Robinho to Santos on loan seems nailed on

[ant london]

breaking news on SSN.

mancini confirms we are in talks with santos on loan deal.

WHAT
THE
FUCK?

This has hit me from way out in left field.......gutted.

Nah, cheers for that mate, I am actually gutted, the Robinho experiment has gone a bit tits up

Interestingly have a listen to the Guardian's Football Weekly podcast where they have a very interesting section with Fernando Duarte (v good Brazilian journo who they often feature) giving his view of this and what it says about Brazilian footballers' ability to "cut it" in England, the Brazilian perception of Robinho and this move and also some views on Neymar and the other lad mooted re us having first dibs on them

Also some very funny comments on tomorrow's match from Barry Glendenning!

Well worth a listen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/seri ... ballweekly

[9secondlegend]

breaking news on SSN.

mancini confirms we are in talks with santos on loan deal.

WHAT
THE
FUCK?

This has hit me from way out in left field.......gutted.

Nah, cheers for that mate, I am actually gutted, the Robinho experiment has gone a bit tits up

Interestingly have a listen to the Guardian's Football Weekly podcast where they have a very interesting section with Fernando Duarte (v good Brazilian journo who they often feature) giving his view of this and what it says about Brazilian footballers' ability to "cut it" in England, the Brazilian perception of Robinho and this move and also some views on Neymar and the other lad mooted re us having first dibs on them

Also some very funny comments on tomorrow's match from Barry Glendenning!

Well worth a listen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/seri ... ballweekly

im gutted aswell.
even though he has been shite (a lot) i think it was just the fact that he was our record signing , big name , world famous etc etc that i really wanted everything to be ok and in time he would be getting player of year , every year for us. but in reality he was a lazy cunt and not arsed.

[shawzy]

SSN .. Mancini cant guarantee him to play in every game cuz we have so many forwards in the team.Robbie wants more game time so he gets picked for the world cup hence the 6 month loan move.

Edit..Also said he will be in the squad against the rags

[Blue Blood]

Where the fook have sao paulo come from??

Frankly i'm glad theres another bidder, i want a bidding war and city to come out best from this deal.

[ant london]

I think it warrants a good old fashioned "let's laugh at ourselves" outing of WE'VE LOST ROBINHO tomorrow

cut them off before they start

[irblinx]

Why is it that no-one that can actually afford to pay his wages wants him? Or are we just pandering to him wanting to go home?

It really is a shame that he hasn't been able to produce consistently, having said that I disagree with Ant that the experiment has failed, I reckon that 75% of the thought behind purchasing Robbie was to raise our profile and make a statement, which it absolutely did, I immediately noticed the difference whilst I was in Malaysia. The trip before everyone vaguely knew us as the club Thaksin had bought, immediately after everyone was talking about Robinho and how much money we must have. He was the only world known name available to us at the time and definitely fulfilled that part of his job.

We are now at the point where every single thing we do is reported world wide so letting Robinho go won't affect that at all now, in fact it is possibly the best outcome as we've rejected him rather than the other way round.

I will miss the lad though

[trueblue64]

SSN .. Mancini cant guarantee him to play in every game cuz we have so many forwards in the team.Robbie wants more game time so he gets picked for the world cup hence the 6 month loan move.

Edit..Also said he will be in the squad against the rags

My reply to this is, stop being a fucking cry bab,y get your finger out your arse, and play to your ability and you will be picked week in week out. Look at bellers he works his socks off so does Tev. Oh you know what I can't be arsed just fuck him off, no man is bigger than the club.

[CityFanFromRome]

Ok, I love Robinho and would hate him to leave permanently but is anybody else with me that is possibly a good move for him with it only being 6months?

It makes him happy, he gets to play constant footy, plays in the world cup with his close Brazilian friends then returns to us in pre-season pretty much fully fit and had a great summer playing football?

And then he does nothing for us again because it's known that the season after WC is often dreadful for players who have taken part in it, especially if they go all the way to the final like Brazil could, because they have had fuck all rest during the summer.

[Beeks]

Ok, I love Robinho and would hate him to leave permanently but is anybody else with me that is possibly a good move for him with it only being 6months?

It makes him happy, he gets to play constant footy, plays in the world cup with his close Brazilian friends then returns to us in pre-season pretty much fully fit and had a great summer playing football?

I think that's wishful thinking Svenny

If he goes now I can pretty much guarantee he won't pull on a City shirt ever again

The only plus point is that if he plays well over there we can get a better transfer fee when he gets sold permanently

[Blue Blood]

Ok, I love Robinho and would hate him to leave permanently but is anybody else with me that is possibly a good move for him with it only being 6months?

It makes him happy, he gets to play constant footy, plays in the world cup with his close Brazilian friends then returns to us in pre-season pretty much fully fit and had a great summer playing football?

Good in theory but can you really see him walking out that door and then wanting to come back.

If he goes even on loan for six months, he is as good as gone. He won't want to come back.

[mr_nool]

I can't help being a bit pissed off. Players should buckle down and do their best to earn a place in the starting eleven, not sulk and "force" a loan move. I also think that Robinho is way too good of a player to be loaned out - it's not like sending Ched Evans to Norwich och Big Phil to Portugal. He could still be very important for us this season and do a lot of good - it's not like we have another world class player lined up to take his place when he leaves (yet at least), and with RSC beinga constant sick note, and Ade just been through a huge trauma, we might not have that many strikers at all. We've been playing Benjani for fuck's sake!

[avoidconfusion]

Ok, I love Robinho and would hate him to leave permanently but is anybody else with me that is possibly a good move for him with it only being 6months?

It makes him happy, he gets to play constant footy, plays in the world cup with his close Brazilian friends then returns to us in pre-season pretty much fully fit and had a great summer playing football?

I think that's wishful thinking Svenny

If he goes now I can pretty much guarantee he won't pull on a City shirt ever again

The only plus point is that if he plays well over there we can get a better transfer fee when he gets sold permanently

Fully agree. Surely that is the reason why we are letting him go.

[ant london]

Ok, I love Robinho and would hate him to leave permanently but is anybody else with me that is possibly a good move for him with it only being 6months?

It makes him happy, he gets to play constant footy, plays in the world cup with his close Brazilian friends then returns to us in pre-season pretty much fully fit and had a great summer playing football?

I have only one question in my mind which prevents me from seeing this as anything but a prelude to a move elsewhere

If someone could provide me with some examples of this working out before I would genuinely be grateful as for me this seems like nothing but the end at City for Robbie

Question is....when (APART from instances of young players still under development) has a player ever taken a step away from their club to another (whether a step down (as in this case) or a sideways step) and come back and resumed their career happily and successfully at their club?

[Beeks]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... n-bid.html

Robinho tug of war - Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini reveals Sao Paulo in bid to scupper Santos loan bid
By Sportsmail Reporter
Last updated at 1:06 PM on 26th January 2010
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Sao Paulo have entered the race to sign Robinho on loan from Manchester City.

Santos are confident they will clinch a loan deal for their former player, who stunned boss Roberto Mancini at the weekend by saying he wanted to quit the club.

And while City will only let Robinho leave on their terms, Mancini revealed that there was also interest in the player from Santos's state rivals Sao Paulo.

'It is possible that something could happen,' said Mancini. 'This kind of thing does happen.

'I know in Italy there were instances when clubs paid a lot of money for a fantastic player but afterwards he needed to play at another club.

'Negotiations are happening but for now he is part of my squad.'

A high-powered delegation are flying in from Santos for face-to-face talks with City on Wednesday, but Mancini confirmed that Robinho is in his plans to face Manchester United in the League Cup semi-final second leg at Old Trafford.
The Brazil forward scored in City's 4-2 FA Cup fourth-round win at Scunthorpe on Sunday in what had been expected to be his farewell appearance.

Robinho is desperate to play regular football in the run up to the World Cup this summer.
Santos have been encouraged by initial talks with the player and his club, but City have insisted they will not pay a penny of the 26-year-old's £160,000 a week salary while he is on loan elsewhere. That decision leaves Pele's old club facing a huge struggle to finance the move.
Sao Paulo could take advantage of the uncertainty by gazumping their state rivals. And while Robinho does not have the same emotional attachment to the club, the move would offer him the chance to play in the Copa Libertadores - South America's most prestigious competition.
The Brazilian season is such that the first half of the year entails state championships, rather than the national championship. The Campeonato Paulista - Sao Paulo's competition - is the strongest in the country and got underway earlier this month.
But the real prize is the Copa Libertadores - South America's equivalent of the Champions League - for which Santos did not qualify.

[Kladze]

The thing is though can clubs like Santos and Sao Paulo afford the permanent transfer fee? Theres only Barcelona, Madrid and possibly Chelsea that could really? And if they wanted him they surely buy him now or in the summer?

Whoever ends up buiying Robinho, I think we'll be lucky to see even a half of what we paid for him.

[ant london]

The thing is though can clubs like Santos and Sao Paulo afford the permanent transfer fee? Theres only Barcelona, Madrid and possibly Chelsea that could really? And if they wanted him they surely buy him now or in the summer?

Is that for me?

If so, then....sorry.....let me be more clear. I absolutely cannot see him being signed by a Brazilian club permanently.

I also cannot see him coming back and playing (happily or successfully) for City. I see this as opportunity that is threefold.

The Brazilian club get a star
He gets match time and form for the World Cup
We get him in the shop window for one of the teams who can afford him

What I was asking for was examples of loaned (senior) players who had gone out, regained form and then happily came back and resumed careers with the clubs who actually own them. I can't think of any...certainly not in the high profile bracket. And that is why I can't see this being a good move for us in terms of thinking he'll come back.

[Wooders]

can see one of the milan clubs or juventus coming in for him or maybe we can swap him for ribery - can't see him ending up in a spanish or english club in the summer though

[john@staustell]

The thing is though can clubs like Santos and Sao Paulo afford the permanent transfer fee? Theres only Barcelona, Madrid and possibly Chelsea that could really? And if they wanted him they surely buy him now or in the summer?

Is that for me?

If so, then....sorry.....let me be more clear. I absolutely cannot see him being signed by a Brazilian club permanently.

I also cannot see him coming back and playing (happily or successfully) for City. I see this as opportunity that is threefold.

The Brazilian club get a star
He gets match time and form for the World Cup
We get him in the shop window for one of the teams who can afford him

What I was asking for was examples of loaned (senior) players who had gone out, regained form and then happily came back and resumed careers with the clubs who actually own them. I can't think of any...certainly not in the high profile bracket. And that is why I can't see this being a good move for us in terms of thinking he'll come back.

Sorry mate, no I wasnt disagreeing with what you said as I totally agree I dont believe if he returns that he will be a changed player from what he is now. But theres always that possibility. To me the whole loan deal is just fucking daft, if we are gonna get rid then why not just sell him permanently now!!

If he has a sensational World Cup he will suddenly have value again. If not I'm sure we will make the deal permanent except that we get most of any future fee of course if he wakes up again in the future.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

If someone could provide me with some examples of this working out before I would genuinely be grateful as for me this seems like nothing but the end at City for Robbie

Question is....when (APART from instances of young players still under development) has a player ever taken a step away from their club to another (whether a step down (as in this case) or a sideways step) and come back and resumed their career happily and successfully at their club?

Robbie's career is definitely over with us, Like you say Ant i can't think of any player going out on loan then coming back and being a success at their club. And also what makes me think his career is over is it's not like he's a small player for us it's ROBINHO for fuck sake what other club whould let one of their top players go out on loan if it wasnt going to be the end.

But it really is a shame that it's not worked out for him, i was buzzing when he signed for us and banging in goals left, right and centre last season. And now to see him not bothered about playing and walking off down the tunnel when being subbed it's just a slap in the face of his team mates and the fans who loved him and still do i just wish he would of dropped this stupid childish attitude.

You could of been a special part of this ride were on robbie but at the end when you look back you'll only have your self to blame.

[ant london]

Sorry mate, no I wasnt disagreeing with what you said as I totally agree I dont believe if he returns that he will be a changed player from what he is now. But theres always that possibility. To me the whole loan deal is just fucking daft, if we are gonna get rid then why not just sell him permanently now!!

If he has a sensational World Cup he will suddenly have value again. If not I'm sure we will make the deal permanent except that we get most of any future fee of course if he wakes up again in the future.

I've never done this but....actually I can't find the upwards arrows on my arabic keyboard but what he said Svenny

I don't even think we'd get 10 million for him at the moment. If he has a blinding world cup we may get 20'ish. We'll still take a bath on this but not as big a bath as we would if we sold now.

We all know he wasn't worth 32 million (maybe 25) in the first place so that wouldn't be too horrific a loss after (per the Brazilian press...not my words) him "failing in England"