mercenaries

[Mase]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

[aaron bond]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Why is it that this lack of fire in our bellies isn't highlighted when results are going our way?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

Eh?

[Original Dub]

What a fucking bizarre post.

Stones has been outstanding

[Nigels Tackle]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Why is it that this lack of fire in our bellies isn't highlighted when results are going our way?

maybe because we get results against teams that aren't fired up?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Sorry NT, I'm not having that. No one has rolled over for us this season.

We were second best all over the park in the first half yesterday but that's not necessarily down to lack of passion, I'd suggest fatigue played it's part yesterday after a tough two weeks travelling. I also think Pep got his team selection wrong.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Not seen the full game yet after going to watch City women win the double ( crap game but a win's a win) Heard some feedback which said we deserved to lose bla bla and now I have just watched the BBC highlights. Seems to me we weren't as good as we needed to be obviously but I was suprised to see we had 58% possession and actually quite a few chances.

Their goals came from Kola making a mess again and Zaba unluckily diverting an interception to Son who made the pass for the goal. I didn't get the impression we were that bad but doom and gloomers on here seem to think it's the end of the world.

Wouldn't want any of you in the trenches with me. We lost a game against a good team and now it's all about how we bounce back over the next few games. we are top still and 6 points from two home games will probably increase our lead. What's the big problem?

You prioritized the women's game over watching Man City against second ?(against anyone actually)

I fuckign wouldnt want to be in the trenches with you !

I would always watch a game live over one on telly. Cup final and going for the double is a bit special!

Never in doubt as I couldnt get to the Spurs game anyway.

Each to their own Doug.....I just couldn't bring myself to watch women's football at any time.

Beach vollyball gets my attention though.

Well there's a surprise

[aaron bond]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

Eh?

Stones was largely poor for Everton i.e. in the last few years.

But now we find ourselves in the position of him being our best centre back because all other options are shit or injured. He's started brightly but it's still to early to say how good he'll become.

We are massively short of quality at centre back so need Stones to deliver as we know Kolarov is limited, Kompany will always be injured and Otamendi is useless.

[Hazy2]

Having been at Spurs and being stood around the panic merchants who are screaming hoof it hoof it, It is no surprise to see the same panic on here when we lose a game. If anyone thinks we have a lack of work rate/Desire/honesty under Pep dare I suggest you are are not on the same page as the manager not a chance it gets hoofed or players take the piss under Pep, The man we have in charge is building for the long term. He has had one window and 3/4 months at the club. Any thought we will change style because we are under the cosh or the fans are shitting themselves with the back players on the ball is wasted, he will never change get your head around it, Pep knows what he is doing, we are at the start of the path the club always wanted to go down. the club on and off the pitch everyone will look up at. Show some respect and calm the fuck down 1 defeat in 11 and some of the best Football we have ever seen, Credit to Spurs they got the tactics on the day spot on and in a tight game go goals that were flukey another at the right moment for them, despite that we created chances against a very good team with outstanding centre backs, the best pairing in the league for me, were in a high quality game that has opened our eyes and I am sure Peps. Panic, no a blip and it was coming BTW.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

Eh?

Stones was largely poor for Everton i.e. in the last few years.

But now we find ourselves in the position of him being our best centre back because all other options are shit or injured. He's started brightly but it's still to early to say how good he'll become.

We are massively short of quality at centre back so need Stones to deliver as we know Kolarov is limited, Kompany will always be injured and Otamendi is useless.

Was he fuck largely poor, last season I'll grant you that he struggled but prior to that he made his name with outstanding performances for Everton as a 19/20 year old.

[Justified logic]

Having been at Spurs and being stood around the panic merchants who are screaming hoof it hoof it, It is no surprise to see the same panic on here when we lose a game. If anyone thinks we have a lack of work rate/Desire/honesty under Pep dare I suggest you are are not on the same page as the manager not a chance it gets hoofed or players take the piss under Pep, The man we have in charge is building for the long term. He has had one window and 3/4 months at the club. Any thought we will change style because we are under the cosh or the fans are shitting themselves with the back players on the ball is wasted, he will never change get your head around it, Pep knows what he is doing, we are at the start of the path the club always wanted to go down. the club on and off the pitch everyone will look up at. Show some respect and calm the fuck down 1 defeat in 11 and some of the best Football we have ever seen, Credit to Spurs they got the tactics on the day spot on and in a tight game go goals that were flukey another at the right moment for them, despite that we created chances against a very good team with outstanding centre backs, the best pairing in the league for me, were in a high quality game that has opened our eyes and I am sure Peps. Panic, no a blip and it was coming BTW.

That's as may be when we are being out-fought and are second to the ball all over the pitch, it is NOT the time to try and play the ball out from our own crowded penalty area as happened for example before the penalty decision; it is the time to launch it into the proverbial row Z.

[s1ty m]

Stones has been magnificent. Very classy player.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

My biggest worry is whether pep had tucked his balls away.

Seeing Fernando and navas start ahead of sane and Gundogan worried me right away. The pair haven't quite hit the highs yet in their short stay, but navas and Fernando haven't in several years. Why did pep who has not been afraid of upsetting anyone think those two could keep up with a young Spurs side hungry? Was it a genuine mistake or is he being talked round to all this in England rubbish we hear on commentary?

They've also gone bonkers on the not playing the ball to the keeper in England. Pep need to show everyone what he came to do and use the players that can do the job. I know he's not popular anymore but if Fernando is good enough for this system, yaya should be playing.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Guardiola won't accept it. He'll fuck off any lazy bastards when he gets the chance. Although I think there was more to yesterday's performance than a lack of fight/work. They're struggling at the back to cope with good pressing teams (hopefully this will improve) and 4 away games on the trot must be a little discombobulating. No excuse for Kolarov going into hiding at one point yesterday, though.

[Hazy2]

My biggest worry is whether pep had tucked his balls away.

Seeing Fernando and navas start ahead of sane and Gundogan worried me right away. The pair haven't quite hit the highs yet in their short stay, but navas and Fernando haven't in several years. Why did pep who has not been afraid of upsetting anyone think those two could keep up with a young Spurs side hungry? Was it a genuine mistake or is he being talked round to all this in England rubbish we hear on commentary?

They've also gone bonkers on the not playing the ball to the keeper in England. Pep need to show everyone what he came to do and use the players that can do the job. I know he's not popular anymore but if Fernando is good enough for this system, yaya should be playing.

Gundogan, is not match fit, he will be and it is worth building him up slowly this is a vastly different pace of to Germany, same with Sane, as for Yaya, like hoofing it, not going to happen mate never ever.The sooner fans accept Pep has his style and will not bend for anyone. He fronted out the Barca, board with his determination to succeed his way and look at the legacy, Spurs are a top team and a threat, losing there was on the cards.

[Burt]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

Eh?

Stones was largely poor for Everton i.e. in the last few years.

But now we find ourselves in the position of him being our best centre back because all other options are shit or injured. He's started brightly but it's still to early to say how good he'll become.

We are massively short of quality at centre back so need Stones to deliver as we know Kolarov is limited, Kompany will always be injured and Otamendi is useless.

What a loada fuckin bollox!!!

Stones became the most wanted young defender in the country due to outstanding performances for Everton prior to last season when he became unsettled.

And he's been fuckin outstanding so far for us.

You've been smoking crack or summat lad!!!

[Nick]

had to watch on my phone as was at my best mates christening so didn't see the full picture

bizarre one re: attitude question though as we have been up for every game this season (for once) pressing etc. so bit off if it came across that they didnt give a shit?

Kolorov is wank and needs to avoid the lineup (especially at CB) - for me stones plays vs celtic and we win.

[DoomMerchant]

I've been angry for over 24 hours about the absolute capitulation yesterday.

It started with a massively shit lineup and got worse from there.

Shit lineup, as in Count ca. any of the last 18 months. Absolute horseshit. Couldn't believe i saw Fernando and Navas back in and Aleks at FB vs Spurs pace. Sounded like a mess on paper. In practice? Well, fucking, Duh.

obsession with playing out from the back when clearly not every cunt was up for beating the press by running their bollox off. Hats off to Stones for being amazing btw. What a fucking player. Love that kid.

Lack of taking advantage of that midfield space left by their press. Zero fucking midfield bite to contend with Wanyama. The fucker was like Yaya circa 2012. Shitty decisions that we've got basically no one to play in that position either. Look at the roster. Who is it? He's nobody.

Poor service. Kun was an isolated, tragic figure.

Lack of tactical changes early when it was obvious Pep had gotten it 100% wrong. Spurs were fucking all over us from minute 1 and their gameplan was clear. In fact, this is allegedly the same exact approach that Pochettino used in Spain with Espanyol to beat Pep's Barca side many years ago.

In short, for those that didn't see it...Spurs gave us a lesson. Pep said "today, they were better" which while 100% true masks the question "why?"

Spurs have a great team, and a great coach. We better get our shit sorted if we think we're going to pip Spurs or Scouse victims to the title cuz the last week was fucking nothing like what it will require to do so.

cheers

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I've been angry for over 24 hours about the absolute capitulation yesterday.

It started with a massively shit lineup and got worse from there.

Shit lineup, as in Count ca. any of the last 18 months. Absolute horseshit. Couldn't believe i saw Fernando and Navas back in and Aleks at FB vs Spurs pace. Sounded like a mess on paper. In practice? Well, fucking, Duh.

obsession with playing out from the back when clearly not every cunt was up for beating the press by running their bollox off. Hats off to Stones for being amazing btw. What a fucking player. Love that kid.

Lack of taking advantage of that midfield space left by their press. Zero fucking midfield bite to contend with Wanyama. The fucker was like Yaya circa 2012. Shitty decisions that we've got basically no one to play in that position either. Look at the roster. Who is it? He's nobody.

Poor service. Kun was an isolated, tragic figure.

Lack of tactical changes early when it was obvious Pep had gotten it 100% wrong. Spurs were fucking all over us from minute 1 and their gameplan was clear. In fact, this is allegedly the same exact approach that Pochettino used in Spain with Espanyol to beat Pep's Barca side many years ago.

In short, for those that didn't see it...Spurs gave us a lesson. Pep said "today, they were better" which while 100% true masks the question "why?"

Spurs have a great team, and a great coach. We better get our shit sorted if we think we're going to pip Spurs or Scouse victims to the title cuz the last week was fucking nothing like what it will require to do so.

cheers

There was no capitulation, we were beaten by the better side on the day, it happens, get over it.

Perhaps if Silva had done better with that ball Navas put on a plate for him in the opening minutes then we could've got something out of the game but let's blame the usual suspects, it's easier that way.