World Cup | England v Panama

[PrezIke]

A good result and Southgate tries to play football in contrast to some previous managers.

Our biggest weaknesses are that while Southgate seems to set teams up well before a game, his in-game changes seem limited, and we have a very weak midfield which will be exposed against better opposition.

The FA should stick with Southgate, on condition that he adds an astute tactician for his team, and say we are building for 2022, when hopefully we will get Phil Foden and his crew coming through. I'm not holding my breath through

Pep should be listed as honorary assistant manager. It's hard to not see his influence on the way England play.

[Beefymcfc]

There's some right fucking negative fuckers on this thread....and one is the fuckign number 1 cunt that has a go at Man city thread posters ..PMSL..you couldn't make it up could you.

We all played really well and is the most exciting England team I've known since Bobby Robson's tenure....which is why I've done a U turn and am really into this WC.

P.S to the negative cunts , we can only play whats infront of us.

Good to see mate, all onboard.

[Beefymcfc]

A good result and Southgate tries to play football in contrast to some previous managers.

Our biggest weaknesses are that while Southgate seems to set teams up well before a game, his in-game changes seem limited, and we have a very weak midfield which will be exposed against better opposition.

The FA should stick with Southgate, on condition that he adds an astute tactician for his team, and say we are building for 2022, when hopefully we will get Phil Foden and his crew coming through. I'm not holding my breath through

Pep should be listed as honorary assistant manager. It's hard to not see his influence on the way England play.

Pep has had a big influence, Southgate had the chat.

[City64]

Two pub teams beaten it will get harder . Sterling and Lingard link well together , Lingard gets all the plaudits Sterling gets endless shit . Defensively Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen when up against more formidable opponents but I really like his attitude . Pleased for John Stones today but we all know there is a mistake in him aswell . Jordan Henderson does my fucking head in but he is another who somehow is exempt from media criticism ??? his work rate is decent though ! All in all about as good as it could be so far and the England team look to be growing in confidence , can Southgate come up with a tactical master class when we play a proper team though ?

Eternal optimist, eh?

That was very optimistic for me as far as England and its management goes . They did the job well PLUS the ref was very decent ............... ALL GOOD !

Compende ?

[Beefymcfc]

Two pub teams beaten it will get harder . Sterling and Lingard link well together , Lingard gets all the plaudits Sterling gets endless shit . Defensively Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen when up against more formidable opponents but I really like his attitude . Pleased for John Stones today but we all know there is a mistake in him aswell . Jordan Henderson does my fucking head in but he is another who somehow is exempt from media criticism ??? his work rate is decent though ! All in all about as good as it could be so far and the England team look to be growing in confidence , can Southgate come up with a tactical master class when we play a proper team though ?

Eternal optimist, eh?

That was very optimistic for me as far as England and its management goes . They did the job well PLUS the ref was very decent ............... ALL GOOD !

Compende ?

Fuck me, he's cheered up

[City64]

As a (semi) neutral, I really enjoy this England edition. I think your weakest point is your midfield, which will be evident when you play better teams. I actually think your best bet to make it really far in this competition would have been to emulate Liverpool rather than City. Shoot me down if you want, but a Milner/Henderson midfield is probably what you need when you come up against Spain/Germany/Brasil.

Emulate those fucking scouse cunts ?????
Take your head for a serious wobble immediately !

[mr_nool]

As a (semi) neutral, I really enjoy this England edition. I think your weakest point is your midfield, which will be evident when you play better teams. I actually think your best bet to make it really far in this competition would have been to emulate Liverpool rather than City. Shoot me down if you want, but a Milner/Henderson midfield is probably what you need when you come up against Spain/Germany/Brasil.

Emulate those fucking scouse cunts ?????
Take your head for a serious wobble immediately !

Oh give it up. I'm just saying that you don't have the personnel to play City brand football, but you could make it really far if you try to do it pure on energy and counter attacks.

[City64]

Two pub teams beaten it will get harder . Sterling and Lingard link well together , Lingard gets all the plaudits Sterling gets endless shit . Defensively Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen when up against more formidable opponents but I really like his attitude . Pleased for John Stones today but we all know there is a mistake in him aswell . Jordan Henderson does my fucking head in but he is another who somehow is exempt from media criticism ??? his work rate is decent though ! All in all about as good as it could be so far and the England team look to be growing in confidence , can Southgate come up with a tactical master class when we play a proper team though ?

Eternal optimist, eh?

That was very optimistic for me as far as England and its management goes . They did the job well PLUS the ref was very decent ............... ALL GOOD !

Compende ?

Fuck me, he's cheered up

Beefy , I bought a red ENGLAND top this morning for my pending 2 week honeymoon in Madiera . It will probably only get one outing in a bar before we get dumped out but I have made the effort !

[PrezIke]

Two pub teams beaten it will get harder . Sterling and Lingard link well together , Lingard gets all the plaudits Sterling gets endless shit . Defensively Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen when up against more formidable opponents but I really like his attitude . Pleased for John Stones today but we all know there is a mistake in him aswell . Jordan Henderson does my fucking head in but he is another who somehow is exempt from media criticism ??? his work rate is decent though ! All in all about as good as it could be so far and the England team look to be growing in confidence , can Southgate come up with a tactical master class when we play a proper team though ?

Eternal optimist, eh?

That was very optimistic for me as far as England and its management goes . They did the job well PLUS the ref was very decent ............... ALL GOOD !

Compende ?

Si, hombre.

[City64]

As a (semi) neutral, I really enjoy this England edition. I think your weakest point is your midfield, which will be evident when you play better teams. I actually think your best bet to make it really far in this competition would have been to emulate Liverpool rather than City. Shoot me down if you want, but a Milner/Henderson midfield is probably what you need when you come up against Spain/Germany/Brasil.

Emulate those fucking scouse cunts ?????
Take your head for a serious wobble immediately !

Oh give it up. I'm just saying that you don't have the personnel to play City brand football, but you could make it really far if you try to do it pure on energy and counter attacks.

Pressing game in 33 / 34 temps ? Right ok good luck with that one ! Scousers have won fuck all for decades by the way

[Beefymcfc]

Two pub teams beaten it will get harder . Sterling and Lingard link well together , Lingard gets all the plaudits Sterling gets endless shit . Defensively Maguire looks like an accident waiting to happen when up against more formidable opponents but I really like his attitude . Pleased for John Stones today but we all know there is a mistake in him aswell . Jordan Henderson does my fucking head in but he is another who somehow is exempt from media criticism ??? his work rate is decent though ! All in all about as good as it could be so far and the England team look to be growing in confidence , can Southgate come up with a tactical master class when we play a proper team though ?

Eternal optimist, eh?

That was very optimistic for me as far as England and its management goes . They did the job well PLUS the ref was very decent ............... ALL GOOD !

Compende ?

Fuck me, he's cheered up

Beefy , I bought a red ENGLAND top this morning for my pending 2 week honeymoon in Madiera . It will probably only get one outing in a bar before we get dumped out but I have made the effort !

My Mrs refused to get us some free car flags from where she works, she said she wouldn't game them on the car as they were tacky. I got them and stuck them to my front room radiator;who cares

[carl_feedthegoat]

There's some right fucking negative fuckers on this thread....and one is the fuckign number 1 cunt that has a go at Man city thread posters ..PMSL..you couldn't make it up could you.

We all played really well and is the most exciting England team I've known since Bobby Robson's tenure....which is why I've done a U turn and am really into this WC.

P.S to the negative cunts , we can only play whats infront of us.

Panama were in RED in case you had another power cut .

PMSFL

Negative cunt.

[johnny crossan]

no easy games these days......

[Beefymcfc]

no easy games these days......

Never were, but how good was that! Big you cannot celebrate that then I'm not sure what you can.

I celebrated though, just checking how many Stella I have in the fridge

[iwasthere2012]

As a (semi) neutral, I really enjoy this England edition. I think your weakest point is your midfield, which will be evident when you play better teams. I actually think your best bet to make it really far in this competition would have been to emulate Liverpool rather than City. Shoot me down if you want, but a Milner/Henderson midfield is probably what you need when you come up against Spain/Germany/Brasil.

Emulate those fucking scouse cunts ?????
Take your head for a serious wobble immediately !

Oh give it up. I'm just saying that you don't have the personnel to play City brand football, but you could make it really far if you try to do it pure on energy and counter attacks.

Pressing game in 33 / 34 temps ? Right ok good luck with that one ! Scousers have won fuck all for decades by the way

I get where Noolie is coming from but agree that playing the Liverpool way will not win you a WC tournament.
I actually thought against Tunisia you turned from City to Liverpool in the space of ten minutes in the first half. I put that chiefly down to Henderson’s instincts.
He hasn’t the confidence to keep playing possession in little triangles until the pass opens up through the channels. Instead he kept on knocking hopeful 30-40 yard balls over the top. Some came off but most didn’t.
Today at 6-0 up there was a disagreement between Walker and Stones and himself. They were telling him to keep passing to draw them out and he wanted a quicker ball forward.
A minor thing but it shows the two different philosophies or instincts.

I think Pep has had a big influence on how England are playing and also the whole group look like they are buying into whatever Southgate is instilling in them.
It’s the most I’ve enjoyed an England team in years.
We all hated the various egos and factions in past teams.

To those English fans on here still down on the media’s different handling of City players compared to others, I would say don’t buy into it. Don’t let them divide a nation’s loyalty. It’s not Raheem against Lindgard or Rashford. They all are part of the squad and all can play well.
Lindgard did very well today. So did Raheem.
TBH we know finishing is a confidence thing and Sterling is not the most natural finisher, but I don’t think you have a better forward at linking up fast attacking play.
It’s just instinctive again.

You’ve a very good young squad that will get better the more they play together but I also agree with Noolie that you are a couple of midfielders short to really play like City. You are missing a Silva or KDB.

I don’t think the back three will work against stronger opposition either. Too many square pegs in round holes.
But you never know. I haven’t seen any of gHe major teams that don’t have weaknesses.
Belgium’s defence is well dodgy and I can see you getting joy there, but you’ll have to win the midfield battle.

If I was you lot I’d be delighted with what I’ve seen so far. Get behind them. They have s genuine chance of advancing far into this competition.

[Beefymcfc]

As a (semi) neutral, I really enjoy this England edition. I think your weakest point is your midfield, which will be evident when you play better teams. I actually think your best bet to make it really far in this competition would have been to emulate Liverpool rather than City. Shoot me down if you want, but a Milner/Henderson midfield is probably what you need when you come up against Spain/Germany/Brasil.

Emulate those fucking scouse cunts ?????
Take your head for a serious wobble immediately !

Oh give it up. I'm just saying that you don't have the personnel to play City brand football, but you could make it really far if you try to do it pure on energy and counter attacks.

Pressing game in 33 / 34 temps ? Right ok good luck with that one ! Scousers have won fuck all for decades by the way

I get where Noolie is coming from but agree that playing the Liverpool way will not win you a WC tournament.
I actually thought against Tunisia you turned from City to Liverpool in the space of ten minutes in the first half. I put that chiefly down to Henderson’s instincts.
He hasn’t the confidence to keep playing possession in little triangles until the pass opens up through the channels. Instead he kept on knocking hopeful 30-40 yard balls over the top. Some came off but most didn’t.
Today at 6-0 up there was a disagreement between Walker and Stones and himself. They were telling him to keep passing to draw them out and he wanted a quicker ball forward.
A minor thing but it shows the two different philosophies or instincts.

I think Pep has had a big influence on how England are playing and also the whole group look like they are buying into whatever Southgate is instilling in them.
It’s the most I’ve enjoyed an England team in years.
We all hated the various egos and factions in past teams.

To those English fans on here still down on the media’s different handling of City players compared to others, I would say don’t buy into it. Don’t let them divide a nation’s loyalty. It’s not Raheem against Lindgard or Rashford. They all are part of the squad and all can play well.
Lindgard did very well today. So did Raheem.
TBH we know finishing is a confidence thing and Sterling is not the most natural finisher, but I don’t think you have a better forward at linking up fast attacking play.
It’s just instinctive again.

You’ve a very good young squad that will get better the more they play together but I also agree with Noolie that you are a couple of midfielders short to really play like City. You are missing a Silva or KDB.

I don’t think the back three will work against stronger opposition either. Too many square pegs in round holes.
But you never know. I haven’t seen any of gHe major teams that don’t have weaknesses.
Belgium’s defence is well dodgy and I can see you getting joy there, but you’ll have to win the midfield battle.

If I was you lot I’d be delighted with what I’ve seen so far. Get behind them. They have s genuine chance of advancing far into this competition.

A good summation mate but I'm !ost in as I didn't think Henderson was on the field!

[Beefymcfc]

I was a little worried about Poland!

[Dimples]

England have not got a hope in hell of winning this world cup. Here is why:

1. The world cup cannot be won without a midfield.
There is one midfielder in the squad - the very limited Henderson
2. The defence is unstable. It will be shredded in the knock out stages by top teams like Spain, Belgium, Brazil, etc...
(The next match against Belgium is a dead rubber. I would read nothing into that result - either way)
3. There are no World class players in the squad.
Pickford, Kane, Sterling, Deli Ali, Stones, Rashford may get there by 2022 - they are not there now
4. Southgate is a weakness at the moment (he has potential, I like the way he is heading but it will be 2022 before he gets there)
Very limited experience, picked an unbalanced squad, had two years to establish a first 11 and a style of play and did not do it.

People can get as excited as they like about scraping a win against Tunisia and hammering Panama.
All I saw was low quality opposition, no English midfield, no creativity in the middle and a defence that is very suspect.
Also, a team that is in the early stages of development. 2022 will be their time.

To me that means England will be dispatched when they face quality opposition in a match that counts i.e. the knock out stages.
That is not being negative, just realistic.

[iwasthere2012]

England have not got a hope in hell of winning this world cup. Here is why:

1. The world cup cannot be won without a midfield.
There is one midfielder in the squad - the very limited Henderson
2. The defence is unstable. It will be shredded in the knock out stages by top teams like Spain, Belgium, Brazil, etc...
(The next match against Belgium is a dead rubber. I would read nothing into that result - either way)
3. There are no World class players in the squad.
Pickford, Kane, Sterling, Deli Ali, Stones, Rashford may get there by 2022 - they are not there now
4. Southgate is a weakness at the moment (he has potential, I like the way he is heading but it will be 2022 before he gets there)
Very limited experience, picked an unbalanced squad, had two years to establish a first 11 and a style of play and did not do it.

People can get as excited as they like about scraping a win against Tunisia and hammering Panama.
All I saw was low quality opposition, no English midfield, no creativity in the middle and a defence that is very suspect.
Also, a team that is in the early stages of development. 2022 will be their time.

To me that means England will be dispatched when they face quality opposition in a match that counts i.e. the knock out stages.
That is not being negative, just realistic.

And to be fair Dimples, I would call that a very good summation.
I don’t think anyone on here is expecting England to win the WC. I see as much reason for optimism in your summing up of the team as I do in my own.

We all know the weaknesses but looking at it objectively from the outside I sometimes wonder what some English supporters are expecting.

You’ve said it yourself there. This is a project. At least you have a viable project now. A core of players that want to play proper football and by and large, are not up their own arses.

Be happy and go along with the ride. You could get lucky.

I think QFs are realistic and SF would be a bonus.
But who knows if you got that far anything could happen.
Dare to dream. It doesn’t hurt.

[Beefymcfc]

England have not got a hope in hell of winning this world cup. Here is why:

1. The world cup cannot be won without a midfield.
There is one midfielder in the squad - the very limited Henderson
2. The defence is unstable. It will be shredded in the knock out stages by top teams like Spain, Belgium, Brazil, etc...
(The next match against Belgium is a dead rubber. I would read nothing into that result - either way)
3. There are no World class players in the squad.
Pickford, Kane, Sterling, Deli Ali, Stones, Rashford may get there by 2022 - they are not there now
4. Southgate is a weakness at the moment (he has potential, I like the way he is heading but it will be 2022 before he gets there)
Very limited experience, picked an unbalanced squad, had two years to establish a first 11 and a style of play and did not do it.

People can get as excited as they like about scraping a win against Tunisia and hammering Panama.
All I saw was low quality opposition, no English midfield, no creativity in the middle and a defence that is very suspect.
Also, a team that is in the early stages of development. 2022 will be their time.

To me that means England will be dispatched when they face quality opposition in a match that counts i.e. the knock out stages.
That is not being negative, just realistic.

Fuck me right off sunshine, why don't you!