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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

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SORTED wrote:James Milner 2009/10 = David Bentley 2007/08


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Postby john@staustell » Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:58 am



It just says the ball is in Barca's court (according to the agent). They haven't lowered their fee yet, and we haven't raised our offer.

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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby The Man In Blue » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:39 am

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LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think City should be afraid to spend big money on great players.

However this guy is far from great.


Agreed, I am really having a hard time seeing Milner as some fantastic player who will solve all our problems and would prefer to have an attacking midfielder of a higher calibre and consistency.



i'm in this camp. i like the player, but no way should we be looking at making him one of our "Big" (in terms of fee) signings this summer - imo he is simply not worth it. This is a deal that bites both ways too - we pay well over the odds for a good player, and MoN gets a fat wad of cash to spend on more players to improve Villa.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby john@staustell » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:47 am

The Man In Blue wrote:
Slim wrote:
LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think City should be afraid to spend big money on great players.

However this guy is far from great.


Agreed, I am really having a hard time seeing Milner as some fantastic player who will solve all our problems and would prefer to have an attacking midfielder of a higher calibre and consistency.



i'm in this camp. i like the player, but no way should we be looking at making him one of our "Big" (in terms of fee) signings this summer - imo he is simply not worth it. This is a deal that bites both ways too - we pay well over the odds for a good player, and MoN gets a fat wad of cash to spend on more players to improve Villa.


But this is the problem with all perceptions of City's signings, and always has been. They are supposed to be "some fantastic player who will solve all our problems". Exactly the same nonsense which Barry has suffered from.

Whereas in fact we are looking to bring in talent (hopefully English) to the squad which will improve what we had previously. In this case perm one from Ireland, Petrov, or maybe just Petrov.

At this level - and we are looking to win the league - you have to pay to get these people, and raise the level signing by signing.

For goodness sake stop treating every signing as if they're supposed to be a panacea for our ills.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby The Man In Blue » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:52 am

john@staustell wrote:For goodness sake stop treating every signing as if they're supposed to be panacea for our ills.


come on that's not a valid argument, do you think anyone reckons Milner will solve our right back problem? The fact is we are crying out for a top class attacking mid and it seems that Milner is the man earmarked to solve that particular problem.

some people don't think he is good enough for this role, and certainly not at this kind of price.

are you happy giving a direct competitor £30-odd million?
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby john@staustell » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:01 am

The Man In Blue wrote:
john@staustell wrote:For goodness sake stop treating every signing as if they're supposed to be panacea for our ills.


come on that's not a valid argument, do you think anyone reckons Milner will solve our right back problem? The fact is we are crying out for a top class attacking mid and it seems that Milner is the man earmarked to solve that particular problem.

some people don't think he is good enough for this role, and certainly not at this kind of price.

are you happy giving a direct competitor £30-odd million?


It's a very valid argument as people get on players backs because they expect them to be super-special from the off. Personally I would say this is Petrov's replacement and there is more to come.

As to giving Villa money I dont give a flying fuck. What the hell has that got to do with it? Are they going to go out and buy Torres? They're falling way behind us already. What a daft way of thinking.

MiB you need to realise that Villa wont be our 'competitor' this season, Scum, Chelsea and maybe Arsenal will.

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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:08 am

john@staustell wrote:
The Man In Blue wrote:
Slim wrote:
LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think City should be afraid to spend big money on great players.

However this guy is far from great.


Agreed, I am really having a hard time seeing Milner as some fantastic player who will solve all our problems and would prefer to have an attacking midfielder of a higher calibre and consistency.



i'm in this camp. i like the player, but no way should we be looking at making him one of our "Big" (in terms of fee) signings this summer - imo he is simply not worth it. This is a deal that bites both ways too - we pay well over the odds for a good player, and MoN gets a fat wad of cash to spend on more players to improve Villa.


But this is the problem with all perceptions of City's signings, and always has been. They are supposed to be "some fantastic player who will solve all our problems". Exactly the same nonsense which Barry has suffered from.

Whereas in fact we are looking to bring in talent (hopefully English) to the squad which will improve what we had previously. In this case perm one from Ireland, Petrov, or maybe just Petrov.

At this level - and we are looking to win the league - you have to pay to get these people, and raise the level signing by signing.

For goodness sake stop treating every signing as if they're supposed to be a panacea for our ills.


Hmmmm.... that's not necesserilty the way forward. We already have relatively deep squad with bags of average talent. In my opinion we need starting line up players that are different quality to what we have here. It's Carlos Tevez's of this world that make the difference, not De Jong's. Milner is no "once in a generation" talent. He is good Premier League player, nothing more nothing less. At the price range we are talking about here, we should be looking to get real difference makers. We can get better players from abroad for half the price. Also, people say that we are looking to win the league and that it'd be cheap signing if we made it to Champion's League. No I can't for the life of me understand how Milner would help us achieve any of those goals. His history so far includes getting relegated with two sides and upper midtable team. While he is young and can't help if the players around him aren't good enough, The fact still remains that he hasn't been showing much anything that would indicate he is going to be that extra we need to push for the title or even make it into Champion's League.

I'm going to stick my neck out and predict that he'd be disappointing for us. He runs around alot and tries hard so he'd have his fans, mostly same people who rate De Jong super highly, but I don't think he'd make much difference. In fact, I don't think he is better than any of Jinky, SWP or Ireland.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby john@staustell » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:24 am

What I'm saying Antii is that our squad was still short on quality in numbers. DeJong was an improvement on what went before, and Milner will be, in my opinion, better than Petrov, albeit expensively, and also provides an alternative to a rested Bellers, or to DeJong himself in certain games.

If we are playing so many games we need an influx of quality players, of which this is one.

Being brutally honest, if we want to win stuff then the likes of Ireland (in current form), Petrov, Benjani, Sylvinho, all those players out on loan and untried youngsters who aren't sensational have no place on our field in 2010-11.

I think it's a bit harsh to say Milner isn't an improvement, and I'm not his biggest fan.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby btajim » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:50 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
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exactly.


Milner has been playing at a reasonable level for years. I don't want to pay too much for him but if it's case of going for which players are available then he'd be a good signing that could become a great one if he can take that step forwards.

I certainly think he'd be a more reliable player than Ireland. Ironically, he could fit in to the one season wonder tag.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby salford city » Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:56 am

I'd be surprised if Milner if brought in as the much anticipated attacking midfielder that we are short of and believe that overall, he is an upgrade to Petrov. Add to this the fact that he is versatile and I can see the benefit to the squad. We are about to go into a se ason where we are looking to challenge at the top of the Prem and also face trips into Europe and we need good quality players that can give us options. Yes Milner is not going to make the difference on his own but he's a step in the right direction.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Bingo Lewis » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:04 am

If Milner is brought in to play on the wing then that is ok.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Vhero » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:08 am

My uncle who is a Villa fan keeps banging on about the guy saying not many people know how good he really is.. So we will see won't we? Sure we gave Villa 28 million but they can't do as much with it as us..
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby lets all have a disco » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:43 am

About time we had someone who isnt shit scared of shooting,running,passing,tackling,thinking,generally just being a midfield dynamo.

Good times.

Oh and if people think he will be coming in to be slammed on the wing your mistaken,he will play where he did this year. IMHO.
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Postby cityPinoy_fc » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:01 am

looks like we signed a player for the future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/8732181.stm

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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby The Man In Blue » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:06 am

john@staustell wrote:
The Man In Blue wrote:
john@staustell wrote:For goodness sake stop treating every signing as if they're supposed to be panacea for our ills.


come on that's not a valid argument, do you think anyone reckons Milner will solve our right back problem? The fact is we are crying out for a top class attacking mid and it seems that Milner is the man earmarked to solve that particular problem.

some people don't think he is good enough for this role, and certainly not at this kind of price.

are you happy giving a direct competitor £30-odd million?


It's a very valid argument as people get on players backs because they expect them to be super-special from the off. Personally I would say this is Petrov's replacement and there is more to come.

As to giving Villa money I dont give a flying fuck. What the hell has that got to do with it? Are they going to go out and buy Torres? They're falling way behind us already. What a daft way of thinking.

MiB you need to realise that Villa wont be our 'competitor' this season, Scum, Chelsea and maybe Arsenal will.

Villa indeed!


when i see us competing with Arse, Chelski and Scum over the course of a season i will share your opinion - as yet that has not happened, so i don't know how thinking the side who finished one place below us are competitors is a daft opinion. i'd say it was realism, based on last season's efforts.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Wooders » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:32 am

probably one of the best english players in his position, we need english players due to the new rules.... what was the problem again?
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Original Dub » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:37 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Slim wrote:
LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think City should be afraid to spend big money on great players.

However this guy is far from great.


Agreed, I am really having a hard time seeing Milner as some fantastic player who will solve all our problems and would prefer to have an attacking midfielder of a higher calibre and consistency.


I think you are both right. Milner is one season wonder I believe and in completely different kind of environment I fear he'd flop badly.

We need someone with a football brain, Milner has none.


That quote is gonna bite the shit out of you.

I value him at about 25m, given he cost Villa 12m, we're in the most expensive market ever (a lot of which has to do with us) and the fact that we are buying the English Premier League's YPOTY.

To say he has no football brain is absolutely hilarious. Fucking comical actually.
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Re: Milner on his way for £28 Million?

Postby Vhero » Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:43 am

Original Dub wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Slim wrote:
LookMumI'mOnMCF.net wrote:I don't think City should be afraid to spend big money on great players.

However this guy is far from great.


Agreed, I am really having a hard time seeing Milner as some fantastic player who will solve all our problems and would prefer to have an attacking midfielder of a higher calibre and consistency.


I think you are both right. Milner is one season wonder I believe and in completely different kind of environment I fear he'd flop badly.

We need someone with a football brain, Milner has none.


That quote is gonna bite the shit out of you.

I value him at about 25m, given he cost Villa 12m, we're in the most expensive market ever (a lot of which has to do with us) and the fact that we are buying the English Premier League's YPOTY.

To say he has no football brain is absolutely hilarious. Fucking comical actually.

Indeed as for 1 season wonder he has been pretty consistent for a couple of seasons now. How do people work out 1 season wonders these days it confuses the fuck out of me as they think Ireland isn't a one a season wonder but Milner is?? I swear people just use the brand randomly.
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