Red Rom to sabotage for City

[Wooders]

this is typical Abromivich business tactics - its what made him earn so much money in the first place, get into a position of power, then strong arm the authorities into allowing him to have his way - this time he isn't fucking with small russian business men though and he'll definately get his fingers burnt - especially as a large part of the Chelsea team will require replacing in the next couple of seasons - what then roman? Dipshit.

[Hawkeye]

This will never happen.

Platini wants clubs to show they can balance the books? Well lets start with that scum in Trafford then.....

[Ted Hughes]

this is typical Abromivich business tactics - its what made him earn so much money in the first place, get into a position of power, then strong arm the authorities into allowing him to have his way - this time he isn't fucking with small russian business men though and he'll definately get his fingers burnt - especially as a large part of the Chelsea team will require replacing in the next couple of seasons - what then roman? Dipshit.

If I was a Chelsea fan I'd be very worried because this sounds like the final act from a desperate man. Once he's had the pleasure of watching the present team, if he can't bend the rules to stop us, rather than trying to build a new one, he may just admit defeat & stop investing.

[Beefymcfc]

this is typical Abromivich business tactics - its what made him earn so much money in the first place, get into a position of power, then strong arm the authorities into allowing him to have his way - this time he isn't fucking with small russian business men though and he'll definately get his fingers burnt - especially as a large part of the Chelsea team will require replacing in the next couple of seasons - what then roman? Dipshit.

If I was a Chelsea fan I'd be very worried because this sounds like the final act from a desperate man. Once he's had the pleasure of watching the present team, if he can't bend the rules to stop us, rather than trying to build a new one, he may just admit defeat & stop investing.

I think he's already there mate and that's what has brought this on. His investment grows if there is little or no competition.

[Jammie Dodger]

If our wage bill is higher than our income over the 3 year period though, this would still mean we can't play in the Chump's league ,therefore even if we use young players & manage to get our wage bill etc within control, chances are we have no money left to compete in the transfer market for even one player without bringing in money & therefore going outside the Platini cartel's rules.

I think you've missed a point that already been made.
The Sheik owns our airline sponsor. That airline can sponsor us for a couple of hundred million a year which would easily cover our wage bill, leaving all other income for transfers and the running of the club. The other thing is that if Platini's plan comes into force I reckon the transfer value of players would plummit and probably players wages.
I also don't think this is aimed just at us, if you look at a number of Bundesliga clubs (Wolfsburg are an example) they've been backed by some very wealthy people so Platini's probably trying to help out his Bayern Munich mates as well.

[Wooders]

the other option is that one of the sheiks family could decide to invest 500 million in the team for a 1% share - there is nothing in adolf platinis plan to stop that

If these guys want to fuck with the bull, they shouldn't be suprised if they get the horns

[john@staustell]

Is there an e-mail for WAFFA we can all bombard?

Lots of ways around it either way.

City will obviously increase their income from the owner, even if he just buys 2 million shirts or something! Besides once the Sheik makes Platini an offer he cant refuse all this will go away.

As for the debtors - take the Dippers for example. They are a solvent, successful club/business, but the holding company that owns them is paid by the club to pay off it's debts. Club accounts OK though!

[mcfc1632]

So the established current cartel suddenly want to balance their books do they? Wonder why.

Good good then. As U***d and Real Madrid are around £600m in debt I will expect no major signings and a complete firesale of stars over the next 2 years as they rush to beat the deadline ....... will this happen? Will it bollocks, end of. Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea too are in mountains of debt which they have zero chance of clearing within 2 years - especially Liverpool who are skint and still trying to finance a new stadoium to boot - as I'd suggest are most of the other clubs in the current G14.

It's hyperbole that is unworkable in real life and any such case against a single club would either bring virtually all the others down, or be completely thrown out. Imagine Uefa being allowed to pick through some of the dodgy finances of these clubs - not a chance.

I'll be expecting a Champions League with Ajax winning it every year then!

John68 - spot on analysis too on City's quick moves this summer.

But....... "Good good then. As U***d and Real Madrid are around £600m in debt I will expect no major signings and a complete firesale of stars over the next 2 years as they rush to beat the deadline.............." will not happen - or need to happen - the 'emerging policies' are designed to protect the exposures of the scum and RM

I read a fuller article on the BBC web site in which Platini explicitly states that it is fine to have big loans from banks so long as your revenue can service the debt - etc

This looks after the scum as they can show there revenue from matches (cos they get 78,000) and sponsorships etc can service their debts

We fans should not seek to explain this away through logic and the options we have etc - this is simply and blatantly a move by self-interest groups to protect the status quo - and what regulations come forward will be whatever it takes to 'stop Man City' and not be an issue to the 'old school'

The last resort (well maybe not the last) will be what the RM president was saying about setting up a European League "...so that the top teams are guaranteed to play each other) - my worry is that Platini knows (has probably been told!!) that he has a couple of years to stop this threat of these clubs will set up their own league

We need to act carefully - and ruthlessly - but in the right balance - thankfully our owners and their representatives seem highly profesdsional people that will be up for this challenge - but a big challenge it will be

[Slim]

Yeah, they are dumping debtors out the competition, only teams with a negative running balance.

It is yet another design to keep the big clubs big and the rest at the kids table.

I hope the filth fail to make their payment come 2014 and the liquidators come in, I will be flying there specifically to piss on the ashes of the that shithole.

[Ted Hughes]

If our wage bill is higher than our income over the 3 year period though, this would still mean we can't play in the Chump's league ,therefore even if we use young players & manage to get our wage bill etc within control, chances are we have no money left to compete in the transfer market for even one player without bringing in money & therefore going outside the Platini cartel's rules.

I think you've missed a point that already been made.
The Sheik owns our airline sponsor. That airline can sponsor us for a couple of hundred million a year which would easily cover our wage bill, leaving all other income for transfers and the running of the club. The other thing is that if Platini's plan comes into force I reckon the transfer value of players would plummit and probably players wages.
I also don't think this is aimed just at us, if you look at a number of Bundesliga clubs (Wolfsburg are an example) they've been backed by some very wealthy people so Platini's probably trying to help out his Bayern Munich mates as well.

No mate, he's adressed this one as well. Something along the lines of not being able to receive sponsorship from the owners indirectly through other companies, consequently if you've got a huge turnover you can be in debt up to your eyeballs but if your finance comes directly or indirectly from the owner you can't play in the chumps league. Don't be fooled that this is anything other than a direct attack on us. They're all going to gang together & try to make rules specifically to stop us.

I would imagine a short presentation from either the UEFA lawyers or our own representatives will be enough to persuade him stop this in it's tracks but if he sticks with it, things will get seriously nasty in the courts & he'll lose.

[avoidconfusion]

Although this really makes my blood boil... it's not because I am worried. I am not... they want to do this by 2012? Good luck to them, by then we should be well established already and certainly won't have to spend 100+m per window anymore.

But what really makes my blood boil is the fact that twats like Abramovich support his now because now it suits them. There is a bigger bully now in the game and they are crying for their mothers now after they bullied everyone for years.

[Slim]

Although this really makes my blood boil... it's not because I am worried. I am not... they want to do this by 2012? Good luck to them, by then we should be well established already and certainly won't have to spend 100+m per window anymore.

But what really makes my blood boil is the fact that twats like Abramovich support his now because now it suits them. There is a bigger bully now in the game and they are crying for their mothers now after they bullied everyone for years.

We would have to create revenue that sustains a massive wage bill at that point.

The solution is to sell the players contracts to the Sheikh's new company "MSI" and loan them to the club, costing us nothing.

[CITYSTEVEDON]

Uefa's stance towards Manchester U***d would be intriguing to hear. The accounts for 2007-08 showed debts of £699m, which related to the Glazers' purchase of the club. There are similarities with Tom Hicks's and George Gillett's takeover of Liverpool. This is not, of course, an exclusively Premier League topic. Some analysts estimate that Real Madrid's current transfer spree will take their borrowings to well over £800m.

and of course chelsea with there -67mill wont be able to go in champs league would they, you can feel for them NOT

[Ted Hughes]

Although this really makes my blood boil... it's not because I am worried. I am not... they want to do this by 2012? Good luck to them, by then we should be well established already and certainly won't have to spend 100+m per window anymore.

But what really makes my blood boil is the fact that twats like Abramovich support his now because now it suits them. There is a bigger bully now in the game and they are crying for their mothers now after they bullied everyone for years.

We would have to create revenue that sustains a massive wage bill at that point.

The solution is to sell the players contracts to the Sheikh's new company "MSI" and loan them to the club, costing us nothing.

They'll just bring in a rule to stop it. If they do persist with this I can't see any outcome other than a court case or at least the threat of legal action but I can't see any possible scenario where we'd lose such a case so presumably the UEFA lawyers will tell Platini that.

[Slim]

Although this really makes my blood boil... it's not because I am worried. I am not... they want to do this by 2012? Good luck to them, by then we should be well established already and certainly won't have to spend 100+m per window anymore.

But what really makes my blood boil is the fact that twats like Abramovich support his now because now it suits them. There is a bigger bully now in the game and they are crying for their mothers now after they bullied everyone for years.

We would have to create revenue that sustains a massive wage bill at that point.

The solution is to sell the players contracts to the Sheikh's new company "MSI" and loan them to the club, costing us nothing.

They'll just bring in a rule to stop it. If they do persist with this I can't see any outcome other than a court case or at least the threat of legal action but I can't see any possible scenario where we'd lose such a case so presumably the UEFA lawyers will tell Platini that.

Fine, they will dump enough cash into the manchester city accounts that the interest alone will sustain us. Trust me these arabs are gonna be knocking over cleverer ideas than you and I can come up with.

[Wooders]

There is already a rule to stop it remember? Carlos Teves? Kia Joorchabin ? This ringing any bells?

[david yearsley]

Much as I hate slimey tosspot Perez at Madrid , his idea of a grandiose breakaway league is not that far fetched considering Platallini´s machinations

[Slim]

Much as I hate slimey tosspot Perez at Madrid , his idea of a grandiose breakaway league is not that far fetched considering Platallini´s machinations

I was thinking the same thing a while back, but I think this time Platini's is firmly on the side the established order.

[Ted Hughes]

Although this really makes my blood boil... it's not because I am worried. I am not... they want to do this by 2012? Good luck to them, by then we should be well established already and certainly won't have to spend 100+m per window anymore.

But what really makes my blood boil is the fact that twats like Abramovich support his now because now it suits them. There is a bigger bully now in the game and they are crying for their mothers now after they bullied everyone for years.

We would have to create revenue that sustains a massive wage bill at that point.

The solution is to sell the players contracts to the Sheikh's new company "MSI" and loan them to the club, costing us nothing.

They'll just bring in a rule to stop it. If they do persist with this I can't see any outcome other than a court case or at least the threat of legal action but I can't see any possible scenario where we'd lose such a case so presumably the UEFA lawyers will tell Platini that.

Fine, they will dump enough cash into the manchester city accounts that the interest alone will sustain us. Trust me these arabs are gonna be knocking over cleverer ideas than you and I can come up with.

I think what Platini is suggesting is that you're basically not allowed to just have money! You have to prove that you could generate an amount of money each season by selling shirts, tickets etc & not money coming from the owner or his companies otherwise you can't spend it. It will be ok though to be in billions of debt, provided that debt isn't owed to anything connected with your owner.

So the rags can show in their books that they generate 'x' amount per season, therefore they can spend 'y' on players/wages even though their debt is 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'. We on the othe hand only generate 20% of 'x' so we're only allowed to spend 20% of 'y' on players/wages which means we can't even keep the players we've got now even though we've got an owner who's willing to GIVE us '££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££'.

It's a direct attack on us & I'm pretty sure we won't stand for it if it happens, (which I don't believe it will anyway.)

[david yearsley]

So the big conspiracy eh? Me thinks our Gallic friend will tie himself up in so many legal knots he´ll look like a rolled up joint on the meat counter at Sainsburys!