***pep's city v arsenal official match thread***

[Beefymcfc]

This has come in over the last couple of seasons. They now show what they think will influence the public and it seems that it's always to the detriment of us. The penalty appeals such as that on Gundogan in the Chelsea game, which looked clear cut, wasn't even reviewed, leaving us hanging. A new directive in Sky's arsenal, so to say.

And yeah, for the Sane goal, how could any official call that offside. It's taken Sky hours and hours to shown that Sane's big toe is offside and at pace the officials have to go with the 'if in doubt' regulation. How anybody can argue that it's offside is just being a twat, or an Arsenal fan.

Yep - as Dazby says no replay for the Brown penalty shout...

There's just too many to list for there not to be some sort of directive. Like many I'll watch the majority of games shown and it seems if you are one of the favoured few they'll show everything that they think is for you but nothing against; it just didn't happen. Or, if it is a high profile incident, show it with some sycophant in the background explaining how it couldn't have possibly been wrong, just a misunderstanding, such as Rojo's unbelievable flying challenges.

Dermot Gallagher was first class this morning to be fair called everything straight as dye so basically sticking two fingers up to SKY . Needs to watch himself the lad cant see his employers being too happy with him being totally fair and all that ??? Gallagher also made Wenger look a total tit aswell was good viewing .

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

[South Stand Balti]

Couldn't give a fuck about sky. How good was Fern 2 yesterday. Still buzzing today.

[Beefymcfc]

I've just been snooping around on the Arsenal Teamtalk site and the funny thing is no one had anything to say about any dubious offsides. All about how poor Arsenal were.

SKY's obsession with any remote chance to discredit City is bizarre.

I think we made them look poor, rather than them being just poor

[Beefymcfc]

Couldn't give a fuck about sky. How good was Fern 2 yesterday. Still buzzing today.

We shouldn't give a fuck but when they are continually berating and denigrating our club, they make you take notice.

I had Fern as MotM, best game I've seen him play and once he got his confidence up he was in for everything before passing it off to Yaya.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

This has come in over the last couple of seasons. They now show what they think will influence the public and it seems that it's always to the detriment of us. The penalty appeals such as that on Gundogan in the Chelsea game, which looked clear cut, wasn't even reviewed, leaving us hanging. A new directive in Sky's arsenal, so to say.

And yeah, for the Sane goal, how could any official call that offside. It's taken Sky hours and hours to shown that Sane's big toe is offside and at pace the officials have to go with the 'if in doubt' regulation. How anybody can argue that it's offside is just being a twat, or an Arsenal fan.

Yep - as Dazby says no replay for the Brown penalty shout...

There's just too many to list for there not to be some sort of directive. Like many I'll watch the majority of games shown and it seems if you are one of the favoured few they'll show everything that they think is for you but nothing against; it just didn't happen. Or, if it is a high profile incident, show it with some sycophant in the background explaining how it couldn't have possibly been wrong, just a misunderstanding, such as Rojo's unbelievable flying challenges.

Dermot Gallagher was first class this morning to be fair called everything straight as dye so basically sticking two fingers up to SKY . Needs to watch himself the lad cant see his employers being too happy with him being totally fair and all that ??? Gallagher also made Wenger look a total tit aswell was good viewing .

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

You spelt that wrong mate.

[Beefymcfc]

Yep - as Dazby says no replay for the Brown penalty shout...

There's just too many to list for there not to be some sort of directive. Like many I'll watch the majority of games shown and it seems if you are one of the favoured few they'll show everything that they think is for you but nothing against; it just didn't happen. Or, if it is a high profile incident, show it with some sycophant in the background explaining how it couldn't have possibly been wrong, just a misunderstanding, such as Rojo's unbelievable flying challenges.

Dermot Gallagher was first class this morning to be fair called everything straight as dye so basically sticking two fingers up to SKY . Needs to watch himself the lad cant see his employers being too happy with him being totally fair and all that ??? Gallagher also made Wenger look a total tit aswell was good viewing .

Yeah, he was mate. The Cunt was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

You spelt that wrong mate.

Sorted

[london blue 2]

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

I'm not as paranoid as you mate but this really annoys me. We out played Arse, scum and Chelsea quite comfortably and very little is made of this. Like it was a one off lucky result.

How they can focus on non issues when we made "the best footballing team in England" look like WBA is pathetic. The public believe it too...

[Beefymcfc]

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

I'm not as paranoid as you mate but this really annoys me. We out played Arse, scum and Chelsea quite comfortably and very little is made of this. Like it was a one off lucky result.

How they can focus on non issues when we made "the best footballing team in England" look like WBA is pathetic. The public believe it too...

And that's it mate, the perception from the paying public is all that Sky care about. I've had SS on this morning and there is no mention of how good we were, and we were good, just us, and the officials, cheating Arsenal out of 3 points. It really does fuck me off.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

I'm not as paranoid as you mate but this really annoys me. We out played Arse, scum and Chelsea quite comfortably and very little is made of this. Like it was a one off lucky result.

How they can focus on non issues when we made "the best footballing team in England" look like WBA is pathetic. The public believe it too...

And that's it mate, the perception from the paying public is all that Sky care about. I've had SS on this morning and there is no mention of how good we were, and we were good, just us, and the officials, cheating Arsenal out of 3 points. It really does fuck me off.

Just had a rag work colleague tell me that Sterling's goal was offside. I showed him a replay and stills to prove he wasn't and he conceded he was wrong, I told him that's what happens when you listen to Sky.

[Beefymcfc]

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

I'm not as paranoid as you mate but this really annoys me. We out played Arse, scum and Chelsea quite comfortably and very little is made of this. Like it was a one off lucky result.

How they can focus on non issues when we made "the best footballing team in England" look like WBA is pathetic. The public believe it too...

And that's it mate, the perception from the paying public is all that Sky care about. I've had SS on this morning and there is no mention of how good we were, and we were good, just us, and the officials, cheating Arsenal out of 3 points. It really does fuck me off.

Just had a rag work colleague tell me that Sterling's goal was offside. I showed him a replay and stills to prove he wasn't and he conceded he was wrong, I told him that's what happens when you listen to Sky.

That's what happens though, isn't it. Sky influence the thinking and it then becomes fact. The drip/drip of bullshit really does have an effect.

I don't know what pisses me off more, Wenger whinging or Sky running into the dressing room after the game to show Wenger he's been had off. Not in this world could anybody have called those decisions, let alone from the touchline, so how could Wenger be so certain when he never sees an incident that goes for his team. It's obvious that Sky told him that 'We've got your back', and that's why he could be so vociferous in his aftermatch, knowing that his assertions will be backed up. Sky don't give a fuck, they just want a story, and a story they got. What they didn't count on was everybody else in the game saying that the goals were legitimate and that's why they are looking like cocks now running with the story that both goals should have been ruled out.

[sheblue]

Yeah, he was mate. The anchor was trying to cajole him into saying the opposite and even allowed Winterburn (no bias there then) to interdict, stating that the lino wasn't doing his job. Gallagher held firm though and said his peace but that little break to allow a former Arsenal player to go against what he had to say said more about the illusion that Sky want to push, rather than the truth.

Why are we not hearing how City made them look like a spent force, basically them sticking 10 players behind the ball? We were slated for that a few seasons ago yet when they do the same? Where's those stats showing that we had more than twice as many efforts as they did, 5 times more on target. The stat that showed they had only one shot on target and scored; Bravo not having to make a save all game. What about the possession, you know, for that possession based team, how did they get on with that? And the fact that they committed more fouls yet get half the cards we get; what about them ones?

Perfect deflection tactics from Sky and one of their cosy cartel. After raising them above the parapet for their glorious football, us, and Everton, have shown that there's no change in their soft underbelly and that they've got as much fight as prostitute facing the thought of losing a tenner.

I'm not as paranoid as you mate but this really annoys me. We out played Arse, scum and Chelsea quite comfortably and very little is made of this. Like it was a one off lucky result.

How they can focus on non issues when we made "the best footballing team in England" look like WBA is pathetic. The public believe it too...

And that's it mate, the perception from the paying public is all that Sky care about. I've had SS on this morning and there is no mention of how good we were, and we were good, just us, and the officials, cheating Arsenal out of 3 points. It really does fuck me off.

Just had a rag work colleague tell me that Sterling's goal was offside. I showed him a replay and stills to prove he wasn't and he conceded he was wrong, I told him that's what happens when you listen to Sky.

Watched sky news there at lunchtime, they had Dermot Gallagher on saying it wasn't off side, yes believe it its true he was actually allowed to say it was a legitimate goal! Do not adjust your sets. Couldn't believe my ears.
Of course bold boy Dermot will now be put in the corner with a dunces hat on.

[JamieMCFC]

Arsene Wenger wrong over offside calls in Manchester City loss - ex-referees

Arsene Wenger was wrong to claim Manchester City benefited from two offside goals in their 2-1 win over Arsenal on Sunday, former officials Keith Hackett and Graham Poll have said.

Wenger hit out at referee Martin Atkinson and his assistants after the game, arguing that Leroy Sane was offside before scoring the equaliser and David Silva was distracting Arsenal goalkeeper Petr Cech when Raheem Sterling scored the winner.

The Arsenal boss said: "We conceded two offside goals, which is very difficult to accept in a game of that stature, but -- as it is well known -- the referees are protected very well like the lions in the zoo, so we have to live with those decisions."

However, Hackett, the former head of Professional Games Match Officials Ltd (PGMOL), told the Daily Telegraph on behalf of You Are The Ref: "The assistant referee Adam Nunn was correct in both decisions and, in each case, they were outstanding pieces of lining."

He added: "The training process these guys go through is to have this ringing in their head of 'wait, wait, wait and see' before you raise the flag and this was a classic illustration of that. There were fractions between the foot placings of Laurent Koscielny and Sane and we used to talk about the benefit of the doubt going to the forward."

For the Sterling goal, FIFA rules prohibit a player in an offside position from "making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent." The ruling adds: "The opponent must be reasonably close to the play so that the blocking, deceiving or distracting makes a difference."

Cech told Sky Sports after the game: "I have to say that there were players in front of the ball so I didn't see even the shot. I have to say, to be honest, there were people running across and I don't know whether one of them was David Silva or not, but I didn't see the ball because it was behind the players and obviously my reaction was late."

However, Hackett said: "Lots will say a player who is in an offside position should be ruled offside but the law has changed and it was changed to stop good goals being chalked off. Nunn correctly judged that the presence of David Silva did not impact on the Arsenal goalkeeper Petr Cech when Raheem Sterling shot.

"Cech's argument that he was unsighted is weak. Silva is a couple of yards to his right and I don't think he's impacted on him at all."

Poll, in his column for the Daily Mail, said Wenger was "understandably miffed" at the decisions but backed the officials over both.

For Sane's goal, he said "only slow motion replays can try and show for sure that Leroy Sane is marginally offside" and that, as such, giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker was the right call.

He added: "The second is more subjective as David Silva is definitively in an offside position as Raheem Sterling shoots. For the officials his position did nothing to distract or affect Petr Cech in the Arsenal goal.

"I'd agree with that view and so, not for first time, feel that Wenger needs to use his experience and knowledge to gain balance and perspective with his views on incidents."

http://www.espnfc.us/english-premier-le ... raham-poll

[london blue 2]

Wenger is a bitter old cunt.

[Justified logic]

What a load of whingers. You're worse than Wenger. If there was an agenda or a directive those goals would have been given offside by the officials. We won. Get over it.

That said, it was only playmaking Arsenal. I still fear for our defence against teams that are going to hoof it up and over rather than try to patiently play through us.

[Beefymcfc]

Cech told Sky Sports after the game: "I have to say that there were players in front of the ball so I didn't see even the shot. I have to say, to be honest, there were people running across and I don't know whether one of them was David Silva or not, but I didn't see the ball because it was behind the players and obviously my reaction was late."

That actually sounds like he didn't see Silva and was talking about the players trying to close Raheems shot down. Silva was nowhere near the ball for him to impede Cech's vision of the shot so he was obviously talking about the shot coming through the Arsenal defenders.

Once again, lost in translation after Sky forced the question.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

What a load of whingers. You're worse than Wenger. If there was an agenda or a directive those goals would have been given offside by the officials. We won. Get over it.

That said, it was only playmaking Arsenal. I still fear for our defence against teams that are going to hoof it up and over rather than try to patiently play through us.

AGREED!

[Beefymcfc]

What a load of whingers. You're worse than Wenger. If there was an agenda or a directive those goals would have been given offside by the officials. We won. Get over it.

That said, it was only playmaking Arsenal. I still fear for our defence against teams that are going to hoof it up and over rather than try to patiently play through us.

For what reason would they have been ruled out? And if there was a reason why have Sky taken up the baton to insinuate they were given incorrectly even though all and sundry have said there was nothing wrong with them?

Every decision in every game doesn't have to be bias mate, fuck me they'd look fucking stupid if they did. I suppose you believe that all was right with the Chelsea game as well?

[South Stand Balti]

Wenger is a bitter old cunt.

A French Graeme Sounness

[Justified logic]

What a load of whingers. You're worse than Wenger. If there was an agenda or a directive those goals would have been given offside by the officials. We won. Get over it.

That said, it was only playmaking Arsenal. I still fear for our defence against teams that are going to hoof it up and over rather than try to patiently play through us.

For what reason would they have been ruled out? And if there was a reason why have Sky taken up the baton to insinuate they were given incorrectly even though all and sundry have said there was nothing wrong with them?

Every decision in every game doesn't have to be bias mate, fuck me they'd look fucking stupid if they did. I suppose you believe that all was right with the Chelsea game as well?

Why would you suppose that?

Just step back and listen to yourself.

Maybe say the Serenity Prayer?

[Beefymcfc]

What a load of whingers. You're worse than Wenger. If there was an agenda or a directive those goals would have been given offside by the officials. We won. Get over it.

That said, it was only playmaking Arsenal. I still fear for our defence against teams that are going to hoof it up and over rather than try to patiently play through us.

For what reason would they have been ruled out? And if there was a reason why have Sky taken up the baton to insinuate they were given incorrectly even though all and sundry have said there was nothing wrong with them?

Every decision in every game doesn't have to be bias mate, fuck me they'd look fucking stupid if they did. I suppose you believe that all was right with the Chelsea game as well?

Why would you suppose that?

Just step back and listen to yourself.

Maybe say the Serenity Prayer?

Yeah, I suppose. It doesn't usually bother me and I'll go a while without even mentioning it and then the likes of the Chelsea game raises it's ugly head.

Thanks for putting me straight, all is good in the game.