Welcome Bernardo Silva

[Scatman]

The team should wear t shirts in support of him next home game to see how the media react

[Hazy2]

No agenda eh, fucking wankers running our great clubs name through the gutters at every chance !

[Harry Dowd scored]

It make me wonder what kind of country we have become. A silly tweet to a mate, that has resulted in charges that could tarnish the boys reputation for good. Meanwhile real bigots get away with vile abuse, sad country, sad world, I despair. It’s about time people that que up to be offended are told to fuck off !

[BlueChowder]

Surely it's only offensive if the person who it is intended for takes offence, or are we back to the snowflake problem.

I hope this was sarcasm. If this was a private conversation then fair enough, but not when you post it on publicly accessible social media with hundreds of thousands of followers.

As some have already said, no one is disputing that Bernardo is not racist by nature or had any intent to offend. What matters is that it is perfectly reasonable for a black person to read that post and feel offended by it.

What does NOT matter are the following:

1. Other “more racist” behaviour, especially if they are from “back in our day”. Just because some other racism went unpunished doesn’t make his actions ok or him suddenly innocent.

2. Our personal definitions of what other groups of people are allowed to be offended or not offended by. Thinking one is in the position to judge this is (unintentionally) bigoted.

3. What proportion of people gunning for Bernardo’s head actually feel passionate about fighting racism or just want to see our club suffer. Again irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that he made a mistake.

If Bernardo had made a simple apology stating that he should have been more responsible and sensitive about the reactions of his audience it wouldn’t be an admission of being a racist at all, rather it would have been a very positive reflection on his personality.

Instead his unrepentant tweet in reply makes it now very difficult for him to avoid punishment, lest he become a future precedent deeming similar behaviour in the future acceptable. (what many are already doing in point 1 above)

That said while I agree some form of punishment is fair and understandable, this 6 match ban being thrown around the media is absolutely ridiculous and over the top.

It’s also just sad to see so many people still think you have to be a racist to engage in racism, that it’s only racism if you actually hate the person or people, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

[Mase]

Someone has pointed out Wayne Hennessey was cleared of doing a Nazi salute...

[Mase]

, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

How can black people be racist against their own race?

[Scatman]

, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

How can black people be racist against their own race?

You can be black and still think blacks are worse than whites can't you?

[Hazy2]

Someone has pointed out Wayne Hennessey was cleared of doing a Nazi salute...

Point.

[Harry Dowd scored]

Surely it's only offensive if the person who it is intended for takes offence, or are we back to the snowflake problem.

I hope this was sarcasm. If this was a private conversation then fair enough, but not when you post it on publicly accessible social media with hundreds of thousands of followers.

As some have already said, no one is disputing that Bernardo is not racist by nature or had any intent to offend. What matters is that it is perfectly reasonable for a black person to read that post and feel offended by it.

What does NOT matter are the following:

1. Other “more racist” behaviour, especially if they are from “back in our day”. Just because some other racism went unpunished doesn’t make his actions ok or him suddenly innocent.

2. Our personal definitions of what other groups of people are allowed to be offended or not offended by. Thinking one is in the position to judge this is (unintentionally) bigoted.

3. What proportion of people gunning for Bernardo’s head actually feel passionate about fighting racism or just want to see our club suffer. Again irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that he made a mistake.

If Bernardo had made a simple apology stating that he should have been more responsible and sensitive about the reactions of his audience it wouldn’t be an admission of being a racist at all, rather it would have been a very positive reflection on his personality.

Instead his unrepentant tweet in reply makes it now very difficult for him to avoid punishment, lest he become a future precedent deeming similar behaviour in the future acceptable. (what many are already doing in point 1 above)

That said while I agree some form of punishment is fair and understandable, this 6 match ban being thrown around the media is absolutely ridiculous and over the top.

It’s also just sad to see so many people still think you have to be a racist to engage in racism, that it’s only racism if you actually hate the person or people, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

Put this in perspective, One guy posts something he perceives as funny,( bearing in mind this image is not deemed racist in is own country) to his mate, his mate does not take offence, tweets back some emoji. Okay it should have been private this sad day and age, but it wasn’t, so fucking what !
Your number 2 comment is little short of dystopian, people have the right to their opinions, and should be free to express them, we fought a war to protect this.
We do not want the gestapo/KGB knocking on our doors at dawn to throw us in a gulag never to be seen again. What a shocking state things have come too.
Yes racism is abhorrent ( it used to be called racialism but was to hard to spell by the thugs) but picking on things that are not overtly racist, REAL racism can be overlooked, it is tantamount to trivialising real racism by making issue of non racist matters.

[Sideshow Bob]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

This, this and this.

[Harry Dowd scored]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

So as things get worse until eventually you will hardly be able to speak, you will stand by and do nothing. Fucking good job guys like you were not in the trenches, or when the trade unions were formed to try and stop slavery in the mills and factories.

[Mase]

, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

How can black people be racist against their own race?

You can be black and still think blacks are worse than whites can't you?

Does that make you racist? I think black people are in general more athletic than white people. I've generalised so does that make me racist? Am I racist against black people for generalising or against white people for saying they're less athletic?

See how fuckin stupid it is?

[Crossie]

If Walker tweeted a picture of Tin Tin and Kevin De Bruyne would that be racist?

If Kev said it was, then maybe there’s an argument. Kev would think it was funny, so did Mendy.

[BlueChowder]

, or that the fight against racism is mostly about those thugs shouting the N word on the street.

How can black people be racist against their own race?

You can be black and still think blacks are worse than whites can't you?

Does that make you racist? I think black people are in general more athletic than white people. I've generalised so does that make me racist? Am I racist against black people for generalising or against white people for saying they're less athletic?

See how fuckin stupid it is?

I’m going to go a bit off track here but I think one of the biggest obstacles towards resolving racism in an objective manner, is the lumping together of committing racism and racist people.

You don’t have to be Nazi Germany killing Jews to commit racism. Likewise someone who commits casual racism by making an insensitive comment out of ignorance and offending the person next to him isn’t a racist person and shouldn’t be labelled as such.

The mob instinct to pounce on every instance of casual racism by calling the dude a racist only understandably makes that person defensive and doesn’t help the issue at all.

We all have our own standards of what is offensive or racism, which is precisely why we shouldn’t impose these standards on others. If someone is offended and is emotionally harmed by something I think is trivial, do I have the right to judge them as an overly sensitive snowflake? Absolutely.

But is it also so difficult to have a little empathy to just apologise and move on?

Edit/TLDR: people should be able to apologise and admit to unintentionally making insensitive comments regarding race without being labelled a racist.

[BlueChowder]

https://time.com/5662957/news-anchor-sa ... e-gorilla/

This is how it should have gone down.

Does it matter if the apology was sincere or if she (and her co-anchor) was possibly just reading from a prepared script? No. What matters is she swallowed her pride and did the damage control to make the best out of the situation.

[mr_nool]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

So as things get worse until eventually you will hardly be able to speak, you will stand by and do nothing. Fucking good job guys like you were not in the trenches, or when the trade unions were formed to try and stop slavery in the mills and factories.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Those parallels just doesn't make any sense at all.

[mr_nool]

If Walker tweeted a picture of Tin Tin and Kevin De Bruyne would that be racist?

If Kev said it was, then maybe there’s an argument. Kev would think it was funny, so did Mendy.

Since when is Tintin a racial caricature? Better examples would be if someone likened a Jewish player with a caricature of a big-nosed Jew, or an East Asian player with a yellow face with slanted eyes, portruding front teeth and a small penis.

[Harry Dowd scored]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

So as things get worse until eventually you will hardly be able to speak, you will stand by and do nothing. Fucking good job guys like you were not in the trenches, or when the trade unions were formed to try and stop slavery in the mills and factories.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Those parallels just doesn't make any sense at all.

Sorry, what I was trying to articulate but failed, was that things are getting that bad freedom of expression and speech are seriously under threat, and those values have taken years of fighting both the established elite and fascism, and should not be passively given up. Hope this helps

[mr_nool]

you can rail against the "PC culture" all you want, but it won't change a thing. the fact of the matter is that in today's society bernardo's tweet is considered offensive, and he was stupid to post it. he made a mistake. he will be punished. the FA will make an example of him. it is what it is.

So as things get worse until eventually you will hardly be able to speak, you will stand by and do nothing. Fucking good job guys like you were not in the trenches, or when the trade unions were formed to try and stop slavery in the mills and factories.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Those parallels just doesn't make any sense at all.

Sorry, what I was trying to articulate but failed, was that things are getting that bad freedom of expression and speech are seriously under threat, and those values have taken years of fighting both the established elite and fascism, and should not be passively given up. Hope this helps

Ah, ok then it's a bit clearer, although I still think it's very far fetched. Freedom of speech is still alive. Bernardo can say what he wants, but he's under contract from the FA, so if he breaks their ethical rules, he's at fault – that's, in my opinion, unrelated to free speech.

I also don't think that it's the PC people of the world are areal threat to the world the men in the trenches and the unions wanted to create (even if PC often is taken too far). For fuck's sake, there are real fascists in power nowadays.