Mancini Or Hughes, Which One Would You Have

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I suppose the fairest way to determine how they are getting on would be to compare what did each of them do with the same squad? Mancini has pretty much added nor one, nor has anyone been sold.
Made even more interesting by teh fact that Manchinis first 4 games were fairly easy and included a cup game against lower league opposition and his 5th game was the first real test.

Also Hughes first 4 games were fairly easy and included a cup game against lower league opposition and his 5th game was the first real test.

In Hughes 1st 5 games he kept 4 clean sheets and the in the stiff game against Arsenal, we hammered them (the 4-2 score line flattered them)

In Mancini's 1st 5 games he kept 3 clean sheets and in the first stiff test against a team who were 4 points off the relegation zone we got hammered, completely played off the park.

So as I am behind Manchini as he is now our manager, I guess my point is after 5 games, this is a really stupid thread. Manchini still has to prove himself in te English league.
That said full points for Ted's post, although those it was directed towards won't even realise just how hypocritical they are.

Except it isn't. Comparable that is. Hughes first 5 games were after a full pre season and a previous 12 months at the club. He had a fully fit squad of players to choose from (bar RSC) all fired up and ready to go with some players making their debuts and obviously keen to make an impression.

Mancini was parachuted in mid-season and had to hit the ground running with players missing either through injury or playing in ACoN. Not to mention he was holding training sessions with an unknown group of players in the snow and ice of the big freeze and with a squad of players that had conceded 3 goals a game in their last 3 games with games coming up that we were expected to win and win well. So no it isn't comparable. In fact I will use the 'Hughes gambit' and say that we can only judge Mancini and Hughes when Mancini has a full squad to chose from (bar RSC) and/or has had a full season and/or has got his own players which ever is the quicker.

But yes this thread is laughable - I mean 9 of you idiots voted for Hughes and yes Mancini has only being here 5 minutes so it is way too early to judge although the fact he is not wedded to the words 'obviously' and dynamic' makes him immediately preferable to Hughes - that and Hughes inability to manage a football team. Obviously.

I do detect a desire to hold some peoples feet to the flames over Mancini and come any faltering of form and it will be 'poll heaven' on here all them kicking off with the theme 'well we sacked Hughes to get top 4 so...' and yes that is true. ADUG saw the chance of getting top 4 this season and couldn't see it happening under Hughes, but then blind f**king Pew could of seen that so ADUG don't get prizes for spotting the bleeding obvious.

But top 4 arguments aside I do think we should be giving the new guy a little bit of slack when he hits a few bumps on the way. Which he will. Although god help him if we don't get to the CC final. This place and the media will be full of people insisting that if we had kept Hughes we would have got through and that Hughes was 'on the brink of cracking it' and so on. Actually give it a few months and Hughes will the greatest manager we ever had without actually achieving anything. Which if you think about it is quite an achievment :)

that's more or less how Hughes got the job in the first place, by being touted as greatest young manager in Britain without actually having achieved anything. That's the head start you get in media for being a rag legend. Some people seem to read too much Daily Mirror.

[mcfc1632]

It is a really stupid thread - I would not be surprised if some / all the hughes votes were based on people being pissed off at NQDP indulging himself at everyone's else expense just cos he was looking a dick in a different thread - bit of baconface(esque) diversionary tactics

two points I would make:

1/ Shows a number of us here are just CITY Manager supporters because we are just CITY fans - so now Hughes has gone we are behind Mancini

2/ Up to very recently I was 100% confident of us going through to the CC final - the team would have been totally totally up for it - the passion / workrate etc would have been all there - and simply put we have a far better team / squad - I am now far less confident than I was - that is no criticism of Mancini - just a concern as to whether he will understand the importance to the fans - will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

[King Kev]

I really hoped we had seen the last of this sort of thread.

[DoomMerchant]

It is a really stupid thread - I would not be surprised if some / all the hughes votes were based on people being pissed off at NQDP indulging himself at everyone's else expense just cos he was looking a dick in a different thread - bit of baconface(esque) diversionary tactics

two points I would make:

1/ Shows a number of us here are just CITY Manager supporters because we are just CITY fans - so now Hughes has gone we are behind Mancini

2/ Up to very recently I was 100% confident of us going through to the CC final - the team would have been totally totally up for it - the passion / workrate etc would have been all there - and simply put we have a far better team / squad - I am now far less confident than I was - that is no criticism of Mancini - just a concern as to whether he will understand the importance to the fans - will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

the only concerns i have about Mancini's ability to perform in the semi revolve around injuries. he's coached in Milan and knows what a big derby means to fans and communities, don't you think? he said so himself this week in pretty clear terms on a vid interview on the OS as well i think.

and i disagree with yr statement that this is not a game of chess. it surely is in my mind.

cheers

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It is a really stupid thread - I would not be surprised if some / all the hughes votes were based on people being pissed off at NQDP indulging himself at everyone's else expense just cos he was looking a dick in a different thread - bit of baconface(esque) diversionary tactics

two points I would make:

1/ Shows a number of us here are just CITY Manager supporters because we are just CITY fans - so now Hughes has gone we are behind Mancini

2/ Up to very recently I was 100% confident of us going through to the CC final - the team would have been totally totally up for it - the passion / workrate etc would have been all there - and simply put we have a far better team / squad - I am now far less confident than I was - that is no criticism of Mancini - just a concern as to whether he will understand the importance to the fans - will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

so you are already saying that we had had better chance with Hughes than Mancini? Completely ignoring the fact that we lost ALL derby games under Hughes.

And what was wrong what I said on another thread? That it's foolish to ask Mancini to win the title when some people said 6th is enough for Hughes?

And you are once again acting like you are some sort of spokesperson for half the people on this site. In similar fashion as a rag who thinks he speaks for whole world. Get over yourself.

[Dunne's Half-Time Pint]

It is a really stupid thread - I would not be surprised if some / all the hughes votes were based on people being pissed off at NQDP indulging himself at everyone's else expense just cos he was looking a dick in a different thread - bit of baconface(esque) diversionary tactics

two points I would make:

1/ Shows a number of us here are just CITY Manager supporters because we are just CITY fans - so now Hughes has gone we are behind Mancini

2/ Up to very recently I was 100% confident of us going through to the CC final - the team would have been totally totally up for it - the passion / workrate etc would have been all there - and simply put we have a far better team / squad - I am now far less confident than I was - that is no criticism of Mancini - just a concern as to whether he will understand the importance to the fans - will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

the only concerns i have about Mancini's ability to perform in the semi revolve around injuries. he's coached in Milan and knows what a big derby means to fans and communities, don't you think? he said so himself this week in pretty clear terms on a vid interview on the OS as well i think.

and i disagree with yr statement that this is not a game of chess. it surely is in my mind.

cheers

earlier in this thread, but with the chess riff established, i called carl a pawn.

[bluej]

I really hoped we had seen the last of this sort of thread.

Me too. This thread has just opened up the same old debate, which is even more pointless now because the man in question has nothing to do with our football club.

I don't see threads popping up asking us if we prefer having mancini or sven, or mancini or keegan.

[BobKowalski]

- will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

Ah the old chess gambit. These foreign managers what do they know eh? What we need is a good old fashioned British manager who works 'em hard and stands for no nonsense. Trouble with British managers is that they are either unemployed, working in the championship or moonlighting on 'So You Think You Can Dance' - seriously Meatloaf and Allerdyce were separated at birth.

I always thought that the main attraction of Hughes and why so many clung desperately to the notion of 'sticking with him' is that he was British and 'hard' and well not foreign.

[mcfc1632]

Agreed - so what on earth was the point of the OP starting the thread - discontent sowed in the past - why try and do that now? - anyway - forward with Mancini and lets get at least a 3 goal lead on Tuesday

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I really hoped we had seen the last of this sort of thread.

on the contrary, immediately after Mancini's first defeat these people started to gather in galore who had seemingly waited for weeks to hint that we made wrong decision in sacking Hughes. I do believe that these people still need a forum to vent their anger so we can move on.

This thread has served it's purpose fantastically well so far.

[BobKowalski]

that's more or less how Hughes got the job in the first place, by being touted as greatest young manager in Britain without actually having achieved anything. That's the head start you get in media for being a rag legend. Some people seem to read too much Daily Mirror.

True with the head start bit and you don't tend to lose it until you really f**k up and it can no longer be ignored. Never quite understand why working for taggert automatically means you must be as good as taggert. Luckily they usually come a cropper or in keane's case go completely insane - I mean quite why he is allowed out in the community let alone trusted to manage a football team baffles me.

[mcfc1632]

- will he appreciate the focus that baconface will give it - this is a time to be right at them from the whistle - blood and guts with skill - not some game of chess

Ah the old chess gambit. These foreign managers what do they know eh? What we need is a good old fashioned British manager who works 'em hard and stands for no nonsense. Trouble with British managers is that they are either unemployed, working in the championship or moonlighting on 'So You Think You Can Dance' - seriously Meatloaf and Allerdyce were separated at birth.

I always thought that the main attraction of Hughes and why so many clung desperately to the notion of 'sticking with him' is that he was British and 'hard' and well not foreign.

I thought I had been clear - nothing anti-Bob meant - just that it comes early - and yes people are right - it is chess so I was wrong on that - but with some blood and guts as well (NQDP - see what I did there - admitted I was wrong / not right - and I will still be able to sleep tonight - try it one day)

[mcfc1632]

I really hoped we had seen the last of this sort of thread.

on the contrary, immediately after Mancini's first defeat these people started to gather in galore who had seemingly waited for weeks to hint that we made wrong decision in sacking Hughes. I do believe that these people still need a forum to vent their anger so we can move on.

This thread has served it's purpose fantastically well so far.

Well...... FFS - that is the most convoluted / mis-leading fucking statement - it beggars belief - even from you - you cannot stop yourself can you - how many times in a day do you need to prove you are just full of self-delusional shit -

I read those threads / posts that CITY fans posted and they did not read like that - only some commenting exposing some of the anti-Hughes ranters - specifically you for double standards - and they did it very well you looked a right dick - that is why you ran for cover

Go on do your usual cheap trick and bring out a couple of comments and try and portray them as the general theme - go on as per your (and Carl's) request earlier - I will be clear - you are some kind of cunt

You sanctimonious twat - you talk so 'high-handed' as if you are some senior person observing that the community need to vent etc - crap - if you think the board need this - then put it up and then shut the fuck up - the fact that you have posted more than anyone else shows what bollocks that is

(BTW swearing and specific name calling only undertaken as per moderator request earlier)

[john68]

I am more thasn happy to put my neck on the line and am more than happy to nail NQDP with the accusation of having different standards.
In the initial skirmishes of the Hughes debate, Antti was quite content to use a number of nonsensical tactics to slate Hughes. From the very beginning I was always convinced and still am that the ONLY reason Hughes was persona non grata in his head was his ex rag career.
Argument used against Hughes in those initial debates were based on LIES...and...FEARS MADE UP IN HIS OWN MIND THEN TREATED AS TRUTH...further to that...several accusations made against Hughes were BASED ON RUMOUR then TWISTED to suit the anti agenda.
It was only as games were lost and tactics questioned that a debate based on rational argument took place.
None of this is sensational...I quite openly stated this opinion openly on here at the time.

What DISGUSTS me now is that having got some semblance of peace and unity behind a new manager. Antti is starting new topics, simply digging up old burnt out issues that have already been analysed fully, discussed to death and scraping the scabs of old sores to open up the wounds again.
Antti, you are doing your level best AGAIN to push people into opposing camps. You are well aware that it is far too early and there is insufficent evidence after only 4 games to even begin a rational debate containing Mancini. You are clever enough to understanfd that so come clean...WHAT ARE YOUR TRUE MOTIVES for opening wounds?

....and for the record...please do NOT continue to rewrite what people have written, TWIST IT...then treat it as TRUTH.

"NOBODY SAID CITY WILL WIN THE LEAGUE...You are well aware of this as it was explained quite clearly several times. Yet full in the knowledge that this was not said...YOU ACCUSE THEM OF BEING SILLY.
You demand that names are clearly stated, because that is the many thing to do...I have happily copmplied. Yet you accuse City fans of being silly whilst OMMITTING to name them....DOUBLE STANDARDS????

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I really hoped we had seen the last of this sort of thread.

on the contrary, immediately after Mancini's first defeat these people started to gather in galore who had seemingly waited for weeks to hint that we made wrong decision in sacking Hughes. I do believe that these people still need a forum to vent their anger so we can move on.

This thread has served it's purpose fantastically well so far.

Well...... FFS - that is the most convoluted / mis-leading fucking statement - it beggars belief - even from you - you cannot stop yourself can you - how many times in a day do you need to prove you are just full of self-delusional shit -

I read those threads / posts that CITY fans posted and they did not read like that - only some commenting exposing some of the anti-Hughes ranters - specifically you for double standards - and they did it very well you looked a right dick - that is why you ran for cover

Go on do your usual cheap trick and bring out a couple of comments and try and portray them as the general theme - go on as per your (and Carl's) request earlier - I will be clear - you are some kind of cunt

You sanctimonious twat - if you think the board need this - then put it up and then shut the fuck up - the fact that you have posted more than anyone else shows what bollocks that is

(BTW swearing and specific name calling only undertaken as per moderator request earlier)

talk about ranting like Ferguson.

[King Kev]

the fact that you have posted more than anyone else shows what bollocks that is

Not quite but I reckon it won't be long! ;o)

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[mcfc1632]

I didn't - pay attention!!

I talked about the cheap way de diverts topics etc when he is in a hole

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I am more thasn happy to put my neck on the line and am more than happy to nail NQDP with the accusation of having different standards.
In the initial skirmishes of the Hughes debate, Antti was quite content to use a number of nonsensical tactics to slate Hughes. From the very beginning I was always convinced and still am that the ONLY reason Hughes was persona non grata in his head was his ex rag career.
Argument used against Hughes in those initial debates were based on LIES...and...FEARS MADE UP IN HIS OWN MIND THEN TREATED AS TRUTH...further to that...several accusations made against Hughes were BASED ON RUMOUR then TWISTED to suit the anti agenda.
It was only as games were lost and tactics questioned that a debate based on rational argument took place.
None of this is sensational...I quite openly stated this opinion openly on here at the time.

What DISGUSTS me now is that having got some semblance of peace and unity behind a new manager. Antti is starting new topics, simply digging up old burnt out issues that have already been analysed fully, discussed to death and scraping the scabs of old sores to open up the wounds again.
Antti, you are doing your level best AGAIN to push people into opposing camps. You are well aware that it is far too early and there is insufficent evidence after only 4 games to even begin a rational debate containing Mancini. You are clever enough to understanfd that so come clean...WHAT ARE YOUR TRUE MOTIVES for opening wounds?

....and for the record...please do NOT continue to rewrite what people have written, TWIST IT...then treat it as TRUTH.

"NOBODY SAID CITY WILL WIN THE LEAGUE...You are well aware of this as it was explained quite clearly several times. Yet full in the knowledge that this was not said...YOU ACCUSE THEM OF BEING SILLY.
You demand that names are clearly stated, because that is the many thing to do...I have happily copmplied. Yet you accuse City fans of being silly whilst OMMITTING to name them....DOUBLE STANDARDS????

well, I haven't called fellow Blues cunts or twats. If I would, they'd know who I'm talking about.

[mcfc1632]

the fact that you have posted more than anyone else shows what bollocks that is

Not quite but I reckon it won't be long! ;o)

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Good un - does that include all posts or is they some kind of quality filter applied to him??

But the point I was making was exposing the lie about him being so 'high and mighty' and giving the board some thread to vent and suggesting that is why he started this thread - but if that was true why has he posted more than anyone on this thread (not overall) -

On the earlier thread people were not bemoaning Hughes situation at all - that is NQDP bullshit - they were actually exposing him for blatant double standards and being a right dick

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I didn't - pay attention!!

I talked about the cheap way de diverts topics etc when he is in a hole

you are comparing people to rags, not for the first time, when you can't add anything to actual subject. I don't think you are exactly in position to question anyone's style.