Handicapped Everton fan, only a kid, abused by city fans

[frankswift]

Last time we played Everton we were thanked for applauding a lad being stretchered off due to a heart attack. This time we're all with no exception thugs who abuse people with special needs. There's no middle ground, is there?

If it turns out that kid was abused the club can easily sort it out with an apology and some better tickets for the next Everton match. And ban the prick who said it.

The article in the Echo was a bit of a whine. I watched the accompanying video of fisticuffs between fans (after having to watch an advert first) and it was a bit of nothing. When I was a kid most weeks at Maine Road I usually got worse than that from the police just for looking at them.

And where were the usual rag-supporting knobheads in the yellow coats who are supposed to keep the fans apart at Eastlands? One (eventually) turned up and it all stopped. Horrific or what?

The weirdest tale not to come out of Trafford.

[Socrates]

I think the article is garbage too.

I'm with Fesan. We are extremely passionate about our sport in Oz, and we don't segregate. We have supporter areas where fans can choose to mix exclusively with their own. The fun is with your banter, not your fists.

You fight, you get hauled out by security quick smart, you go to court, get banned from the stadium for life and a hefty fine.

Totally agree but also just to point out that the garbage in the Liverpool Echo about the disabled kid (with no witnesses it seems) was about verbal abuse not physical. This can go too far too and be beyond banter. But it's clear the Echo has some sort of agenda right now and is whipping things up on the basis of one incident and a few helpings of hearsay. Totally irresponsible, but what do you expect from a gutter newspaper?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Sad to see that the culture is so entrenched that people arent even able to see how it could be different.

Justifying anti social behaviour because of football is no different than justifying it for any other reason.

You dont blame a girl if she was physically or mentally abused because "she was asking for it". So why is it we blame a fan for "sitting in the wrong place" if he or she gets abused?

if you ho into the wrong part of town the chances of getting robbed increase but that does not make the act any less wrong both legally and morally. And noone condones robbing in those areas "because thats how it is".

Wont continue this discussion as there is no point, but I truly feel for those who cannot see how these cases are the same and how insane it is to think you can treat others like garbage "because its football". That is no more sane than accepting abusive behaviour "because its tuesday".

Have a nice night everyone, good times to be a blue!

The original article said City fans were lining up to give him a dig, they weren't. Nor did the article mention that he was goading the home support, stood arms wide open and gesturing up to Evertin supporters. He wasn't simply cheering his team. It wasn't that he simply got a tad over excited and jumped up when they scored. He was giving it large. He was being provocative I would suggest. And for some time too, it took a while for it to happen. It really was an act of stupidity one way or another. And this is my point about the article misreporting the incident, it was made to appear he was targeted merely for being an Everton fan rather than behaving like an utter knob jockey. And you clearly believe it too.

[JamieMCFC]

One might not like the US for alot of things but man they got it right when it comes to sports culture both with behaviour from athletes and fans. No such thing as an away section over there.

The reason for no away section in the U.S. is because away fans don't travel to games in large numbers like they do over there. It's to far to travel between teams for the most part.When my local team moves to MLS next year the closest teams are Chicago and Kansas City both 6 hour drives. In our current league the closest team is Indianapolis which is a 9 hour drive.

[bigblue]

One might not like the US for alot of things but man they got it right when it comes to sports culture both with behaviour from athletes and fans. No such thing as an away section over there.

To be fair, there's about 90% less away fans at American sports events. Just transplants from the away City or assholes who want to root against the local team. Much, much bigger distance to travel for away fans than in England. It'd be like every away game for City is in Malaga, Rome, or Kiev.

And visit Philly as an away fan then tell me how well behaved US sports fans are.

[littlebig]

Disgrace if true. You'd hope that fellow blues would call the Neanderthal out for bringing our name down. We have high standards at City.

[Bluedj]

Sounds like not a lot of fans on here were in the Kippax in the 70's with the Governors, when away fans would try climb over the steel blue segregation fencing for some bother. Leeds, Scouce1 & Manure matches were terrible

[DoomMerchant]

to the point about US sports getting it right....there are always beefs tho at every game or match but they rarely create actual physical violence because of the fact that they sit together. It's very very common to have a pushfight, minor dust up, an arrest or two in an NFL game. Every fucking game has that. And you never hear about it.

The Philadelphia Eagles old stadium used to have a fucking jail, and a judge IN THE FUCKING STADIUM to process people arrested during the game because there were so many.

This stuff doesn't make the news in the States unless someone dies. Or it gets caught on video and is particularly scummy. 98% of it goes unnoticed. I am going to admit that i just made up that figure...i didn't do the research personally, or even look it up to know that it was 98%.

i quite like the separation and warring tribes vibe of matchday. It's exciting, and different and fun. Granted i didn't grow up in the hooligan era legging it to a train on an away day hoping not to get knocked unconscious, but i think there's a lot to be said for the buzz that football brings with the culture. If it was all Rugby fans and happy clappy shit what fun would that be? I love the Rugby fan story and if i lived in the UK i'd probably take my son to the rugby and not the football tbh because of that, until he was a bit older...the fans are just too edgy and scummy for a 10 year old boy in my mind. In fact, I heard one grown man actually fucking split his trousers on a recent matchday! Fucking fans are out of control.

cheers

[patrickblue]

As Nigel's Tackle pointed out, this all came from the Liverpool Echo, which consistently seems to come out with stories of nasty City fans abusing innocent OAP's, women, kids, disabled people, and combinations of all of them. This happens every time we play red or blue scouse.
Then the Mirror picked up on it, which is probably where the Norwegian paper got it from.
Strangely enough, the disabled lad story changed from "disabled boy" in the Liverpool Echo, to Boy with "Cerebral Palsy" in the Mirror.
The Echo story made no mention of Cerebral Palsy anywhere in their story.

[DoomMerchant]

As Nigel's Tackle pointed out, this all came from the Liverpool Echo, which consistently seems to come out with stories of nasty City fans abusing innocent OAP's, women, kids, disabled people, and combinations of all of them. This happens every time we play red or blue scouse.
Then the Mirror picked up on it, which is probably where the Norwegian paper got it from.
Strangely enough, the disabled lad story changed from "disabled boy" in the Liverpool Echo, to Boy with "Cerebral Palsy" in the Mirror.
The Echo story made no mention of Cerebral Palsy anywhere in their story.

I heard it was Stephen Hawking. Rude cunts we are.

Cheers

[bigblue]

The Philadelphia Eagles old stadium used to have a fucking jail, and a judge IN THE FUCKING STADIUM to process people arrested during the game because there were so many.

This stuff doesn't make the news in the States unless someone dies. Or it gets caught on video and is particularly scummy. 98% of it goes unnoticed. I am going to admit that i just made up that figure...i didn't do the research personally, or even look it up to know that it was 98%.

cheers

Or if someone intentionally vomits on a child. Philly fans are in their own category of horrible:

Watch on youtube.com

[Shano78]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

[Dameerto]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

What would happen if I celebrated a CIty goal in the middle of a load of Everton fans, just out of interest? I have no comment on what's alleged to have happened because I wasn't there - but the first thing I would want to find out is whether he DID get the tickets through Everton or whether they were home tickets bought via some other means. (I know what the articles says by the way, but news articles about CIty have proved to be somewhat inaccurate on numerous occasions in the past).

[Wonderwall]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

its hard to disagree with any of that TBH. However, thats what Football tribalism is like and has always been like, I would imagine if the lad was in a Cardiff or Millwall end, you would be looking at GBH charges.

Common sense should be applied, I would never take a youngster into an away end for such a high profile game in a charged atmosphere. The father needs a good talking to for putting them in that situation.

[Tokyo Blue]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

It is a criminal offence for an away fan to be in the home end at a football match.

The fact that Liverpool people, who let's face it, have a history of trying to get into areas of grounds that they haven't got tickets for, can't accept not going to an important match and have to break the law to do so is a sad reflection on the city.

Not much of a surprise to anyone outside liverpool though.

[Dameerto]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

It is a criminal offence for an away fan to be in the home end at a football match.

The fact that Liverpool people, who let's face it, have a history of trying to get into areas of grounds that they haven't got tickets for, can't accept not going to an important match and have to break the law to do so is a sad reflection on the city.

Not much of a surprise to anyone outside liverpool though.

The article manages to blame City stewards, City fans, and then imply the club couldn't be bothered to respond - I know how the club operates and it is highly likely they were checking facts before responding but the paper went to press without giving them enough time. That leaves an article based on one side of 'the argument' which immediately makes me question it.

[Mase]

Lads, here's a link on the Echo's page http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... n-10839247

Now unless the club staged the fucking meeting would you not all agree that it's at least genuine? Whether or not it's exaggerated by any publication is irrelevant. The fact that grown men can't manage to sit close to where someone celebrates a goal from another team is a sad reflection on society. All these typical red herrings like "football is my life" and "......in your idealistic world............." are just that, red herrings. The so-called passion of soccer fans is a charade for idiocy.

Chat shit get banged!

[Tokyo Blue]

It is a criminal offence for an away fan to be in the home end at a football match.

The fact that Liverpool people, who let's face it, have a history of trying to get into areas of grounds that they haven't got tickets for, can't accept not going to an important match and have to break the law to do so is a sad reflection on the city.

Not much of a surprise to anyone outside liverpool though.

The article manages to blame City stewards, City fans, and then imply the club couldn't be bothered to respond - I know how the club operates and it is highly likely they were checking facts before responding but the paper went to press without giving them enough time. That leaves an article based on one side of 'the argument' which immediately makes me question it.

You're braver than me clicking on that shite, mate.

[Shano78]

It may a criminal offence and maybe one or both clubs were at fault for seating them where they were seated but again, this has little relevance to the fans' behaviour. A kid, regardless of his disability or the club he supports, gets abuse from grown fucking men.

It's similar to the abuse thrown at away players. I hear "I'm sure he'll be ok with his £50k per week". This has nothing to do with the person receiving the abuse. It's go to do with the mentality of any adult who thinks it's a good idea to shout abuse at someone from the safety of the stands.

I'm sure there are Everton fans that do the same. I cringe every week watching them on the TV with their wanker actions and two-fingers up. Like a pack of twelve year olds. Sorry, it's a major gripe of mine as you might have noticed.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It may a criminal offence and maybe one or both clubs were at fault for seating them where they were seated but again, this has little relevance to the fans' behaviour. A kid, regardless of his disability or the club he supports, gets abuse from grown fucking men.

It's similar to the abuse thrown at away players. I hear "I'm sure he'll be ok with his £50k per week". This has nothing to do with the person receiving the abuse. It's go to do with the mentality of any adult who thinks it's a good idea to shout abuse at someone from the safety of the stands.

I'm sure there are Everton fans that do the same. I cringe every week watching them on the TV with their wanker actions and two-fingers up. Like a pack of twelve year olds. Sorry, it's a major gripe of mine as you might have noticed.

Was there more than one City fan that said this? I'm just curious as you're talking in plural.