Hughes/Platt Double Standards?

[ian494]

All we need now is Merson; Lawrenson and Collymore on the staff and we won't get any negative press.

I'm impressed.

[btajim]

AM i reading that right? Are you having a go at bobby manc?

What are you BTAJim now? I'm just going to say that I'm not one bit happy about Platt appointment. Hopefully he acts only as some sort of translator and has no real involvement with football things. He is a complete mong when it comes to football knowledge. AND a rag.

Why hit the man below his belt? Cruel, cruel jibe. Wooders might not be as handsome as me - but he's got other more tangible qualities.

[DoomMerchant]

wasn't "jobs for the boys" a major concern for the hughes out brigade?

Whereas on this occasion people have showed great pleasure of Platt appointment?

Most Managers bring their own Backroom Staff with them. The difference here being that Platt has never worked for Mancini as a Coach.

but he does speak italian and is know personally by Roberto. I believe Mancini felt he was someone he could, ironically it would seem, trust and who would make sure his messages get across. I'm sure with the flaps with Bellamy, and Tevez as examples that i'm guessing the conversations at the end of last season went something like this:

Cookie: "Roberto, i know we've kept the lid on the pot with Craig and Carlos but what's happening?"
Mancini: "Is fine. I speak...speak to them. Maybe they...not understand all the things I say, but i think is fine."
Cookie: "Roberto, go get someone this summer who speaks your native tongue, and sign them up as a coach to help you communicate. We have all the faith in the world in you, but we can't have communication problems with our best players. ok?"
Mancini: "ok...i know some friend who speak Italian. i will...i will call them and see."

etc...

i wish i was joking. But if yr Mancini, with a job that's this high profile, the devil you know, who's also mildly incompetent as a manager is a much safer option than someone who could threaten your authority or capability as a manager.

cheers

[colonel_muck]

i wish we still had mark hughes as manager i absolutely loved him and loved his football. david platt i'm not fussed about think i am relatively removed from his comments in the media. all i know is he was a great midfielder in his day, and i'm pretty certain he's going to try and help the club move forward regardless of what he's said in the past to get bread on the table.

[pepsi_dave]

I don't get what the fuss is about to be honest, yeah he was a rag etc, but tbh I don't really care one iota. I dont fully understand the immediate criticism levelled at him aswell, I personally wouldnt even know where to begin looking to know what attributes and personality traits a good coach would need, and I doubt most of us on here would either.

I am also of the opinion that Bob knows what he is doing, and that this addition to the coaching team will be beneficial in some way.

I do agree that Platt is a bit of a cunt, I met him once or twice over the last few years, and he comes across as a bit of a prick, but that doesnt mean he's a shite coach. Only time will tell.

[john68]

My immediate thoughts on both appointments was "OH NO!!!"
I gave Hughes time and was impressed by the way he conducted himself on behalf of the club. I also felt that it would take time to move our club from the starting point to where we wanted to be. I thought, given time, that Hughes could do it.
Platt has a record of failure and also has very publically attacked our club. Like Hughes, I will give him time to prove me wrong.

Something that does disturb me is that as we aim for the very top, we will only achieve success if everyone is pulling in the same direction. That includes Owners, management, players...and fans!
Nobody ever won a tug of war whle there were members of the team pushing the rope.

[btajim]

My immediate thoughts on both appointments was "OH NO!!!"
I gave Hughes time and was impressed by the way he conducted himself on behalf of the club. I also felt that it would take time to move our club from the starting point to where we wanted to be. I thought, given time, that Hughes could do it.
Platt has a record of failure and also has very publically attacked our club. Like Hughes, I will give him time to prove me wrong.

Something that does disturb me is that as we aim for the very top, we will only achieve success if everyone is pulling in the same direction. That includes Owners, management, players...and fans!
Nobody ever won a tug of war whle there were members of the team pushing the rope.

This is where I disagree with you, John. Imagine someone had been kicking you in the bollocks for the last 10 years. Would you honestly shake the Guy's hand, buy him a Pint and give the Man time to prove you and your initial misgivings wrong? I've heard of turning the other cheek - but to expect anything positive out of a negative situation is naive. David Platt has previously said unsavoury things about City and has a very poor record in Football in a non-Playing capacity. It's not particularly likely that he's going to be a positive thing for us.

By your theory, you'd have been welcoming all the duff Players and Managers that have passed through the revolving door at Manchester City.

[wyted]

My first thoughts on Platt were... "What the fuck, that cunt hates City". Then I immediately thought, don't say anything, we might end up having the most successful season of my lifetime with Platt on board and then you'd look like a right tit slating him before a ball was even kicked in anger. Then I logged on here and found that most posters felt the same as me.

But, he's now employed by City, we should at least cut him a bit of slack for the time being in the hope that things click behind the scenes. To quote Napoleon Hill... "Opportunity often comes disguised in the form of misfortune"

[dazby]

My immediate thoughts on both appointments was "OH NO!!!"
I gave Hughes time and was impressed by the way he conducted himself on behalf of the club. I also felt that it would take time to move our club from the starting point to where we wanted to be. I thought, given time, that Hughes could do it.
Platt has a record of failure and also has very publically attacked our club. Like Hughes, I will give him time to prove me wrong.

Something that does disturb me is that as we aim for the very top, we will only achieve success if everyone is pulling in the same direction. That includes Owners, management, players...and fans!
Nobody ever won a tug of war whle there were members of the team pushing the rope.

This is where I disagree with you, John. Imagine someone had been kicking you in the bollocks for the last 10 years. Would you honestly shake the Guy's hand, buy him a Pint and give the Man time to prove you and your initial misgivings wrong? I've heard of turning the other cheek - but to expect anything positive out of a negative situation is naive. David Platt has previously said unsavoury things about City and has a very poor record in Football in a non-Playing capacity. It's not particularly likely that he's going to be a positive thing for us.

By your theory, you'd have been welcoming all the duff Players and Managers that have passed through the revolving door at Manchester City.

That's not very christian of you Jimbo.

[john68]

Jimbo,
Most certainly, you are correct and I agree totally with the scenario that you have conjured up from your very active imagination. Though what the fuck any of it had to do with anything I posted, only you may be able to find a link to.

In this instance, we are presented with a fait accompli. The deed is already done and Platt, like or not has already been employed by our club. Personally, I don't thing it was a wise choice of coach and like you, see nothing in his record to commend it. However, we had no control over his employment.
I merely pointed out that if this club is to move onwards and upwards, it will only happen if all parts of the club are pulling in the same direction. I drew the tug of war analogy to your attention.
In the past, whenever City fans have rebelled vocally and demonstrated their lack of support for anyone at the club, it has been at a time when the club was on a downwards trend, and such demonstrations were calling for change to stop that downwards trend. At present, we are on an upwards trend, Anything that could destabilise that should be avoided.

...and no, I don't welcome Platt, I merely feel that we are stuck with him.

[Wonderwall]

I cannot believe that MH is still being discussed.....move along people nothing to see here.

As for Platt, he will last less time than the above fella

[The Man In Blue]

it's like stockholm syndrome.

[Grob]

Hey
Kevin
Leave our Mark alone

[btajim]

Jimbo,
Most certainly, you are correct and I agree totally with the scenario that you have conjured up from your very active imagination. Though what the fuck any of it had to do with anything I posted, only you may be able to find a link to.

In this instance, we are presented with a fait accompli. The deed is already done and Platt, like or not has already been employed by our club. Personally, I don't thing it was a wise choice of coach and like you, see nothing in his record to commend it. However, we had no control over his employment.
I merely pointed out that if this club is to move onwards and upwards, it will only happen if all parts of the club are pulling in the same direction. I drew the tug of war analogy to your attention.
In the past, whenever City fans have rebelled vocally and demonstrated their lack of support for anyone at the club, it has been at a time when the club was on a downwards trend, and such demonstrations were calling for change to stop that downwards trend. At present, we are on an upwards trend, Anything that could destabilise that should be avoided.

...and no, I don't welcome Platt, I merely feel that we are stuck with him.

*lets out loud exhaled yawn*

I was dumbing my views down to make sure you were able to understand them. You're not particularly bright.

Yet more of your cockeyed, sanctimonious, chirpy rubbish to deal with. Simply welcoming anyone and everyone to the Club regardless of their ability to do their job is ridiculous. I'm glad I've never had to work alongside you for anything professional. To be honest, I just can't understand why you want to stop people speaking out against David Platt's employment when they've got a right to. It won't affect how Yaya Toure plays a pass forwards or how De Jong breaks up opposition play. It won't affect it in the slightest. I'll speak out against David Platt for as long as I wish to.

btajim in the South Stand Upper is unhappy about Platt. City will be relegated...

[King Kev]

Those of us who didn't like hughes from the start got a pretty hard time form certain people on here. Whether we disliked him because he is a mune or because we just didn't think he was up to the job we were met with, almost universal, calls to 'get behind him' and 'give him time' etc etc etc

Now that platt has joined our club it seems that pretty much everybody is against the idea (and quite rightly so imo).

So, I was just wondering if those who called for us to get behind hughes but are now saying they disagree with the signing of platt could explain the difference please?

Are you guilty of double standards or is there a glaring difference between the 2 that I have missed?

Thanks

So the answer to my question, rather predictably, is that nobody is guilty of double standards and I have just misunderstood the situation.

Ok then.

[btajim]

Those of us who didn't like hughes from the start got a pretty hard time form certain people on here. Whether we disliked him because he is a mune or because we just didn't think he was up to the job we were met with, almost universal, calls to 'get behind him' and 'give him time' etc etc etc

Now that platt has joined our club it seems that pretty much everybody is against the idea (and quite rightly so imo).

So, I was just wondering if those who called for us to get behind hughes but are now saying they disagree with the signing of platt could explain the difference please?

Are you guilty of double standards or is there a glaring difference between the 2 that I have missed?

Thanks

So the answer to my question, rather predictably, is that nobody is guilty of double standards and I have just misunderstood the situation.

Ok then.

As I said, the Hughes In Brigade were definitely the ones throwing punches at Away Matches. In turn, you had a problem with him because, as an ex-RAG, he'd do a bad job on purpose because that's what you'd do.

You openly criticised people for talking about Hughes once he'd gone - but you're now starting threads about him. Laughably, you also welcomed Mancini but are now having to think about his suitability for the role given the backroom staff he's bringing in.

The hypocrisy is you telling everyone to get behind him when you wouldn't do that for the previous Manager.

[ronk]

Those of us who didn't like hughes from the start got a pretty hard time form certain people on here. Whether we disliked him because he is a mune or because we just didn't think he was up to the job we were met with, almost universal, calls to 'get behind him' and 'give him time' etc etc etc

Now that platt has joined our club it seems that pretty much everybody is against the idea (and quite rightly so imo).

So, I was just wondering if those who called for us to get behind hughes but are now saying they disagree with the signing of platt could explain the difference please?

Are you guilty of double standards or is there a glaring difference between the 2 that I have missed?

Thanks

So the answer to my question, rather predictably, is that nobody is guilty of double standards and I have just misunderstood the situation.

Ok then.

The guys who were never behind Hughes gave at least as good as they got, they threw a lot of shit and had plenty thrown back at them from some quarters. What exactly was the point about double standards?

[Ted Hughes]

It'd David fucking Platt FFS!! If Hughes had bad mouthed City the way he has NOBODY would have backed him! The comparison is a load of stupid pointless fucking shite.

[john68]

Jim,
I take it that you have fallen out with your cat and need someone to take your anguish out on. Or have you been mixing the cat food with yours and have had an allergic reaction.
Not to worry, I hope you recover soon.
You enjoy having a little tantrum about Platt if it is therapeutic for you...it might do you good
God bless.

[Slim]

They're both cunts who I wouldn't want at City ever.....I fail to see the double standard.