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Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:45 am

We keep getting linked with top strikers from across Europe. I know you can never have enough top players, but is there a case for leaving well alone and allowing Ade and 'Handsome' Carlito to take their growing understanding into next season? Is it worth leaving something that looks half decent, well alone? Or do we bust a gut for the likes of Torres?
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Bingo Lewis » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:46 am

I think if Torres or Villa become available then we'd be daft not to sign them IMO.
Just move Santa on and rotate between Tevez, Ade and new guy.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:52 am

Bingo Lewis wrote:I think if Torres or Villa become available then we'd be daft not to sign them IMO.
Just move Santa on and rotate between Tevez, Ade and new guy.


Yeah I can easily see that. But just a thought really, but perhaps the best will come out of Ade and Carlito knowing they are the main men. They do look very happy at the mo on the pitch. Maybe it's worth not disturbing that and getting one or both in a sulk.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Bingo Lewis » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:07 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Bingo Lewis wrote:I think if Torres or Villa become available then we'd be daft not to sign them IMO.
Just move Santa on and rotate between Tevez, Ade and new guy.


Yeah I can easily see that. But just a thought really, but perhaps the best will come out of Ade and Carlito knowing they are the main men. They do look very happy at the mo on the pitch. Maybe it's worth not disturbing that and getting one or both in a sulk.

I totally agree mate, but should one be delivered a lengthy lay off we'd be stuck for strikers again.
Also who is to say that Tevez and Torres (sounds good that) wouldn't be a better partnership than Tevez and Ade?
Our squad is at that stage now where we don't really need to buy anyone unless they are of absolute top quality IMO.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:09 am

I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby 13021J » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:11 am

Going in to this season with only 3 +1 (Bellamy) strikers was not a very clever move, we had to play Benjani for god sake!

In a CL campaign we need at least another 2 strikers, especially given RSC's injury history. Ideally Torres and somebody like Olic who would not expect to play all the games but would really bust a gut.

We keep getting linked with Dzecko but he didnt do much against Fulham did he? Poor man's Crouch anybody?
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Re: New strikers.

Postby MaineRoadMemories » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:11 am

Tevez and Adebayor look like they are slowly developing a partnership after a worrying start to the season when they never passed to each other.

I have no beef with Santa Cruz, I think he makes an excellent sub striker as he is willing to play that role and not demand a transfer because he is not starting. You cannot underestimate how important that is. He's the best header of a ball at the club too so gives an extra dimension.

Bellamy has often looked poor when playing up front and I think he has turned into an out and out attacking midfielder now.

Robinho isn't going to come back. I sense a strike coming on in the summer from him when Santos admit they can't afford him.

Benjani, Bojinov, JO (lol!) will all move on.

So we only have 3 strikers really, Santa Cruz and Bellamy are going to spend time injured so we do need one more out and out striker. None of the youth players look like they are ready so lets go out and get one.

We have Tevez who likes to drop deep, Adebayor who likes to go out on the wings so I think we need a "fox-in-the-box" type striker who will goal hang and bang in lots of shots from inside the box.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Original Dub » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:16 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, United did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At United, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:18 am

13021J wrote:Going in to this season with only 3 +1 (Bellamy) strikers was not a very clever move, we had to play Benjani for god sake!

In a CL campaign we need at least another 2 strikers, especially given RSC's injury history. Ideally Torres and somebody like Olic who would not expect to play all the games but would really bust a gut.

We keep getting linked with Dzecko but he didnt do much against Fulham did he? Poor man's Crouch anybody?


Since Dzecko was 1st brought to my attention, I've watched him when possible & he's never looked anything other than completely shite in front of goal. Sort of player who's arse could go completely in front of our crowd. Just not worth the risk even if he does become a top player for someone. Let them take the gamble, we don't need to.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:22 am

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.


RSC is invaluable in that respect as he won't rock the boat but there are so many games in the champ's league now that it's almost an extra half a season. Add to that a genuine attempt to win the domestic cups rather than 'resting' players & there are easily enough games for 4 strikers.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:25 am

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.



Your spot on with this proposed set up - The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Ade and Tevez do have an understanding and will only get better..bringing in a top top forward can upset that apple cart...the thing is, who can we bring in that will be happy with 3rd choice?
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:49 am

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.



Your spot on with this proposed set up - The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Ade and Tevez do have an understanding and will only get better..bringing in a top top forward can upset that apple cart...the thing is, who can we bring in that will be happy with 3rd choice?


If you look at having a decent fa cup & Chumps league/UEFA run, you're looking at very least 50 games. That's already 25 each for 4 strikers without injury, suspension or the league cup. If you're going to win it then it becomes a lot more.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Original Dub » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:49 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.


RSC is invaluable in that respect as he won't rock the boat but there are so many games in the champ's league now that it's almost an extra half a season. Add to that a genuine attempt to win the domestic cups rather than 'resting' players & there are easily enough games for 4 strikers.


I think you missed my point there mate. There will be enough games for 4 games of course, but there is no way they will be four of the world's best and be content.

Look at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and United - the former big four - and look at their striking options. Although Rooney has now established himself as a lone striker, Berbaflop was intended to play alongside him as first choice, with Owen (nearing the end of his career but still very talented) as back up, alongside a talented youngster (Marcheda or whatever the hook nosed cunt's name is).

Its the model for champions. Four top class strikers in their prime will upset the balance, no doubt about it.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:52 am

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.


RSC is invaluable in that respect as he won't rock the boat but there are so many games in the champ's league now that it's almost an extra half a season. Add to that a genuine attempt to win the domestic cups rather than 'resting' players & there are easily enough games for 4 strikers.


I think you missed my point there mate. There will be enough games for 4 games of course, but there is no way they will be four of the world's best and be content.

Look at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and U***d - the former big four - and look at their striking options. Although Rooney has now established himself as a lone striker, Berbaflop was intended to play alongside him as first choice, with Owen (nearing the end of his career but still very talented) as back up, alongside a talented youngster (Marcheda or whatever the hook nosed cunt's name is).

Its the model for champions. Four top class strikers in their prime will upset the balance, no doubt about it.


3 plus RSC or a young prodigy would be enough games for all though, if we're going to try & win each competition.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Original Dub » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:58 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.


RSC is invaluable in that respect as he won't rock the boat but there are so many games in the champ's league now that it's almost an extra half a season. Add to that a genuine attempt to win the domestic cups rather than 'resting' players & there are easily enough games for 4 strikers.


I think you missed my point there mate. There will be enough games for 4 games of course, but there is no way they will be four of the world's best and be content.

Look at Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and U***d - the former big four - and look at their striking options. Although Rooney has now established himself as a lone striker, Berbaflop was intended to play alongside him as first choice, with Owen (nearing the end of his career but still very talented) as back up, alongside a talented youngster (Marcheda or whatever the hook nosed cunt's name is).

Its the model for champions. Four top class strikers in their prime will upset the balance, no doubt about it.


3 plus RSC or a young prodigy would be enough games for all though, if we're going to try & win each competition.


If RSC stays, then we need to find ourselves a quality striker who is either starting out or signing one last deal.

Maybe Balotelli is the one in mind.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Rag_hater » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:03 am

Original Dub wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think it depends on whether we get 4th, if it's to be a big signing. When baconface had his strongest team, he rotated between Cole, York, Sherringham & Solskjaer, all different types of players. He could start with any combination & be just as strong. If we get into the full stages of the Champions league, we HAVE to be able to do the same. Bellamy seems to be a wide player now so I'm counting him as such.

IF RSC is fit he can be a great foil for Tevez or Ade so we need 1 more which could possibly be Balotelli or Ibrahimovic if Mancini stays (assuming cheating Fish head leaves scousers for Barca). Then we can hopefully blood one or two youngsters such as Mak, Nimeley, Guidetti & Ball as well.

If RSC is still carrying injuries then we need to bin him & sign 2 more, one of them a big aerial target man.


Yes, U***d did have four top strikers to choose from, but the thing to remember in these cases is that you need two of them to be content playing bit part roles in the side. At U***d, Solskjaer was more than happy to be a supersub and Sherringham was no spring chicken and knew he wouldn't be 1st choice when he signed.

This would not be the case if we signed someone like Torres or Villa. If any one of those strikers or Tevez began being left on the bench with regularity they would want out and rightly so.

We need to find two talented strikers that will know their place in the side if we are letting RSC go. If he is staying, we need to sign maybe a RVN type - extremely talented but coming towards the end of his career.

In an ideal world, we'd have Ade, Torres, Tevez and Villa rotating but there's no fucking chance of two of them playing bit part roles.


I'd like us to try and get goofy(the real Ronaldo or Henry )for the role you mention of an old guy who is coming to the end of his career and is happy spending time on the bench.
Otherwise as Piccs says I don't think we have a problem in the striking department and would be happy if we continued with Ade and Carlos.
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:04 am

Original Dub wrote:If RSC stays, then we need to find ourselves a quality striker who is either starting out or signing one last deal.

Maybe Balotelli is the one in mind.


I recon if you had for example, Torres, Ade, Tevez, RSC, the 1st 3 would be required to play at least 30 odd games each & we'd find that one of them wouldn't manage it (probably Torres!). 3 of those could also play together in a 4-3-3 in some games.
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Re: New strikers.

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Re: New strikers.

Postby colonel_muck » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:13 am

well obviously tevez is getting in the team next year no matter what, and a lot of people think ade will be the one sidelined, but his form since he's come back from 'that' incident has been phenomenal and i think he deserves the chance to make the partnership work. he's a very likeable character and i love seeing him play week in week out. torres is a crock, and of course i wouldn't say no to him but i would feel a bit sad i like the chemistry in the team at the moment, an can you imagine how frightening it would be if tevez and ade started playing well as a partnership (which i think they will, just a case of learning to understand eachother, which you can see improving with each game)
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Re: New strikers.

Postby Original Dub » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:13 am

Henry is a good shout, no doubt about it, but I'm unsure if he'd come.

Bojan, another good shout on the other end of the scale. I wouldn't want fat Ronaldo though, no way.

Young or old, we need players that have fire in their bellies, not fucking pies.
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