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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Trautmann » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:36 pm

Too soon to assess. I suspect/hope he is transitioning City to a new level.

The injuries have been a problem, and will be resolved soon. We need a striker and I hope Ade and Baliotelli (when healthy) step it up. The Liverpool game gave us a glimpse of what this side can do. This is the first season I have not experienced huge anxiety starting off--they look really good and will settle in.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:42 pm

Trautmann wrote:Too soon to assess. I suspect/hope he is transitioning City to a new level.

The injuries have been a problem, and will be resolved soon. We need a striker and I hope Ade and Baliotelli (when healthy) step it up. The Liverpool game gave us a glimpse of what this side can do. This is the first season I have not experienced huge anxiety starting off--they look really good and will settle in.


When Chelsea, or filth fans used to complain about injuries, i always said that it was a lame excuse considering the advantage they had in spending on their squad. The strength of the bench is always an indication of the strength of a team we were told. well I'm afraid after the spending we have done, and the amount of top class players we have, blaming the absence of three guys who haven't totalled a full match between them is not really good enough.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Kladze » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:46 pm

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Trautmann wrote:Too soon to assess. I suspect/hope he is transitioning City to a new level.

The injuries have been a problem, and will be resolved soon. We need a striker and I hope Ade and Baliotelli (when healthy) step it up. The Liverpool game gave us a glimpse of what this side can do. This is the first season I have not experienced huge anxiety starting off--they look really good and will settle in.


When Chelsea, or filth fans used to complain about injuries, i always said that it was a lame excuse considering the advantage they had in spending on their squad. The strength of the bench is always an indication of the strength of a team we were told. well I'm afraid after the spending we have done, and the amount of top class players we have, blaming the absence of three guys who haven't totalled a full match between them is not really good enough.


Oh come off it!

A mode d'emploi which requires two good attacking full backs and our first three choices are injured?

You can argue he should change the system maybe but ............
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby colonel_muck » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:45 pm

start of the season i would have said no, but i will be holding on to that liverpool performance which was one of the most professional displays i've ever seen from a city team. we clicked that night, and though we've not clicked as well since it's there for all to see that his footballing philosophy is right. he made mistakes in his line up on saturday (notably barry not starting) but that happens. i have unstable faith at the moment!
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Elvistheblue » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:46 pm

Yes....It will al come good in the end.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby 9secondlegend » Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:58 pm

100% yes
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Sep 13, 2010 4:15 pm

Kladze wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Trautmann wrote:Too soon to assess. I suspect/hope he is transitioning City to a new level.

The injuries have been a problem, and will be resolved soon. We need a striker and I hope Ade and Baliotelli (when healthy) step it up. The Liverpool game gave us a glimpse of what this side can do. This is the first season I have not experienced huge anxiety starting off--they look really good and will settle in.


When Chelsea, or filth fans used to complain about injuries, i always said that it was a lame excuse considering the advantage they had in spending on their squad. The strength of the bench is always an indication of the strength of a team we were told. well I'm afraid after the spending we have done, and the amount of top class players we have, blaming the absence of three guys who haven't totalled a full match between them is not really good enough.


Oh come off it!

A mode d'emploi which requires two good attacking full backs and our first three choices are injured?

You can argue he should change the system maybe but ............


If he relys on fullbacks to win us the league we'll be waiting a long time.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby TonyM » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:28 am

I don't have great faith in him to be honest. I like him though.

I have to say he's brought in decent players - shame many are injured. Due to the better players we seem to be playing better as a unit. Still can't say Mancini is a good manager though. We need to see results and decent football before he gets much credit imo.

How he gets so much good press is beyond me. I don't want to see him unfairly unhounded but he deserves nothing until he does something worthwhile. I've lost patience in us picking favourites and villians for no good reason. We seem to be better followers of fashion than honest supporters if I'm being highly critical.

Please Mr Mancini do something worthy of praise - I've got a newly born Blue son and I want him to be a happy blue in 10 years time but there'll be no City for him at all if we screw this one up...and an awful lot rides on you Mr. Mancini. Please do your very best - in any case :-)
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby kinkylola » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:41 am

I do have faith in him ... and not to make excuses but I think the WC has had more of an affect on us than most other teams. Not only do we have to deal with players out for that, but most of those players are new arrivals and it is quite obvious at times that we have not gelled. That being said, it also is obvious at times that we are at the beginnings of developing some really cultured play here at the club. Bar the spurs game (where i don't think we did much well to be honest), we have had passages of play in each game that have been brilliant.

Hitting that more consistantly is something that comes as the squad has played together more often and I think that will come. That being said, the important at the end of the day is results and if we don't start producing then it's not going to be good for bobby. I do believe that he wouldn't be too far off if he felt a little let down by some of his key players at this point, but hopefully that will change.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby sandman » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:00 am

ronk wrote:Well sure, but Sandman was clearly talking about Hughes signing record with us. His ability to unearth gems like Samba and RSC (and Kompany) was never under question, it was his ability with a bigger budget.

If you wanted a manager to pick one (relatively unknown) foreign player from the German league and make a good buy, he was your man. Otherwise we mostly overpaid because we pursued a very small pool of obvious players.


Spot on, thats exactly what I was saying, I never rated Crocky before we started chasing him and I was disgusted with the price we threw at him.

The money we threw at Crocky said to agents all of the world, we're wadded, please take the piss!!
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby brite blu sky » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:31 am

Lets remember it is the easiest thing in the world to criticise. It is going off topic dragging Hughes's transfers into this thread, so we may as well drag Sven's signings into it as well. Hughes at least had a policy of trying to get players that were proven or looked like they had a good chance of survivng in the Prem. RSC aside he (and the club by that time ) made a half decent job of that compared to Sven. That has continued under Mancini. Apart from Robson, who was bought for other reasons, the bulk of the signings since Sven have been players that are both decent and capable of longer term survival in the Prem. Most also have been targeted as adding something we needed or were missing altogether. That should also be put in the context of who was available ( say already playing in the Prem ) and could in all seriousness be landed by City at the time.

Think of any manager who is 'respected' for their purchases and they have all made cock-ups at some point or other.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:46 am

Francis Lee used to quote a statistic about the number of signings that don't work out & it was surprisingly high. I think we've done brilliantly so far & Hughes & Mancini have made teriffic signings at each stage of the club's evolution.

Because of that success in the transfer market though, there really is nowhere to hide for a manager this season. Last season imo was a building one for the last transfer window where it was expected we change a top 6 team into a top 4 team. We've certainly done that on paper & even with injuries, we've added Milner & Toure to an already excellent squad. There's no point in letting go of Robinho, Ireland & Bellamy then saying we're missing players; you make the bed & lie in it. (We had David Silva on the bench).

Sam Allardyce or Stuart Pearce would be expected to beat Sunderland & Blackburn with those players available & would be getting heavy shit right now for not doing. We have quite a few games against similar teams coming up. Pearce or Sam would be out of a job if they failed against those teams too, no question. It's important for Mancini to get results in this period or he's in danger, faith or not.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby glyntowen » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:02 am

unsure at the moment

he had some good results last season with some big wins, but we then lost a number of critical games many of which were down to him being too negative and/or out thought by the opposing manager. We were the equivalent of a Graeme Hick, a flat track bully that can hammer mid-table teams but comes unstuck against the better quality - Chelsea was an exception but Hillarious in goal for them did help us on that day.

this season we got out of jail against spurs, played well against the poorest Liverpool team I've seen since Souness was their manager and threw away a possible win against Sunderland by not taking our chances and then putting in a poor second half performance. I find his tactics too negative, he has tightened the defence up and it's been unfortunate that he has had to play Richards with JB being injured.

His signing have been good, v impressed with Yaya, Milner and JB, unsure about Koralov. As for Silva, It always sticks in my mind that Wenger says all foreign players need 6 months to fully settle into the Prem so he needs time and will hopefully get some games.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby sandman » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:25 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Francis Lee used to quote a statistic about the number of signings that don't work out & it was surprisingly high. I think we've done brilliantly so far & Hughes & Mancini have made teriffic signings at each stage of the club's evolution.


I totally agree with that, I dont even blame Pearce for Samaras, he looked like he had loads of potential. "A Rough Diamond" some might say?

My issue is spending a ridiculous amount on a player that was possibly good enough for where we were but certainkly not good enough for where we wanted to be. Spending like that on a probable failure only shows agents and clubs that we are open to ransom.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby john68 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:30 am

I think it is far too early to even attempt a definitive opinion on whether Mancini will be suceessful and get us trophies. We are still only a few games into his new season project and building a top side can take years.
Almost all managers make mistakes but because of their lack of resources, they are stuck with them. The great thing about City having the resources is that Mancini can afford to correct his. No matter who we buy or what they may have done in the past, even the best managers don't fully know how the chemistry will work and every new player is a gamble. It's a learning process for the manager just as much as it is with the players and that takes time. If mistakes need correcting, that means more time.

Circumstances pre-season haven't been king to us. A lot of new players to be assimilated into the squad, the World Cup meaning late arrivals and now injuries, all serve to delay the schedule. We started the season with players who had hardly any chance to shake hands,, let alone understand who was making what run when and where. Coupled with the loss of plyers after the start of the season for international breaks and Manini and his squad have lacked the 2 things necessary to bring the squad together. Time and stability.

As the season develops, he will get that necessary time and we'll get a bigger picture and so will he. I fully expected us to be a bit up and down and was suprised at our results against Spurs and L'Pool. It's a little too early to go shouting about where we are yet. Let the mistakes develop and allow them to be corrected and whatch us go.

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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby pepsi_dave » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:13 pm

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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Mike J » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:15 pm

i really dont know. i like the bloke but the tactics he deploys, particularly at home are concerning me. with the players we have at our disposal we should be hammering teams like blackburn at home.

im also struggling to forgive him for flogging bellamy. madness imo.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby brite blu sky » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:09 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Francis Lee used to quote a statistic about the number of signings that don't work out & it was surprisingly high. I think we've done brilliantly so far & Hughes & Mancini have made teriffic signings at each stage of the club's evolution.

Because of that success in the transfer market though, there really is nowhere to hide for a manager this season. Last season imo was a building one for the last transfer window where it was expected we change a top 6 team into a top 4 team. We've certainly done that on paper & even with injuries, we've added Milner & Toure to an already excellent squad. There's no point in letting go of Robinho, Ireland & Bellamy then saying we're missing players; you make the bed & lie in it. (We had David Silva on the bench).

Sam Allardyce or Stuart Pearce would be expected to beat Sunderland & Blackburn with those players available & would be getting heavy shit right now for not doing. We have quite a few games against similar teams coming up. Pearce or Sam would be out of a job if they failed against those teams too, no question. It's important for Mancini to get results in this period or he's in danger, faith or not.


Thats a bit ott Ted.. i very much doubt iether Sam or Pearce would be under pressure after two poor results at the begining of their first full season, cant see at all what you are getting at there.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Lee_R » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:15 pm

Absolutely yes. Just wait until all our players are fit and settled and give him at least 2 years, we'll be set up to challenge for everything.
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Re: Do you have faith in Mancini?

Postby Wooders » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:44 pm

I do have a fair few reservations about him so I guess the answer is "no"
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