***City v Spurs (A) | Official Match Thread***

[john@staustell]

Reading a lot of comments it goes a little deeper than just this game and that many have lost trust in Guardiola to manage this squad.

Is this now the point where we look elsewhere to have a chance of winning the CL?

It's a good wake up call because these are the best times we have had or ever will have. When he's gone it's all downhill from there. Hopefully not as far down the hill as we suffered before!

He's just so fuckin frustrating

[Mase]

Reading a lot of comments it goes a little deeper than just this game and that many have lost trust in Guardiola to manage this squad.

Is this now the point where we look elsewhere to have a chance of winning the CL?

It's a good wake up call because these are the best times we have had or ever will have. When he's gone it's all downhill from there. Hopefully not as far down the hill as we suffered before!

He's just so fuckin frustrating

Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Silva etc have all left and we’ve kept on winning. Chelsea have just won the CL without Pep as manager. I’m sure we’ll be okay after Pep has left.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Reading a lot of comments it goes a little deeper than just this game and that many have lost trust in Guardiola to manage this squad.

Is this now the point where we look elsewhere to have a chance of winning the CL?

It's a good wake up call because these are the best times we have had or ever will have. When he's gone it's all downhill from there. Hopefully not as far down the hill as we suffered before!

He's just so fuckin frustrating

Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Silva etc have all left and we’ve kept on winning. Chelsea have just won the CL without Pep as manager. I’m sure we’ll be okay after Pep has left.

I find it incredible that some fans think we will be fucked if he left FFS!!!...They need reminding that the top top clubs in the world chop and change managers all the time yet still win their respective leagues and a few CL's thrown in as well !!

The melt down will be epic!!

[branny]

We all know that Son seems to have a purple patch against City. I still don't understand why Ake didn't close him down , and guide him to the corner flag, or even tackle him before he got to the penalty area, mendy was behind him . I am afraid Ake just isn't good enough. He is an ok player but we can't rely on him in big matches. Pep should have known better yesterday and started Walker right Cancelo left and Stones in the middle. Son should have been nobbled in the first half. take the yellow card.

I was shocked how Taylor let the time run down in the second half. Spuds got lucky and it was annoying to see so much deliberate time wasting.

Ake didn't do what you suggest because he was covering for the absent Mendy. Mendyvonly came into the picture when Son cut back on to his left foot and then was as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

That's how I saw it. When he eventually caught up with he was too far away from Ake to effectively double up on Son so did nothing to affect the play. May as well have not been there.

[john@staustell]

Reading a lot of comments it goes a little deeper than just this game and that many have lost trust in Guardiola to manage this squad.

Is this now the point where we look elsewhere to have a chance of winning the CL?

It's a good wake up call because these are the best times we have had or ever will have. When he's gone it's all downhill from there. Hopefully not as far down the hill as we suffered before!

He's just so fuckin frustrating

Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Silva etc have all left and we’ve kept on winning. Chelsea have just won the CL without Pep as manager. I’m sure we’ll be okay after Pep has left.

I find it incredible that some fans think we will be fucked if he left FFS!!!...They need reminding that the top top clubs in the world chop and change managers all the time yet still win their respective leagues and a few CL's thrown in as well !!

The melt down will be epic!!

Well we'll see

[Dimples]

Reading a lot of comments it goes a little deeper than just this game and that many have lost trust in Guardiola to manage this squad.

Is this now the point where we look elsewhere to have a chance of winning the CL?

It's a good wake up call because these are the best times we have had or ever will have. When he's gone it's all downhill from there. Hopefully not as far down the hill as we suffered before!

He's just so fuckin frustrating

Yaya, Aguero, Kompany, Silva etc have all left and we’ve kept on winning. Chelsea have just won the CL without Pep as manager. I’m sure we’ll be okay after Pep has left.

I find it incredible that some fans think we will be fucked if he left FFS!!!...They need reminding that the top top clubs in the world chop and change managers all the time yet still win their respective leagues and a few CL's thrown in as well !!

The melt down will be epic!!

Well we'll see

As the song says you don't know what you are missing until it is gone.

The Rags have not won the PL since Ferguson left.
Arsenal are in free fall since Wenger left.
Dippers got through a lot of managers before Klopp.
Leeds dived after Revie.

What is fact is that we have won 3 of the last 4 PLs with Pep in charge. Would his replacement be able to do that - highly unlikely.

[Mase]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

[Dimples]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

[nottsblue]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

All true

I think when ultimately comparing Pep and his eventual replacement, for a lot of people it will depend the CL, or whatever derivative that competition has become. Take Klopp and Pep for example. Klopp has won the PL and the CL. Pep has won 3 PL 4LC and the FA cup. But he is missing the big one. If Peps replacement has a similar record to Klopp after a similar amount of time, would he be deemed a success?

[Mase]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

All true

I think when ultimately comparing Pep and his eventual replacement, for a lot of people it will depend the CL, or whatever derivative that competition has become. Take Klopp and Pep for example. Klopp has won the PL and the CL. Pep has won 3 PL 4LC and the FA cup. But he is missing the big one. If Peps replacement has a similar record to Klopp after a similar amount of time, would he be deemed a success?

I think it depends how much his replacement spends. If he spends close to a billion and his record isn’t as good as Pep’s then he’ll be seen as a failure. If he spends close to a billion and we win the CL and a couple of Prems he’ll be seen as a success.

[PeterParker]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

All true

I think when ultimately comparing Pep and his eventual replacement, for a lot of people it will depend the CL, or whatever derivative that competition has become. Take Klopp and Pep for example. Klopp has won the PL and the CL. Pep has won 3 PL 4LC and the FA cup. But he is missing the big one. If Peps replacement has a similar record to Klopp after a similar amount of time, would he be deemed a success?

I think it depends how much his replacement spends. If he spends close to a billion and his record isn’t as good as Pep’s then he’ll be seen as a failure. If he spends close to a billion and we win the CL and a couple of Prems he’ll be seen as a success.

I think the whole problem is not that he is a poor manager, but how difficult to adapt he actually is. Stubbornness is not always a good thing. The german rags did not share a tear for him when he left, even if, he won the league three times in a row (I think the cup also).

[salford city]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

All true

I think when ultimately comparing Pep and his eventual replacement, for a lot of people it will depend the CL, or whatever derivative that competition has become. Take Klopp and Pep for example. Klopp has won the PL and the CL. Pep has won 3 PL 4LC and the FA cup. But he is missing the big one. If Peps replacement has a similar record to Klopp after a similar amount of time, would he be deemed a success?

I think it depends how much his replacement spends. If he spends close to a billion and his record isn’t as good as Pep’s then he’ll be seen as a failure. If he spends close to a billion and we win the CL and a couple of Prems he’ll be seen as a success.

I think the whole problem is not that he is a poor manager, but how difficult to adapt he actually is. Stubbornness is not always a good thing. The german rags did not share a tear for him when he left, even if, he won the league three times in a row (I think the cup also).

Stubbornness, arrogance, call it what you will, will cost us the chumps league if it happens again this season and I would expect it to cost him his job regardless of what we do domestically. Yes, we have been largely untouchable domestically and that is down in no small way to Pep and him having the players he wanted. The owners want the European recognition and we can only watch to see whether he can learn from his mistakes of the past two campaigns. I believe he will be gone if he repeats the same brain-fart this season but i also expect us to have a succession plan in place and we will move on after Pep

[PeterParker]

but i also expect us to have a succession plan in place and we will move on after Pep

Sadly, our transfer activity is saying otherwise. Hope you are right.

[salford city]

but i also expect us to have a succession plan in place and we will move on after Pep

Sadly, our transfer activity is saying otherwise. Hope you are right.

That may be a bit harsh - unless we have kane. I read earlier though that Kane was going to play this Thursday in the Mickey mouse cup so if that's the case, cannot see us signing him.
The Spafia were brought in to get Pep here. Be interesting to see where their loyalties lie when he's gone

[carl_feedthegoat]

@Dimples - I thought the priority for the club is CL? How many has Pep won since he’s been here?

I don’t want him to go and I will be sad when he does, but I definitely don’t think we’ll be in free fall when he goes. It shows how little faith we have in our owners (the reason we’re where we are) that we don’t think they’d plan well enough for after Pep leaves.

Pep keeps messing up in CL and it is a priority for the club. So classify that as a failure - so far.......
(worth remembering that we were shafted by the authorities in 2 of those campaigns - Dippers and Spurs - nothing Pep can do about that).

But all the rest is incredible - the domestic dominance and the way it was delivered - all domestic cups in one season, 100 PL points, the run in vs. the Dippers, all sorts of records broken AND this when being shafted at every turn by the establishment through refs and VAR.

The club are setup holistically so when Pep leaves transition should be reasonably smooth.

But when you look at Pep's achievements and factor in the shafting I think a new manager will fall short when compared to Pep.

Time will tell.

All true

I think when ultimately comparing Pep and his eventual replacement, for a lot of people it will depend the CL, or whatever derivative that competition has become. Take Klopp and Pep for example. Klopp has won the PL and the CL. Pep has won 3 PL 4LC and the FA cup. But he is missing the big one. If Peps replacement has a similar record to Klopp after a similar amount of time, would he be deemed a success?

I think it depends how much his replacement spends. If he spends close to a billion and his record isn’t as good as Pep’s then he’ll be seen as a failure. If he spends close to a billion and we win the CL and a couple of Prems he’ll be seen as a success.

The german rags did not share a tear for him when he left, even if, he won the league three times in a row (I think the cup also).

Some of our fans will go into melt down

Still...will give me plenty of ammunition to finish them off...silver lining and that.

[Hazy2]

Just a thought thecscousers have won it once in 30 plus years Rags not sure bout not arsed. The Chelsea way works. But to think it’s straightforward we continue winning act the rate Pellets and pep have is what the rags and dippers thought?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Just a thought thecscousers have won it once in 30 plus years Rags not sure bout not arsed. The Chelsea way works. But to think it’s straightforward we continue winning act the rate Pellets and pep have is what the rags and dippers thought?

Complete Gibberish

Can anyone make out what Hazy is saying ?

[Dimples]

Just a thought thecscousers have won it once in 30 plus years Rags not sure bout not arsed. The Chelsea way works. But to think it’s straightforward we continue winning act the rate Pellets and pep have is what the rags and dippers thought?

Complete Gibberish

Can anyone make out what Hazy is saying ?

Yes and it makes complete sense.
Hazy is making the point that the Rags, Liverpool and I will add Arsenal to that had a torrid time after successful managers left.
It could be similar for us. (Chelsea are the exception).

[Mase]

Just a thought thecscousers have won it once in 30 plus years Rags not sure bout not arsed. The Chelsea way works. But to think it’s straightforward we continue winning act the rate Pellets and pep have is what the rags and dippers thought?

Complete Gibberish

Can anyone make out what Hazy is saying ?

Yes and it makes complete sense.
Hazy is making the point that the Rags, Liverpool and I will add Arsenal to that had a torrid time after successful managers left.
It could be similar for us. (Chelsea are the exception).

Again though mate, the set up at Rags, Liverpool and Arsenal are no way comparable to ours. They have owners that are profit focused. We are very much comparable to Chelsea regarding owners end goal and set up.

So if we were to compare City to any other club overall - it would be Chelsea.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Just a thought thecscousers have won it once in 30 plus years Rags not sure bout not arsed. The Chelsea way works. But to think it’s straightforward we continue winning act the rate Pellets and pep have is what the rags and dippers thought?

Complete Gibberish

Can anyone make out what Hazy is saying ?

Yes and it makes complete sense.
Hazy is making the point that the Rags, Liverpool and I will add Arsenal to that had a torrid time after successful managers left.
It could be similar for us. (Chelsea are the exception).

You obviously have experience with special people .

As Mase says , we can only be compared to Chelsea-
Chelsea don’t rely on one manager to achieve the success they have had and continue to have - that fact cannot be ignored .

Point still stands - we will be successful no matter which top manager manages us .