Nacho man

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When there's an option of bringing Bony on or Ian I think 99% of us would rather have Ian. The kid has more talent in his one pube than Bony in his whole body!

But Bony has more pubes

[Hutch's Shoulder]

No, he's done some good things but also sometimes looked raw when he's come on. Plenty to learn and he's learning. End of story.

[Mase]

When there's an option of bringing Bony on or Ian I think 99% of us would rather have Ian. The kid has more talent in his one pube than Bony in his whole body!

But Bony has more pubes

He should probably start using them to cushion the ball.

[sheblue]

Nocturnal Nacho, only spotted occasionally at night usually for league cup games......

[Alioune DVToure]

The kid is a young 19 and he's made 14 appearances in half a season. I think he's getting just about the right amount of game time. No way do I think he's better than Bony, and he's at too early a stage of his development to tell whether he ever will be. If we sign another forward this month, I'd even be tempted to send him to one of the top six Championship teams until the end of the season. Let him get some games and goals under his belt for a decent side like Boro or Brighton.

Bony gets a rough ride; some posters on this forum love to have a centre-forward to slag.

[DoomMerchant]

The kid is a young 19 and he's made 14 appearances in half a season. I think he's getting just about the right amount of game time. No way do I think he's better than Bony, and he's at too early a stage of his development to tell whether he ever will be. If we sign another forward this month, I'd even be tempted to send him to one of the top six Championship teams until the end of the season. Let him get some games and goals under his belt for a decent side like Boro or Brighton.

Bony gets a rough ride; some posters on this forum love to have a centre-forward to slag.

Bony has been absolutely shit this season.

Suggesting anything short of that is just being silly or contrarian.

Cheers

[Foreverinbluedreams]

The kid is a young 19 and he's made 14 appearances in half a season. I think he's getting just about the right amount of game time. No way do I think he's better than Bony, and he's at too early a stage of his development to tell whether he ever will be. If we sign another forward this month, I'd even be tempted to send him to one of the top six Championship teams until the end of the season. Let him get some games and goals under his belt for a decent side like Boro or Brighton.

Bony gets a rough ride; some posters on this forum love to have a centre-forward to slag.

Bony has been absolutely shit this season.

Suggesting anything short of that is just being silly or contrarian.

Cheers

8 goals and 6 assists in 1250 minutes of football suggests otherwise, that's a goal or assist every 90 mins.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

100% I think he is better than Bony and in the bits that we have seen of him I think it has shown through.

[Alioune DVToure]

Sorry, but it's neither silly nor contrarian to believe that a full international with 150+ career goals is better placed than a 19 year-old academy graduate to spearhead an attack as a lone striker.

Bony hasn't been shit at all. He has a bit of a dodgy first touch at times and has fluffed some decent chances but he's been involved in a lot when he's played. He will only ever deputise to Aguero, but it's ridiculous to have him sit out games in favour of an untried teenager who may or may not turn out to be the bollocks. Iheanacho looks to carry a goal threat but Bony does a lot of important hard work.

Absolutely no coincidence that the same people who spent four years slagging Dzeko are now all over Bony.

[Original Dub]

Pay no attention. There's an agenda with doomy when it comes to bony.

Obviously bony's stats back up the fact that he is not shite and never has been.

[DoomMerchant]

Sorry, but it's neither silly nor contrarian to believe that a full international with 150+ career goals is better placed than a 19 year-old academy graduate to spearhead an attack as a lone striker.

Bony hasn't been shit at all. He has a bit of a dodgy first touch at times and has fluffed some decent chances but he's been involved in a lot when he's played. He will only ever deputise to Aguero, but it's ridiculous to have him sit out games in favour of an untried teenager who may or may not turn out to be the bollocks. Iheanacho looks to carry a goal threat but Bony does a lot of important hard work.

Absolutely no coincidence that the same people who spent four years slagging Dzeko are now all over Bony.

I didn't spend an entirety of four years slagging off Jayko. Only when he was crap did I slag him off.

And my point to you was about Bony. He has been shit this season. End of story. His moments of worthwhile productivity have been few and far between.

I don't know what you're watching to think otherwise. People can use the stats and call him a full international striker all they want but it doesn't mean anything to me really. I know what I'm watching and it's an out of form striker who offers very little to make our squad better.

We can do much much better.

Cheers

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Although I think Kelechi is probably a better player than Bony already I DO NOT think he should be starting every game. Maybe he shouldnt be starting any game apart from a cup game which I think he did. But I do think he should have had more game time so far and I hope he does get more as the season continues.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Although I think Kelechi is probably a better player than Bony already I DO NOT think he should be starting every game. Maybe he shouldnt be starting any game apart from a cup game which I think he did. But I do think he should have had more game time so far and I hope he does get more as the season continues.

Give one good reason why he should never start a game ?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Although I think Kelechi is probably a better player than Bony already I DO NOT think he should be starting every game. Maybe he shouldnt be starting any game apart from a cup game which I think he did. But I do think he should have had more game time so far and I hope he does get more as the season continues.

Give one good reason why he should never start a game ?

I said he shouldn't be starting EVERY game.

Anyway he obviously shouldnt start in front of Kun and when he isn't fit it's probablty tight to start Bony with the experience he has and with the strength he has he will always cause problems even when he doesn't play well. Kelechi starting is obviously an option and I would have done that while Kun was missing and not just in the cup but we should not be putting too much pressure onto a player so young.

I see it as easy to bring Kelechi on as a sub whether for Bony or to add to the attacking unit and it's here where I think Pellers has missed opportunities.

[Ray78]

Despite the stop start time at City, Bony is a good alternative to our main striker and has a few good seasons in professional football start than Nacho. All Bony has to do is improve his overall attitude (which is down to confidence like any striker struggling for form).

[carl_feedthegoat]

Although I think Kelechi is probably a better player than Bony already I DO NOT think he should be starting every game. Maybe he shouldnt be starting any game apart from a cup game which I think he did. But I do think he should have had more game time so far and I hope he does get more as the season continues.

Give one good reason why he should never start a game ?

I said he shouldn't be starting EVERY game.

Anyway he obviously shouldnt start in front of Kun and when he isn't fit it's probablty tight to start Bony with the experience he has and with the strength he has he will always cause problems even when he doesn't play well. Kelechi starting is obviously an option and I would have done that while Kun was missing and not just in the cup but we should not be putting too much pressure onto a player so young.

I see it as easy to bring Kelechi on as a sub whether for Bony or to add to the attacking unit and it's here where I think Pellers has missed opportunities.

I think the reality is that when a manager is responsible for buyings players with a heavy price tag then it's only natural they play them ahead of players of Nachos calibre....its fuckign wrong of course , any forward that has the speed that Nacho possesses should be played ahead of players like Bony IMO.....i've always said Bony is very useful playing alongside another forward but he should never ever be played as a lone striker...as hes shit at it and we can never ever rely on him to win a game for us.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Nacho has started a league game, against Norwich, he did very little in that one truth be told.

I do agree that he probably should've been given more opportunities when Aguero was out but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, Pellegrini may have a valid reason why he hasn't given him more playing time that we are not privy to.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Sorry, but it's neither silly nor contrarian to believe that a full international with 150+ career goals is better placed than a 19 year-old academy graduate to spearhead an attack as a lone striker.

Bony hasn't been shit at all. He has a bit of a dodgy first touch at times and has fluffed some decent chances but he's been involved in a lot when he's played. He will only ever deputise to Aguero, but it's ridiculous to have him sit out games in favour of an untried teenager who may or may not turn out to be the bollocks. Iheanacho looks to carry a goal threat but Bony does a lot of important hard work.

Absolutely no coincidence that the same people who spent four years slagging Dzeko are now all over Bony.

I didn't spend an entirety of four years slagging off Jayko. Only when he was crap did I slag him off.

And my point to you was about Bony. He has been shit this season. End of story. His moments of worthwhile productivity have been few and far between.

I don't know what you're watching to think otherwise. People can use the stats and call him a full international striker all they want but it doesn't mean anything to me really. I know what I'm watching and it's an out of form striker who offers very little to make our squad better.

We can do much much better.

Cheers

Watch the last 15 minutes of that game on Saturday again Doomie, he didn't make a great impact on the ball, although he was neat and tidy to be fair, but notice how we start throwing high crosses into the box purely because we had a target to aim at, this is what ultimately led to us winning the game.

He hasn't been great by any stretch but to say he's been absolutely shit is just pure nonsense.

[sheblue]

When bony came on on sat, Watford had two up front to deal with, a completely different scenario for their defenders, even wilf did absolutely nothing, the fact is his presence helped change and win the game.
Stop calling him shit, he isn't, he is just different and something different we will need from time to time.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Nacho has started a league game, against Norwich, he did very little in that one truth be told.

I do agree that he probably should've been given more opportunities when Aguero was out but we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, Pellegrini may have a valid reason why he hasn't given him more playing time that we are not privy to.

Pellegrini has 28 million reasons to play him before Nacho...that's the main reason.