real Madrid ever seen.

He's not clueless.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby TGR » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:53 pm

Original Dub wrote:The highest win percentage the Premier League has ever seen.
The highest win percentage Real Madrid ever seen.

He's not clueless.


He was on Saturday...
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Wonderwall » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:54 pm

TGR wrote:
Original Dub wrote:The highest win percentage the Premier League has ever seen.
The highest win percentage Real Madrid ever seen.

He's not clueless.


He was on Saturday...


haha yes he was. When he gets it wrong, he crashes and burns
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:59 pm

TGR wrote:
Original Dub wrote:The highest win percentage the Premier League has ever seen.
The highest win percentage Real Madrid ever seen.

He's not clueless.


He was on Saturday...


Yep.

As was Mourinho, Ferguson and any other excellent manager with a lower win percentage in this league, at times. What's your point?
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby mcfc1632 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:26 pm

TGR wrote:
mcfc1632 wrote:I am with everyone that thought that Pellers selection's for Saturday were badly wrong - but with none of the JCL brigade that just spout 'get rid' like spoilt brats.

So for me we were 'done' as soon as Pellers selected that formation, but the players also did not perform. Hate to say it but ahead of the Palace game last night one of the Neville sisters gave a pretty good explanation of how to beat the Klopp setup and how our players were just switched off, casual and lazy.


Don't kid yourself it is just the 'JCL Brigade' my friend it is far from it. I sit in block 126 and the vast majority of the hard core match going fans around me have similar thoughts - they just don't believe he is good enough[/b]. They don't believe he can motivate the players / team and they do believe he is tactically clueless, which he is. Don't shoot the messenger here fella that's just how it is.
He is a nice bloke for sure but he is not at the level of what is needed at the Etihad these days and in the future. I'll gladly wave him goodbye, heartily cheer him off on his last game and be glad to see the back of him and I won't be the only one.



The part of your post that I have highlighted is the issue that I have with the 'get rid' brigade - and the reason I mentioned JCLs (I meant to the club not this board). It is that CITY, in common with a lot of clubs that have done 'off the cuff' sackings should be able to remember the consequences of ill-thought through actions.

There is talk about the level we are now at and that Pellers is not good enough. That case can be argued for and against - but what I would argue very strongly against is that we repeat the sacking of manager(s) in mid-season unless a) it is part of a plan, with the replacement being the prime candidate, carefully chosen, or b) there was some extreme situation that warranted immersing the club into a situation where we have confusion, or a replacement manager that is not the 'carefully chosen candidate' etc.

We, perhaps more than any PL club, should know the folly of that - was it Peter Reid that was sacked because be were 5th? - not good enough for a club of our stature!! the rest is history - a very painful one. So, for me only the JCLs would not remember the lesson(s) of such an incompetent approach and demand that we repeat such stupid mistakes - because they obviously (IMO) know no better.

For me it is a simple flow:

I have total faith and gratitude towards the owner and he appointed one of his closest confidants to run the club - someone that could have been trusted to run any number of other global concerns on behalf of AD.

I have total confidence and faith in our Chairman and am frankly amazed that someone of his stature continues in that role when he could be running all sorts of major concerns for AD around the globe - a clear demonstration of his (and the Sheik's) commitment. [b]He chose the management team - from careful selection of the best available in world football - and with the global club (and business) that we are destined to become in mind.

I have a large degree of confidence in the Spanish duo - a) because of how they were recruited and by whom, b) their pedigree and experience, c) the evidence of what has been achieved commercially and with regard to global expansion, d) what MCFC have achieved and are on track to achieve- yes they will have to make some short term decisions due to circumstance and availability of resources, but they seem to clearly be working to a plan/strategy - so no knee-jerk from them. They appointed Pellers at a time when we needed some 'characteristics' brought into the club. I was a Mancini fan - but we needed some calm and I do love the way the media cunts fail to get a rise out of him. Pellers might not have been their 'long-term/strategic' target, but he has really helped bring calm and success to the club.

I have little doubt that they have their 'most-preferred' candidate(s) in mind and are working on bringing that person, or alternative, in - the same way they worked for ages behind the scenes to bring in Sterling and KDB - this is not high street shopping!! Also, I am confident that they will not be influenced by strident voices from people (not aimed particularly at you) that are not able to think beyond their immediate needs and view of what they are oh so entitled to now they are a fan of a very big club.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby bayblue » Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:22 pm

^. Well said (or written!)
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:03 pm

bayblue wrote:^. Well said (or written!)


+1
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby zuricity » Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:40 pm

I'm extremely disappointed with Saturday's result.

Simply blaming the team selection by the manager overshadows too many issues.

Mangala should be sold asap, he really is out of his depth.

Demich is shot.

These two made schoolboy errors on three of their goals and were found wanting for their fourth.

I don't know about the refs but this one was very questionable, he genuinely does not understand the game and the way he called the game back after scouse 2 willingly lost the ball in the second half was nigh on embarrassing.

Joe Hart really doesn't have a clue about football distribution and his kicking is crap.

I can only think that Yaya is injured because he is so listless.

Fernandinho had to start that game.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:05 pm

Good point on the ref Zuri.

He was totally biased in his decision making and I've noticed that before. There are shite refs out there, but they're shite all round.
This cunt managed to aid every dipper move (waving advantage after the foul on Sagna, WTF?!) while refusing to play advantages for us.

De Bruyne lost it with him at one stage. And that doesn't seem his normal style.

We were shite, but when the ref is like he was, it makes it a foregone conclusion.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:12 pm

Original Dub wrote:Good point on the ref Zuri.

He was totally biased in his decision making and I've noticed that before. There are shite refs out there, but they're shite all round.
This cunt managed to aid every dipper move (waving advantage after the foul on Sagna, WTF?!) while refusing to play advantages for us.

De Bruyne lost it with him at one stage. And that doesn't seem his normal style.

We were shite, but when the ref is like he was, it makes it a foregone conclusion.



The ref was marked as an excellent 9 out of 10 for his performance.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:15 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Good point on the ref Zuri.

He was totally biased in his decision making and I've noticed that before. There are shite refs out there, but they're shite all round.
This cunt managed to aid every dipper move (waving advantage after the foul on Sagna, WTF?!) while refusing to play advantages for us.

De Bruyne lost it with him at one stage. And that doesn't seem his normal style.

We were shite, but when the ref is like he was, it makes it a foregone conclusion.



The ref was marked as an excellent 9 out of 10 for his performance.


By who?

I thought Sagna was fouled by Coutinho on their first.

But I also thought we got away with similar type fouls in the second half.

The advantage thing was ridiculous, fair enough if he wants to wait a few seconds to see if an advantage accrues but he can't do it on one decision and not on the rest.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:11 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
bayblue wrote:^. Well said (or written!)


+1

Yes, I'm in on this one.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:15 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Good point on the ref Zuri.

He was totally biased in his decision making and I've noticed that before. There are shite refs out there, but they're shite all round.
This cunt managed to aid every dipper move (waving advantage after the foul on Sagna, WTF?!) while refusing to play advantages for us.

De Bruyne lost it with him at one stage. And that doesn't seem his normal style.

We were shite, but when the ref is like he was, it makes it a foregone conclusion.



The ref was marked as an excellent 9 out of 10 for his performance.

He was a disgrace. For example, every time the dippers gave away a free-kick they kicked the ball away. Every time. He said nothing to them, not once. We we're crap though so he didn't influence the game as much as he might have.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:21 pm

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Good point on the ref Zuri.

He was totally biased in his decision making and I've noticed that before. There are shite refs out there, but they're shite all round.
This cunt managed to aid every dipper move (waving advantage after the foul on Sagna, WTF?!) while refusing to play advantages for us.

De Bruyne lost it with him at one stage. And that doesn't seem his normal style.

We were shite, but when the ref is like he was, it makes it a foregone conclusion.



The ref was marked as an excellent 9 out of 10 for his performance.


By who?

One of the national papers apparently marks the refs every game and that's what they came up with. But on the Sagna thing like every other City fan I thought it was a foul and maybe more often than not would be given but it's noticeable it hasn't been mentioned by anyone else anywhere.
I thought Sagna was fouled by Coutinho on their first.

But I also thought we got away with similar type fouls in the second half.

The advantage thing was ridiculous, fair enough if he wants to wait a few seconds to see if an advantage accrues but he can't do it on one decision and not on the rest.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:25 pm

JCLs


I agree with most of what you write but this is way wide of the mark. It has nothing to do with when you started supporting the club. Unrealistic expectations are as wide spread in the old timer brigade as well.
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby mcfc1632 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:38 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
JCLs


I agree with most of what you write but this is way wide of the mark. It has nothing to do with when you started supporting the club. Unrealistic expectations are as wide spread in the old timer brigade as well.


Possibly so - I am happy to accept that if that is your experience.

As an 'old-timer', I would like to think that people would not forget the utter chaos that resulted from so many managers being hired - simply because they were what was available at the time - simply because we sacked the incumbent without planning and preparation.

It seemed that generally the incumbent was being sacked because he was not getting the results - mainly because he was not up to the job and had only been selected because he was the best available at the time............................. and so the cycle continued. (actually some of the managers were up to the job given where we were at the time of their appointment - but perhaps the chairman was not)

Perhaps some of us old-timers have issues with our memories?
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Re: ***city v liverpool official match thread***

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:12 pm

Fuck, my post got deleted. In short:

I think you're right MCFC1632. Memories are short and moreover, I think it's in the nature of a football fan to always expect a little bit more than where you're at. This applies to any level. If you manage to stay up, you want mid table mediocrity next season. If you get into the Waffa, you want your team to reach the CL. If you win the league, you want to win the CL. And so on. If you're not mindful about that you're on your merry way of being insufferable. IMO
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