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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Blue Blood » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:25 am

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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:47 am

Too early to tell for me. Certainly he has some work to do, I feel, but I really do want him to get it right. I just hope he get the team playing a more attacking game.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Tru_Blu » Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:49 am

I do and GOD I hope we don't get impatient i mean we have yet to see a Mancini team play the football he wants.
Our LB and RB he purchased have not a played, and in my opinion these positions are focal for the way Mancini wants to build our play going forward. Lescott and Richards lack these qualities. I been reading that some fans believe we should then play another way until then, i think not since our new players haven't had much playing time together changing formations and the way he eventually wants them to play would do more harm then good in the overall picture. Lets get back our injured players give the manger 2 years and i say we will reap some rewards.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:05 pm

Tru_Blu wrote:I do and GOD I hope we don't get impatient i mean we have yet to see a Mancini team play the football he wants.
Our LB and RB he purchased have not a played, and in my opinion these positions are focal for the way Mancini wants to build our play going forward. Lescott and Richards lack these qualities. I been reading that some fans believe we should then play another way until then, i think not since our new players haven't had much playing time together changing formations and the way he eventually wants them to play would do more harm then good in the overall picture. Lets get back our injured players give the manger 2 years and i say we will reap some rewards.


It's Mancini who's chosen to swap the positions of the new players around before they settle in rather than the fans demanding it. We didn't ask for Milner to be moved inside or Yaya pushed back, it was all his idea.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Kladze » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:09 pm

Only one man can pick a team.
Much as we'd all like to be that man we can't be.

The three first choice full backs out injured, along with Balotelli and now Adebayor, have also had a big effect on the way the team operates.
Negative? I actually don't think so.

Answer to the question is a definite yes, and I hope such threads aren't going to become the norm around here a la the anti Hughes threads.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Colin the King » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:11 pm

I think he'll do a job similar to that Ranieri did at Chelsea- win us a trophy or two, get us into the top four and establish us as a regular European side, but ultimately never quite reach the highs of a title win or European Cup final. Obviously at this stage those things are a long way off, and I believe he'll be successful in the context of what we're looking for now, but not necessarily what we want in three years, for example.

One thing I actually admire though is his stubbornness and dictatorial attitude- we mightn't always agree with certain decisions but there's a method to his madness and he should be the one in control. Bellamy's a fantastic player, great attitude, sure. But if he doesn't want him he'll have his reasons and we can either accept it or spend months and years lamenting the fact that he's gone. Hughes made some decisions that irritated fans but both of them have made, or are making those decisions in the interest of the club and its success- from the outside looking in it might not look that way but none of us know the inner workings of either the dressing room, or a complex, stubborn mind like Mancini's. So let him make the decisions, and live or die by them.

The football we're playing is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be in my opinion. We're set up with roughly the same system home and away, and that's to have a solid defensive base, try and score early, and pick the opposition off on the counter-attack. It's not the purist's wet dream but it can be attractive, and when the familiarity between players grows and everyone's fit and up to scratch, it'll be more effective. No doubt. In the mean time, though, we'll have to do the unthinkable and be patient- the journalists turned 'you can't spend x amount of money and be instantly successful' into a cliché that we laugh at; but there is some degree of truth in it. Whether they cost £200 or £200,000,000, new players need to adapt. Having three of those new players injured long-term doesn't help since they'll have to come in and acclimatise when everyone else already has, but that's life.

We've had brilliant starts over the last few years that burned out miserably- Sven's season is a case in point. Or look at Blackpool now. Or Hull last season. A brilliant start counts for nothing, so I'd much rather see us start as we are doing and build momentum and points as time goes on and finish strongly. Do I have faith that will happen? Yes.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:23 pm

Colin the King wrote:I think he'll do a job similar to that Ranieri did at Chelsea- win us a trophy or two, get us into the top four and establish us as a regular European side, but ultimately never quite reach the highs of a title win or European Cup final. Obviously at this stage those things are a long way off, and I believe he'll be successful in the context of what we're looking for now, but not necessarily what we want in three years, for example.

One thing I actually admire though is his stubbornness and dictatorial attitude- we mightn't always agree with certain decisions but there's a method to his madness and he should be the one in control. Bellamy's a fantastic player, great attitude, sure. But if he doesn't want him he'll have his reasons and we can either accept it or spend months and years lamenting the fact that he's gone. Hughes made some decisions that irritated fans but both of them have made, or are making those decisions in the interest of the club and its success- from the outside looking in it might not look that way but none of us know the inner workings of either the dressing room, or a complex, stubborn mind like Mancini's. So let him make the decisions, and live or die by them.

The football we're playing is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be in my opinion. We're set up with roughly the same system home and away, and that's to have a solid defensive base, try and score early, and pick the opposition off on the counter-attack. It's not the purist's wet dream but it can be attractive, and when the familiarity between players grows and everyone's fit and up to scratch, it'll be more effective. No doubt. In the mean time, though, we'll have to do the unthinkable and be patient- the journalists turned 'you can't spend x amount of money and be instantly successful' into a cliché that we laugh at; but there is some degree of truth in it. Whether they cost £200 or £200,000,000, new players need to adapt. Having three of those new players injured long-term doesn't help since they'll have to come in and acclimatise when everyone else already has, but that's life.

We've had brilliant starts over the last few years that burned out miserably- Sven's season is a case in point. Or look at Blackpool now. Or Hull last season. A brilliant start counts for nothing, so I'd much rather see us start as we are doing and build momentum and points as time goes on and finish strongly. Do I have faith that will happen? Yes.


Us being patient isn't really the problem though is it? It depends on the patience of others.

I mentioned a comparison to Ranieri in one of my posts & I think he built Chelsea but farted around too much & got himself fired. I hope Mancini gets a better shot at staying with his team than Claudio did but his performance over the next 2 months may decide it.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Colin the King » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:28 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Us being patient isn't really the problem though is it? It depends on the patience of others.

I mentioned a comparison to Ranieri in one of my posts & I think he built Chelsea but farted around too much & got himself fired. I hope Mancini gets a better shot at staying with his team than Claudio did but his performance over the next 2 months may decide it.


You're right of course, but our patience surely makes things easier for everyone even if it isn't the deciding factor. My hope is that if we fail spectacularly over the next two months, which we all hope isn't the case, that the important people have the patience to see it through. As you know I wasn't Hughes' biggest fan but the timing of his sacking was ridiculous and it wouldn't be any less so this time around.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Original Dub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:39 pm

sandman wrote:
shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager


Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.

I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).

I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?


Pathetic attitude?

Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?

Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.

Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.

Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.

Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby ScapeGoat » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:46 pm

Kladze wrote:Only one man can pick a team.
Much as we'd all like to be that man we can't be.


Would be fun though. Imagine if a club had no manager, but instead used online polls for formations and lineups, transfers and even in game substitutions. Registered fans could vote and in effect "manage". Power to the people :)
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby sandman » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:49 pm

Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager


Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.

I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).

I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?


Pathetic attitude?

Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?

Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.

Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.

Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.

Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.


Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.

Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Original Dub » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:52 pm

sandman wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager


Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.

I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).

I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?


Pathetic attitude?

Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?

Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.

Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.

Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.

Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.


Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.

Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)


You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Tru_Blu » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:54 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Tru_Blu wrote:I do and GOD I hope we don't get impatient i mean we have yet to see a Mancini team play the football he wants.
Our LB and RB he purchased have not a played, and in my opinion these positions are focal for the way Mancini wants to build our play going forward. Lescott and Richards lack these qualities. I been reading that some fans believe we should then play another way until then, i think not since our new players haven't had much playing time together changing formations and the way he eventually wants them to play would do more harm then good in the overall picture. Lets get back our injured players give the manger 2 years and i say we will reap some rewards.


It's Mancini who's chosen to swap the positions of the new players around before they settle in rather than the fans demanding it. We didn't ask for Milner to be moved inside or Yaya pushed back, it was all his idea.



Again since we have INJURIES, Nigel, we prob see changes that even Mancini doesn't really want to make.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby sandman » Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:59 pm

Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
shortagain wrote:Here we go, a couple of bad results and we are questioning if we have the right manager


Spot on, and this pathetic attitude is why we have had dozens of managers in almost as many years.

I have complete faith in Bobby Manc, I honestly believe he will achieve all we strive for even though I dont agree with the way he is going about things (Playing Vieira, Putting Tevez upfront alone, playing Richards ahead of Zabba, Defending at home).

I honestly believe the best managers are the ones who successfully pull off crazy decisions that nobody else would have called, unfortunately we still at the stage where he is taking too many risks, but as the squad gels and gets used to Mancinis ways I think we will improve massively?


Pathetic attitude?

Pics asked what people thought. How is that pathetic?

Mancini has done little for me so far, other than make us hard to score against. Having said that, I always believed that good teams were built from the back out, so I'm hoping that's where the focus has been and we're slowly shifting towards something different.

Starting with one up front at home to Blackburn stinks, as did some of his changes and the timing of them. That said, it takes time to find your best team and the best way to fit them all and its too early to be in a 'NO' camp.

Most folk know I think it was premature to let Hughes go, but that's been done and I don't want the same shit again. As Renato said, we'd look like complete idiots to do it again.

Sometimes its hard to differentiate between faith and hope, but I definitely have something... if that helps.


Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.

Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)


You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!


He did nothing for wales and was average at best at blackburn. He was rumoured from the begining to be after Crocky which I never agreed with and I hated the fact that he then spent so long chasing a brittle one season wonder with an open cheque book.

Mancini is a different case, he is proven in another league, he inherited hughes' squad and taught them how to defend last season. He then spent the summer making the squad his own with some fantastic additions and he hasnt had the time with a fit squad to get HIS players playing HIS way..
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby ronk » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:00 pm

Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.

Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)


You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!


£3m? You may want to sit down...
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby ant london » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:14 pm

ronk wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
sandman wrote:
Talk of losing confidence 4 games into the season when we have new players in the starting line up and others out injured is pathetic, and its this pathetic mistrust that saw us change managers so often in the past. If he started this thread at Xmas then fair do's but this is pathetic.

Apart from that I agree with your views on Mancini, though I always believed that Hughes should never have been appointed, not because who he played for but because of his poor managerial CV and his desperation to waste money on signings like Crocky. (though I am more than happy with a number of his signings)


You didn't want him appointed because he had a poor CV and he wasted 3m on RSC? I think I'd rather the "because he used to play for them" reason mate!


£3m? You may want to sit down...



I presume he is referring to the fact that Hughes appointment wasn't too Sandman's taste allegedly because of his pre-City record when he'd "been average for wales and wasted money on RSC...(ie for Blackburn)". He only spent 3million on him for Blackburn.

And THAT was 3 million well spent
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby ronk » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:43 pm

Well sure, but Sandman was clearly talking about Hughes signing record with us. His ability to unearth gems like Samba and RSC (and Kompany) was never under question, it was his ability with a bigger budget.

If you wanted a manager to pick one (relatively unknown) foreign player from the German league and make a good buy, he was your man. Otherwise we mostly overpaid because we pursued a very small pool of obvious players.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:46 pm

I'm surprised how many do have faith in him. I HOPE he can get it right, he should do with the players that are here. I'm pretty pleased with his signings, I like the way he conducts himself. I just ahh sort of don't think he is going to do it. I've seen nothing to suggest he has the magic formula. We have been criticised for buying so many attacking players, well it does start to look valid criticism when he is so reluctant to use them. We have all seen that Tevez on his own up front makes us less of an attacking threat and yet he persists with it...and against fodder like Blackburn who were never going to come and go all out at us. Not good enough. Why wasn't Silva playing. Why not two strikers, Why not show us this attacking intent we have. Why was Vieira on the pitch? We look negative, we didn't cause either Sunderland nor Blackburn enough problems. And if you can't be bold against these sides, God help us when we play somebody half decent.
Just a feeling about him that's all. Whether we should sack him or not wasn't really the question. That brings in other considerations. I really hope I'm wrong about him.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Kladze » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:46 pm

ScapeGoat wrote:
Kladze wrote:Only one man can pick a team.
Much as we'd all like to be that man we can't be.


Would be fun though. Imagine if a club had no manager, but instead used online polls for formations and lineups, transfers and even in game substitutions. Registered fans could vote and in effect "manage". Power to the people :)


0-1 after ten minutes ......... cue three substitutions and the command to "throw the kitchen sink at them". Here comes the cavalry.

Hey! you may be on to something here. ;-)
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby mcfctm » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:55 pm

Dubaimancityfan wrote:
Bingo Lewis wrote:He'll be good when he gets some balls. He's a shithouse. 451 at home to Blackburn isn't acceptable. Away at Chelsea is fine, but got to be more attacking at home. 7 minutes for Silva? Jo instead of Santa? Taking Jonno off when Milner was plainly knackered?

Must improve, too many mistakes there for me.


Agree with all the above (except the shithouse stuff!) but I still have faith in him.

Pretty much summed it up for me. He'll learn from his mistakes though and he is worth sticking with.
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