Mancini losing the dressing room

[Cocacolajojo]

Zlatan's autobiography also has harsh words about Mancini, writing to the effect that when the going got tough, Mancini buckled and lacked leadership quality.

I don't know what happened here at City but we do know that we needed to fly Khaldoon in to salvage the 2011-12 season. Perhaps the dressing room was already lost during the spring but Khaldoon managed to fix it temporarily?

[PeterParker]

I wonder who were those players.

Tevez is surely one of them. Maybe Hart also?

[Beefymcfc]

Just inagine tge dressing room with a split and the atmosphere it causes. From my pov the majority who were undermining Mancini have already been mentioned but what cannot be underestimated is the recruitment of the new DoF and what that meant. It's water under the bridge now and not really worth getting irate about but the start of the season, with our shoddy transfer business, was a pre-cursor to what to expect.

Anybody remember the text message leaks from the camp to the journo's?

[Justified logic]

I'm waiting for the 10th volume of Barton's memoirs before I get my colouring crayons out. Might as well make a full day of it.

[Mase]

Just inagine tge dressing room with a split and the atmosphere it causes. From my pov the majority who were undermining Mancini have already been mentioned but what cannot be underestimated is the recruitment of the new DoF and what that meant. It's water under the bridge now and not really worth getting irate about but the start of the season, with our shoddy transfer business, was a pre-cursor to what to expect.

Anybody remember the text message leaks from the camp to the journo's?

Wasn't Platt one of those that leaked stories?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Just been reading Joey Barton's book, good read by the way, and he claims on the famous day when we won the title Roberto was going nuts on the touch line.

Apparently he was screaming "you're letting me down" over and over. Couple this with what we've heard about him yelling at lescott to stay back and it makes Barton's claim that the cracks probably started that day make a bit more sense. Do you lot think there's anything to the theory that his problems began or at least grew that day?

A) They WERE letting Mancini and supporters down. 2-1 down at home against absolute horseshit bad QPR. Do you thinkmthere was someone on then pitch who was thinking "gaffers wrong to shout at us because we arw trying our best and we will anyway get participation medal"?

B) I have no idea what is that Lescott thing but by the sound of it he tells players what to do and that's kind of what managers are supposed to do.

C) what the fuck would Barton know about cracks in our dressing room?

I didn't say he was wrong, what joey said was he was a mess and lost a bit of respect with his outburst.

As for the lescott thing it was a matter of keeping players back when we were going home with nothing in a do or die situation. I think you knew that tho and took the road you did in replying.

As for cracks in the dressing room, nothing other than the fact he had a few on speed dial. That part comes from what we saw actually happen. It's pretty well known he lost them the next season, the discussion is whether this event was the start of it or not.

Lost bit of respect?
Football is a manly game, sorry about sounding sexist but it is, and players respond to aggression in the time of need. Besides I would've probably strangled them myself with absolutely abysmal performance for the first 89 minutes in the time of need. Had he NOT responded most players would've lost respect.

Besides, what the fuck does fucking Joey Barton know about anything? He had left five years earlier and none of the players or staff who were around his time were gone by then. Let me tell you what he knows, absolutely fuck all.

Mancini was old school manager. None of this players best friend bollocks but old school "my way or the highway" gaffer. He pissed off Nasri? Errrr... is there a club where he hasn't burned bridges? He was always a troublemaker. Who else?

[Tokyo Blue]

Besides, what the fuck does fucking Joey Barton know about anything? He had left five years earlier and none of the players or staff who were around his time were gone by then. Let me tell you what he knows, absolutely fuck all.

I believe he was at City with Joe Hart for a season. Hart joined in 2006 and barton left in 2007. I find that interesting.

[Beefymcfc]

Just inagine tge dressing room with a split and the atmosphere it causes. From my pov the majority who were undermining Mancini have already been mentioned but what cannot be underestimated is the recruitment of the new DoF and what that meant. It's water under the bridge now and not really worth getting irate about but the start of the season, with our shoddy transfer business, was a pre-cursor to what to expect.

Anybody remember the text message leaks from the camp to the journo's?

Wasn't Platt one of those that leaked stories?

I'm not sure about Platt as he was loyal to the end, shown by his interview after they left. He did used to put stuff out there though, nothing about Mancini mind.

[Beefymcfc]

Besides, what the fuck does fucking Joey Barton know about anything? He had left five years earlier and none of the players or staff who were around his time were gone by then. Let me tell you what he knows, absolutely fuck all.

I believe he was at City with Joe Hart for a season. Hart joined in 2006 and barton left in 2007. I find that interesting.

Did he use him as an ashtray to put his cigar out?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Besides, what the fuck does fucking Joey Barton know about anything? He had left five years earlier and none of the players or staff who were around his time were gone by then. Let me tell you what he knows, absolutely fuck all.

I believe he was at City with Joe Hart for a season. Hart joined in 2006 and barton left in 2007. I find that interesting.

I seem to remember Hart spending most of that first season on loan at least in Tranmere and might've been Blackpool. How long and such O can't remember though.

[failsworthblue]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

[zuricity]

Zlatan's autobiography also has harsh words about Mancini, writing to the effect that when the going got tough, Mancini buckled and lacked leadership quality.

I don't know what happened here at City but we do know that we needed to fly Khaldoon in to salvage the 2011-12 season. Perhaps the dressing room was already lost during the spring but Khaldoon managed to fix it temporarily?

As if anyone should believe what that tosser zlat has to say .

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

That, I believe, was the main reason why he left. I don't mean just those guys but he was old fashioned manager manager and not one of these head coach managers. He wanted say on who was going and who was coming in and that's never going to work in Director of Football system.

People who think chairman and other executives give flying fuck what Nasri or Dzeko or Lescott think about manager are completely delusional. Players come and go and they know the score. There are handfull of players who are bigger than manager in world football. Messi and Fake-Ronaldo, Totti maybe some years back and Gattuso and Maldini in Milan back in the day (though neither of them were the type to challenge the manager). Shearer in Newcastle possibly and Del Piero in Juventus. After that you'd have to go to early 90's to find one.

[Cocacolajojo]

Zlatan's autobiography also has harsh words about Mancini, writing to the effect that when the going got tough, Mancini buckled and lacked leadership quality.

I don't know what happened here at City but we do know that we needed to fly Khaldoon in to salvage the 2011-12 season. Perhaps the dressing room was already lost during the spring but Khaldoon managed to fix it temporarily?

As if anyone should believe what that tosser zlat has to say .

I thini that's exactly what a tosser would say.

[nottsblue]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

That, I believe, was the main reason why he left. I don't mean just those guys but he was old fashioned manager manager and not one of these head coach managers. He wanted say on who was going and who was coming in and that's never going to work in Director of Football system.

People who think chairman and other executives give flying fuck what Nasri or Dzeko or Lescott think about manager are completely delusional. Players come and go and they know the score. There are handfull of players who are bigger than manager in world football. Messi and Fake-Ronaldo, Totti maybe some years back and Gattuso and Maldini in Milan back in the day (though neither of them were the type to challenge the manager). Shearer in Newcastle possibly and Del Piero in Juventus. After that you'd have to go to early 90's to find one.

Yet if we could go back in time I think the owners would've stumped up the cash for those players. We'd have had at least one more PL title if not two and possibly better CL success with those four in the side.

[sheblue]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

I seem to remember he wanted van persie as well and he went on to score 20ish goals in a rag title winning side.

[Hazy2]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

I seem to remember he wanted van persie as well and he went on to score 20ish goals in a rag title winning side.

I might be wrong here but I have some memory of RVP preferring City to the scum.?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

I seem to remember he wanted van persie as well and he went on to score 20ish goals in a rag title winning side.

I might be wrong here but I have some memory of RVP preferring City to the scum.?

He preferred whoever was offering the most wages.

just like with Hazard we were outbid because cutting our cloth to fall in line with FFP.

[PeterParker]

Bobby wanted to sign Sanchez , Hazard , De Rossi and Javi Martinez , the owners would not back him.

He had an eye for a player and they would have been immense.

That, I believe, was the main reason why he left. I don't mean just those guys but he was old fashioned manager manager and not one of these head coach managers. He wanted say on who was going and who was coming in and that's never going to work in Director of Football system.

People who think chairman and other executives give flying fuck what Nasri or Dzeko or Lescott think about manager are completely delusional. Players come and go and they know the score. There are handfull of players who are bigger than manager in world football. Messi and Fake-Ronaldo, Totti maybe some years back and Gattuso and Maldini in Milan back in the day (though neither of them were the type to challenge the manager). Shearer in Newcastle possibly and Del Piero in Juventus. After that you'd have to go to early 90's to find one.

This

Football was very different back then and scouts/managers knew what they were doing when I came down to players. As you said, now it comes down to executivs who know business, yes, BUT HAVE NO IDEA how football works. If our board would had bought Bobby's players, the guys he wanted, things would had been very different for us. Funny enough, with all the cash we threw out the window, the funds looked like they were not the problem.

That is why we got Rodwell, Jovetic, Otamendi, etc. The role managers have in buying player will go extinct when Wenger will retire, no doubt and we will have in 95 % of cases a discussion like:

Manager: I want Reus.
Executive: Here is a list of three suggestions different than Reus.
Manager: Can I add someone else on that list?
Executive: No.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You'd swear FFP never happened or that wages don't play a significant role in negotiations ( it seems it's all about the transfer fee alone ).