Tru_Blu wrote:I do and GOD I hope we don't get impatient i mean we have yet to see a Mancini team play the football he wants.
Our LB and RB he purchased have not a played, and in my opinion these positions are focal for the way Mancini wants to build our play going forward. Lescott and Richards lack these qualities. I been reading that some fans believe we should then play another way until then, i think not since our new players haven't had much playing time together changing formations and the way he eventually wants them to play would do more harm then good in the overall picture. Lets get back our injured players give the manger 2 years and i say we will reap some rewards.
Colin the King wrote:I think he'll do a job similar to that Ranieri did at Chelsea- win us a trophy or two, get us into the top four and establish us as a regular European side, but ultimately never quite reach the highs of a title win or European Cup final. Obviously at this stage those things are a long way off, and I believe he'll be successful in the context of what we're looking for now, but not necessarily what we want in three years, for example.
One thing I actually admire though is his stubbornness and dictatorial attitude- we mightn't always agree with certain decisions but there's a method to his madness and he should be the one in control. Bellamy's a fantastic player, great attitude, sure. But if he doesn't want him he'll have his reasons and we can either accept it or spend months and years lamenting the fact that he's gone. Hughes made some decisions that irritated fans but both of them have made, or are making those decisions in the interest of the club and its success- from the outside looking in it might not look that way but none of us know the inner workings of either the dressing room, or a complex, stubborn mind like Mancini's. So let him make the decisions, and live or die by them.
The football we're playing is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be in my opinion. We're set up with roughly the same system home and away, and that's to have a solid defensive base, try and score early, and pick the opposition off on the counter-attack. It's not the purist's wet dream but it can be attractive, and when the familiarity between players grows and everyone's fit and up to scratch, it'll be more effective. No doubt. In the mean time, though, we'll have to do the unthinkable and be patient- the journalists turned 'you can't spend x amount of money and be instantly successful' into a cliché that we laugh at; but there is some degree of truth in it. Whether they cost £200 or £200,000,000, new players need to adapt. Having three of those new players injured long-term doesn't help since they'll have to come in and acclimatise when everyone else already has, but that's life.
We've had brilliant starts over the last few years that burned out miserably- Sven's season is a case in point. Or look at Blackpool now. Or Hull last season. A brilliant start counts for nothing, so I'd much rather see us start as we are doing and build momentum and points as time goes on and finish strongly. Do I have faith that will happen? Yes.
Ted Hughes wrote:
Us being patient isn't really the problem though is it? It depends on the patience of others.
I mentioned a comparison to Ranieri in one of my posts & I think he built Chelsea but farted around too much & got himself fired. I hope Mancini gets a better shot at staying with his team than Claudio did but his performance over the next 2 months may decide it.
sandman wrote:shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager
Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.
I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).
I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?
Kladze wrote:Only one man can pick a team.
Much as we'd all like to be that man we can't be.
Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager
Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.
I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).
I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?
Pathetic attitude?
Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?
Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.
Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.
Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.
Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.
sandman wrote:Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager
Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.
I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).
I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?
Pathetic attitude?
Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?
Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.
Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.
Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.
Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.
Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)
Ted Hughes wrote:Tru_Blu wrote:I do and GOD I hope we don't get impatient i mean we have yet to see a Mancini team play the football he wants.
Our LB and RB he purchased have not a played, and in my opinion these positions are focal for the way Mancini wants to build our play going forward. Lescott and Richards lack these qualities. I been reading that some fans believe we should then play another way until then, i think not since our new players haven't had much playing time together changing formations and the way he eventually wants them to play would do more harm then good in the overall picture. Lets get back our injured players give the manger 2 years and i say we will reap some rewards.
It's Mancini who's chosen to swap the positions of the new players around before they settle in rather than the fans demanding it. We didn't ask for Milner to be moved inside or Yaya pushed back, it was all his idea.
Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager
Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.
I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).
I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?
Pathetic attitude?
Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?
Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.
Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.
Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.
Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.
Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)
You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!
Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.
Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)
You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!
ronk wrote:Original Dub wrote:sandman wrote:
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.
Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)
You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!
£3m? You may want to sit down...
ScapeGoat wrote:Kladze wrote:Only one man can pick a team.
Much as we'd all like to be that man we can't be.
Would be fun though. Imagine if a club had no manager, but instead used online polls for formations and lineups, transfers and even in game substitutions. Registered fans could vote and in effect "manage". Power to the people :)
Dubaimancityfan wrote:Bingo Lewis wrote:He'll be good when he gets some balls. He's a shithouse. 451 at home to Blackburn isn't acceptable. Away at Chelsea is fine, but got to be more attacking at home. 7 minutes for Silva? Jo instead of Santa? Taking Jonno off when Milner was plainly knackered?
Must improve, too many mistakes there for me.
Agree with all the above (except the shithouse stuff!) but I still have faith in him.
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