Herb wrote:My personal opinion is that honour matters more than anything and that Bravo must play if he has been led to expect to.
I’d rather not collect the pot than be ashamed by my club acting dishonourably, simple as that.
With reference to the dropping of Pantilimon following Hart’s ‘toys out of the pram’ mini-mutiny, well look where that got us?
Pantilimon was treated dishonourably, which was an embarrassment to all of us (and the club carries shame for that), and the game was still lost.
I hope Bravo gets his berth so that we can all walk tall regardless of the result.
Nick wrote:Herb wrote:My personal opinion is that honour matters more than anything and that Bravo must play if he has been led to expect to.
I’d rather not collect the pot than be ashamed by my club acting dishonourably, simple as that.
With reference to the dropping of Pantilimon following Hart’s ‘toys out of the pram’ mini-mutiny, well look where that got us?
Pantilimon was treated dishonourably, which was an embarrassment to all of us (and the club carries shame for that), and the game was still lost.
I hope Bravo gets his berth so that we can all walk tall regardless of the result.
Not sure what this honour thing is about. Pantimilon was on top form, Hart wasn't. Ederson is one of the best out there and pep needs a first cup against a tough team that knocked us out last year.
Yes, bravo saved us at pens twice. That is the only arguement he had to start. Has he played well on the way? Not sure.
Difficult one but the fact that " in Spain keeper 2 plays cups no matter how shit he is " is a bollocks justification for potentially losing a cup final.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:brite blu sky wrote:mr_nool wrote:brite blu sky wrote:You could argue that Bravo has been unlucky... you'd be wasting your time but you could.
For one reason or another he is regularly unable to stop shots... it adds up and the sum is he is shit.
Take last night's shot, he saw it coming, ie he had time to get himself set. If you look closely at him in the behind the goal camera, he jumps his weight to the right just as Grigg strikes, that left Bravo with just too much to do to throw himself left to get a hand to it. That weight re-position is basically a mistake - he shouldn't be doing that at that moment, it is a goalkeeping error. I suspect he does it a lot but i haven't checked.
To put it in perspective... in the Spuds v Juve game one of the goals left Buffon flat footed - why? b'cos he did exactly the same thing, shifted his weight at the wrong moment. But if you saw Buffon's reaction he was fuming with himself, he knew he made a mistake and he knew he could have gotten a hand to it if he hadn't made that movement.
Ederson is a cooler customer, stays calm and doesn't fidget around... as a result his positioning is superior and so he gets to more and save/ blocks more attempts.
Didn't Ederson do exactly the same for Liverpool's first goal?
Plus we have already established that Bravo's got a better save percentage (albeit against poorer opponents) than Ederson this season. In other words, Ederson does not save more.
I'm not saying that Bravo is better than Ederson – in my opinion he clearly isn't – but you can't just make up things to prove your point.
Ederson did and it is why he couldn't reach it. imo he should have got something on that... it wasnt a rocket.
No idea where the stats are that say Bravo has better save ratio ( is it including penalties by any chance )... suppose i'll take your word for it.
I have watched all City games this season and i can tell you when Bravo is in goal and someone is threatening to shoot.. i'm simply expecting a goal.
Ederson on the other hand i'm confident it might not be.
So where does that feeling come from, why do i think that ?
The stats came from taking each game, counting the number of shots on target against and then counting the number of goals conceded.
I miscounted yesterday when I posted them, I said there was 29 shots on target in the cups when there were actually 26, 7 conceded, so that makes it 73% rather than the 75% I posted yesterday.
I've had a look at Ederson's, 67% in the league and a remarkable 79% in CL, so overall that's 73%.
NB this post is not intended to claim that Bravo is better than Ederson or that I'd normally pick him over Ederson, it's just to clarify their numbers.
Spider Legs wrote:If he doesn't pick his best players, and we lose, they'll be no mention of honour from the media and press, it'll be 2 cups we've 'lost' in a week. I'm praying they have no shots on target if Bravo plays.
Nick wrote:I understand honour and ethics.
I don't understand why a manger would determine his playing staff weeks/months before a game.
Bravo is on how much a week?
The team is decided based on form, objectives etc etc.
Monday meant we have one less chance of a trophy and showed that we are not "as good as we think" , ergo, pep should name a team the day before that is the best , at that time , of winning the cup.
Currently aguero isn't in that list (whole seperate debate). Would it be dishonourable to drop Sergio for Sunday? Personally if Jesus was fit, I don't think pep would start aguero.
Why is it any different to the keeper situation?
Get the league won and play bravo then.
Ultimately bravo may be sold in the summer with gunn as a more than adequate number 2 , with future prospects of challenging ederson (difficulty is ederson is so young and good)
People say we owe zaba, Vinnie and aguero nothing and there is no sentiment in football - but we will weaken our chances of winning a much needed cup by playing a keeper who has been here just 2 years, cost us many points last year and has no ties to the club? Why because pep allocates cup keepers?
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Cheers mate will look in to that,bluemoon wrote:zabbadabbado wrote:I despise paying these bastards and their army of Rag sycophants a Penny of my money. Unfortunately streams are getting harder, and harder to get, and when you do get them are becoming increasingly unreliable.I miss the days of free television (and porn ) with my Kryptview Box.I hate Richard Branson and those Nagra-vision encryption bastards .
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