Real 'Bottled It'

[Ted Hughes]

Fuck it then

I'll tell you what...lets NOT defend our club and back it to the hilt

Lets fucking jump on the media bandwagon and put the boot in too

fucking unbelievable

Out of all the deals that fell through without even a whisper, is it realistic to think that Gago's agent got together with Real Madrid as part of some worldwide conspiracy to slag off City or more likely that something we did has pissed them off?

Ok Ted

Say if it is true

Do we really need to rub their faces in it when the rest of the footballing world are doing a good job on their own?

Jesus...you would think our club has never made a cock up before the way some of you go on

I will defend the club to the hilt...regardless...blood is thicker than water...and City are as part of my family as anyone

I don't see Gary Cook as being a true representation of our club mate.

[blootoof]

I'm glad we are finally in a position to piss people off. Fuckem, they're all greedy bastards anyway.

Shame we didn't put a 750 million bid in for that Norwich striker, whats he called? Wayne Rooney! only to tell them to get fucked last minute. Now that would be pissin someone off.

[ant london]

I know what you're saying Ted but I think a lot of the bitterness from clubs and agents come from the financial gain that they miss out on when deals don't happen with us. We are the new rich kids on the block and I am pretty sure the big boys expect that they can just mug us off. When we then play hardball and walk away they start bleating.

To clarify, I am not saying that we are blameless in any of this...far from it. I just think the truth is somewhere between what they say and what we'd hope (ie. it is totally their fault and not ours)

[BobKowalski]

Well who the hell knows what really happened save those that were actively involved but as Gago is now stuck at RM I don't expect his agent to start slagging off the club that he currently plays for (unless his agent is monumentally stupid) and next week there will be a stories about how Gago never really wanted to leave RM and that his heart will always be with them etc etc

If City have made mistakes then lessons should be learnt and if they are not learnt then employ better people. But I'll need more than the word of a disgruntled agent whose wife is giving him grief over having to cancel there summer hols before I start venting .

[Wooders]

Well who the hell knows what really happened save those that were actively involved but as Gago is now stuck at RM I don't expect his agent to start slagging off the club that he currently plays for (unless his agent is monumentally stupid) and next week there will be a stories about how Gago never really wanted to leave RM and that his heart will always be with them etc etc

If City have made mistakes then lessons should be learnt and if they are not learnt then employ better people. But I'll need more than the word of a disgruntled agent whose wife is giving him grief over having to cancel there summer hols before I start venting .

FFS....

"They had nothing prepared, not even one document signed," Real's sporting director Jorge Valdano told El Pais. "They had not reached an agreement with the player and they would have had to have done everything in 40 minutes."

[OliverHardy]

it completely amazes me that some City fans can slate the club so quickly based on the hearsay of media hacks.
pathetic

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

it completely amazes me that some City fans can slate the club so quickly based on the hearsay of media hacks.
pathetic

It completely amazes me that every single post you make is maoning about this site or the posters on it.

[Wooders]

it completely amazes me that some City fans can slate the club so quickly based on the hearsay of media hacks.
pathetic

FUCKING HELL

I GIVE UP ON THIS THREAD

[ant london]

Well who the hell knows what really happened save those that were actively involved but as Gago is now stuck at RM I don't expect his agent to start slagging off the club that he currently plays for (unless his agent is monumentally stupid) and next week there will be a stories about how Gago never really wanted to leave RM and that his heart will always be with them etc etc

If City have made mistakes then lessons should be learnt and if they are not learnt then employ better people. But I'll need more than the word of a disgruntled agent whose wife is giving him grief over having to cancel there summer hols before I start venting .

FFS....

"They had nothing prepared, not even one document signed," Real's sporting director Jorge Valdano told El Pais. "They had not reached an agreement with the player and they would have had to have done everything in 40 minutes."

No...FFS you Wooders

How fucking complex do you think an agreement for someone like Gago would be?

All you would need to change is the numbers in certain bloody clauses (how long for, what's included, how much).

YES for someone like Ronaldo or Beckham (ie players with more power when it comes to image rights etc) the contracts would be more complex to draft and agree but for this lad, it would be pretty straightforward.

They would have all this shit drafted and subject to minor alterations/additions agreeing would be a piece of piss. I can't believe you are so fucking naive as to believe that lying duplicitous cunt Valdano and damn our club. You utter plonker (in this instance...no offence like ;-) )

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Well who the hell knows what really happened save those that were actively involved but as Gago is now stuck at RM I don't expect his agent to start slagging off the club that he currently plays for (unless his agent is monumentally stupid) and next week there will be a stories about how Gago never really wanted to leave RM and that his heart will always be with them etc etc

If City have made mistakes then lessons should be learnt and if they are not learnt then employ better people. But I'll need more than the word of a disgruntled agent whose wife is giving him grief over having to cancel there summer hols before I start venting .

FFS....

"They had nothing prepared, not even one document signed," Real's sporting director Jorge Valdano told El Pais. "They had not reached an agreement with the player and they would have had to have done everything in 40 minutes."

No...FFS you Wooders

How fucking complex do you think an agreement for someone like Gago would be?

All you would need to change is the numbers in certain bloody clauses (how long for, what's included, how much).

YES for someone like Ronaldo or Beckham (ie players with more power when it comes to image rights etc) the contracts would be more complex to draft and agree but for this lad, it would be pretty straightforward.

They would have all this shit drafted and subject to minor alterations/additions agreeing would be a piece of piss. I can't believe you are so fucking naive as to believe that lying duplicitous cunt Valdano and damn our club. You utter plonker (in this instance...no offence like ;-) )

For what it's worth, I agree with Woodie Woodpecker.
I think it's almost insulting to make some halfarsed bid for a player 40 mins before deadline and then expect the player to agree personal terms in 30 minutes. To decide about where he is going to spend next few years in 30 mins.

Oh, and there's the little detail of work permit. Although we have learned our lesson about it now. Right?

I think this was handled amateurish, especially if he was Robbie Manc's main target.

[Beeks]

I can't believe you are so fucking naive as to believe that lying duplicitous cunt Valdano and damn our club.

Exactly...Woooders talking like what Valdano says is gospel...funniest fucking thing i've heard in years

I'd trust Charlie Manson over that slimy fucker

[Alex Sapphire]

How fucking complex do you think an agreement for someone like Gago would be?

All you would need to change is the numbers in certain bloody clauses (how long for, what's included, how much).

YES for someone like Ronaldo or Beckham (ie players with more power when it comes to image rights etc) the contracts would be more complex to draft and agree but for this lad, it would be pretty straightforward.

They would have all this shit drafted and subject to minor alterations/additions agreeing would be a piece of piss. I can't believe you are so fucking naive as to believe that lying duplicitous cunt Valdano and damn our club. You utter plonker (in this instance...no offence like ;-) )

you're making this up as you go along aren't you? :-)
I dare say he's not "so naive" as to buy this BS.
There is a set of paperwork required, and a transfer is not going to happen if the paperwork doesnt get signed by all parties and sent to the appropriate authorities. That's fact
Whether City had any intention of signing Gago is another matter

[ant london]

For what it's worth, I agree with Woodie Woodpecker.
I think it's almost insulting to make some halfarsed bid for a player 40 mins before deadline and then expect the player to agree personal terms in 30 minutes. To decide about where he is going to spend next few years in 30 mins.

Oh, and there's the little detail of work permit. Although we have learned our lesson about it now. Right?

I think this was handled amateurish, especially if he was Robbie Manc's main target.

Some days it is like being on the special bus talking with you lot

But I am feeling indulgent today so here we go (in reverse order)

I and you know he wasn't Mancini's main target. I'd say order of preference looked to be 1) Flamini 2)Mariga 3) Gago. Gago was always a decent second choice but was clearly never first pick especially at the prices Real were quoting.

Work permit would be a foregone conclusion on the basis of the facts set out earlier by Mr Sapphire.

We had clearly talked outline terms with Gago's agent during this process and knew we could play in the right ballpark to land him. If someone offers me a new job (that I have already indicated that I'm interested in) and a cracking financial package, and I am keen to move jobs...I don't actually think my decision making process would take that long.

You are entitled to your views as to how professionally it was handled, just as I am in my view that some of you are unbelievably naive as to how these kind of deals work

[Wooders]

Did Gago want to come? Yes
Did Real want to sell? Yes
Did Mariga want to sign? Yes
Did Parma want to sell? Yes
Could Mariga have gotten a work permit if we had our act together? Yes

Did Gago or Mariga sign? No.

But its not our fault. Its a press conspiracy.

[Alex Sapphire]

For what it's worth, I agree with Woodie Woodpecker.
I think it's almost insulting to make some halfarsed bid for a player 40 mins before deadline and then expect the player to agree personal terms in 30 minutes. To decide about where he is going to spend next few years in 30 mins.

Oh, and there's the little detail of work permit. Although we have learned our lesson about it now. Right?

I think this was handled amateurish, especially if he was Robbie Manc's main target.

Some days it is like being on the special bus talking with you lot

But I am feeling indulgent today so here we go (in reverse order)

I and you know he wasn't Mancini's main target. I'd say order of preference looked to be 1) Flamini 2)Mariga 3) Gago. Gago was always a decent second choice but was clearly never first pick especially at the prices Real were quoting.

Work permit would be a foregone conclusion on the basis of the facts set out earlier by Mr Sapphire.

We had clearly talked outline terms with Gago's agent during this process and knew we could play in the right ballpark to land him. If someone offers me a new job (that I have already indicated that I'm interested in) and a cracking financial package, and I am keen to move jobs...I don't actually think my decision making process would take that long.

You are entitled to your views as to how professionally it was handled, just as I am in my view that some of you are unbelievably naive as to how these kind of deals work

Just remind me.
which of these three targets signed for us?

[Ted Hughes]

For what it's worth, I agree with Woodie Woodpecker.
I think it's almost insulting to make some halfarsed bid for a player 40 mins before deadline and then expect the player to agree personal terms in 30 minutes. To decide about where he is going to spend next few years in 30 mins.

Oh, and there's the little detail of work permit. Although we have learned our lesson about it now. Right?

I think this was handled amateurish, especially if he was Robbie Manc's main target.

Some days it is like being on the special bus talking with you lot

But I am feeling indulgent today so here we go (in reverse order)

I and you know he wasn't Mancini's main target. I'd say order of preference looked to be 1) Flamini 2)Mariga 3) Gago. Gago was always a decent second choice but was clearly never first pick especially at the prices Real were quoting.

Work permit would be a foregone conclusion on the basis of the facts set out earlier by Mr Sapphire.

We had clearly talked outline terms with Gago's agent during this process and knew we could play in the right ballpark to land him. If someone offers me a new job (that I have already indicated that I'm interested in) and a cracking financial package, and I am keen to move jobs...I don't actually think my decision making process would take that long.

You are entitled to your views as to how professionally it was handled, just as I am in my view that some of you are unbelievably naive as to how these kind of deals work

Just remind me.
which of these three targets signed for us?

He he.

[ant london]

you're making this up as you go along aren't you? :-)
I dare say he's not "so naive" as to buy this BS.
There is a set of paperwork required, and a transfer is not going to happen if the paperwork doesnt get signed by all parties and sent to the appropriate authorities. That's fact
Whether City had any intention of signing Gago is another matter

Some of these contracts would be bespoke, most would be completely boilerplate clauses. (I made that up too ;-) )

Of course there is a set of paperwork required but it would be do-able in that timeframe I assure you

And you can take that to the bank

[Alex Sapphire]

you're making this up as you go along aren't you? :-)
I dare say he's not "so naive" as to buy this BS.
There is a set of paperwork required, and a transfer is not going to happen if the paperwork doesnt get signed by all parties and sent to the appropriate authorities. That's fact
Whether City had any intention of signing Gago is another matter

Some of these contracts would be bespoke, most would be completely boilerplate clauses. (I made that up too ;-) )

Of course there is a set of paperwork required but it would be do-able in that timeframe I assure you

And you can take that to the bank

i'm trying not to feel patronised, but you're making it hard.
In the lying spaniard's view it would not have been possible.And if you believe you are the only guy on this board who has been involved in complex business transactions you are, I am sure, mistaken, and naive for thinking so.

[DoomMerchant]

Ant plus ibh. A classic British tag Team.

Interestingly. I agree with you both. We were mistaken in thinking that we could get a work permit for mariga which honestly would have been granted to the scum or arsenal based almost purely on their reputation. Lesson learned. Gago miss is actually luck. He'd have been average IMHO.

[Original Dub]

Look, I'm always looking for ways to defend my club whenever I hear bullshit in the media, but with regards to transfers since the takeover, there has been too many complaints over the way we do business.... for whatever reasons.

As one man, whom I have huge respect for, once said:

"Man, if EVERBODY is calling you a junkie, then you are smoking crack."