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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Original Dub » Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:43 am

If we're found guilty of fraud then lots of people have to go to prison.

Am I missing something here?

Are we not accused of fraud on a grand scale? And if so, why aren't customs/revenue not in the middle of a full scale investigation??
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:04 pm

Original Dub wrote:If we're found guilty of fraud then lots of people have to go to prison.

Am I missing something here?

Are we not accused of fraud on a grand scale? And if so, why aren't customs/revenue not in the middle of a full scale investigation??


Who are our auditors? PwC? Wouldn’t they look like incompetent morons and it would completely ruin their reputation? A load of moving parts here and a lot of people that may sue this “independent” panel if were found guilty. Prem are fucked imo
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby sheblue » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:31 pm

It's not a court of law.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:39 pm

sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


But surely HMRC would get involved if they’re saying we’ve paid Mancini from another source so it doesn’t hit his UK account?

He’d have dodged tax? As I say, a shit load of moving parts that will involve the Prem being sued by a lot of people/companies if they find us guilty of anything apart from not cooperating
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Aug 28, 2024 12:55 pm

Mase wrote:
sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


But surely HMRC would get involved if they’re saying we’ve paid Mancini from another source so it doesn’t hit his UK account?

He’d have dodged tax? As I say, a shit load of moving parts that will involve the Prem being sued by a lot of people/companies if they find us guilty of anything apart from not cooperating


Can pay someone off legally with another overseescompany mate - fuckall the UK government (stinking thieving cunts) can do about it .
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Wed Aug 28, 2024 3:24 pm

sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


I think you will find that Lord Pannick will be reminding the PL that continuing with this Vendetta will have the PL and other persons involved previously , up in a court of law. They screwed up badly here ( pl) and our owner has enough dosh to go after them
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby john@staustell » Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:29 pm

zuricity wrote:
sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


I think you will find that Lord Pannick will be reminding the PL that continuing with this Vendetta will have the PL and other persons involved previously , up in a court of law. They screwed up badly here ( pl) and our owner has enough dosh to go after them



Should be direct charges for conspiracy
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Scatman » Wed Aug 28, 2024 5:03 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mase wrote:
sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


But surely HMRC would get involved if they’re saying we’ve paid Mancini from another source so it doesn’t hit his UK account?

He’d have dodged tax? As I say, a shit load of moving parts that will involve the Prem being sued by a lot of people/companies if they find us guilty of anything apart from not cooperating


Can pay someone off legally with another overseescompany mate - fuckall the UK government (stinking thieving cunts) can do about it .


So long as he's paid the right amount of UK tax
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Original Dub » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:04 pm

So many charges of us cooking the books, I'm amazed none of it is illegal.

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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Dunne's Half-Time Pint » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:16 pm

Original Dub wrote:So many charges of us cooking the books, I'm amazed none of it is illegal.

As Columbo would say
"Something just doesn't add up"


Fraud is obviously illegal. But you can allege fraudulent conduct in a civil court, if you like.

Standard of proof will be as agreed in PL rules for arbitration - probably 'the balance of probabilities' rather than the criminal standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Much easier to meet. Like how Trump is a rapist according to the civil courts but he's not in prison.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Original Dub » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:53 pm

That's America mate :lol:
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Original Dub » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:54 pm

PS Trump is a rapist??
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby blues2win » Wed Aug 28, 2024 7:56 pm

The standard of proof in CAS was ‘reasonably satisfied’. The burden is on the PL to prove their case to whatever standard of proof the Commission decides on.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Wed Aug 28, 2024 9:40 pm

Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:
Original Dub wrote:So many charges of us cooking the books, I'm amazed none of it is illegal.

As Columbo would say
"Something just doesn't add up"


Fraud is obviously illegal. But you can allege fraudulent conduct in a civil court, if you like.

Standard of proof will be as agreed in PL rules for arbitration - probably 'the balance of probabilities' rather than the criminal standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Much easier to meet. Like how Trump is a rapist according to the civil courts but he's not in prison.


Yeah, but so far , they are not in a civil court. It's some cellar room at the Arse's Emirates stadium. If this was a normal Civil court case , it would be thrown out , on grounds of stupidity. It is more than alleged fraud. it is claiming sponsors and City cooked the books, that is not alleged that is a definite statement. I hope we wipe the floor with them.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:23 pm

Scatman wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mase wrote:
sheblue wrote:It's not a court of law.


But surely HMRC would get involved if they’re saying we’ve paid Mancini from another source so it doesn’t hit his UK account?

He’d have dodged tax? As I say, a shit load of moving parts that will involve the Prem being sued by a lot of people/companies if they find us guilty of anything apart from not cooperating


Can pay someone off legally with another overseescompany mate - fuckall the UK government (stinking thieving cunts) can do about it .


So long as he's paid the right amount of UK tax


There are so many ways to stop thieves from stealing your hard earned money.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby PaulieIrish » Tue Sep 03, 2024 7:52 pm

Leicester win their appeal against the PL about PSR violations. The PL say they are "surprised and disappointed" but are unlikely to appeal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -psr-rules

Hopefully the PL will be "surprised and disappointed" again pretty soon.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby blues2win » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:22 pm

The Appeal stated that Clubs are entitled to rely on the plain meaning of the wording of rules and not have to take account of what the PL meant or other Clubs meant in approving them. Well done Leicester. The PL drafted the rules so the egg is very much on their face.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby CTID Hants » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:24 pm

PaulieIrish wrote:Leicester win their appeal against the PL about PSR violations. The PL say they are "surprised and disappointed" but are unlikely to appeal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -psr-rules

Hopefully the PL will be "surprised and disappointed" again pretty soon.


At which point will cunts start paying attention....

"Premier League did not have jurisdiction to punish them"

I try to avoid that cunt Jordan on TS but he said today that he doesn't agree with the PSR, why shouldn't a club with money and a business plan who are trying to levell the playing field.....

Like I say I avoid the cunt, but by his own measure he must be on our side or one massive hypocritical cunt.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby nottsblue » Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:39 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
PaulieIrish wrote:Leicester win their appeal against the PL about PSR violations. The PL say they are "surprised and disappointed" but are unlikely to appeal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -psr-rules

Hopefully the PL will be "surprised and disappointed" again pretty soon.


At which point will cunts start paying attention....

"Premier League did not have jurisdiction to punish them"

I try to avoid that cunt Jordan on TS but he said today that he doesn't agree with the PSR, why shouldn't a club with money and a business plan who are trying to levell the playing field.....

Like I say I avoid the cunt, but by his own measure he must be on our side or one massive hypocritical cunt.

I could be wrong but I think he might just be a massive hypocritical cunt
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Bluemoon4610 » Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:42 pm

nottsblue wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
PaulieIrish wrote:Leicester win their appeal against the PL about PSR violations. The PL say they are "surprised and disappointed" but are unlikely to appeal.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... -psr-rules

Hopefully the PL will be "surprised and disappointed" again pretty soon.


At which point will cunts start paying attention....

"Premier League did not have jurisdiction to punish them"

I try to avoid that cunt Jordan on TS but he said today that he doesn't agree with the PSR, why shouldn't a club with money and a business plan who are trying to levell the playing field.....

Like I say I avoid the cunt, but by his own measure he must be on our side or one massive hypocritical cunt.

I could be wrong but I think he might just be a massive hypocritical cunt

Spot on!
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