Players want Mancini sacked

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Getting rid of Mancini would surely be a mistake but this kind of story is very worrying whether it's totally true or not.I have said from the start the most important challenge for Mancini was to get hold of the changing room and have the players working with him and for him. The talent we have is undeniable and a half decent coach would be able to get results with them but to blend them into a real trophy winning side needs a lot more.

If there is a problem in the camp what is the reason for it? Mancini has already got rid of so called problem players ( Ireland,Nedum,Bellers,Robinho,Petrov) so what else could it be? Surely not anything to do with money? Is it to do with team selection or maybe playing tactics? I expect Mancini will be talking seige mentality this morning and reminding all the players how important sheer effort is in winning games. I don't expect to see anything different in training this week but I do expect a different team to go out against WBA next weekend.

When's your next training report Douglas?

I am assuming they will be out this morning so will be on the way soon.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

The only way to deal with this is to do what the Sh!t do...If this information is indeed true

1...Ban all press from the ground

2...Don't give pre-match press conferences, give any information via the site using in house journo's such as Chris Bailey via the video section. thios way any information cannot be twisted and supporters can see for themselves any message the club is trying to get across

3...Get players to sign NDA's...if they release any info to the press...they receive heavy financial sanctions from the club.

The Sun are banned from the ground.

Yes...and which other papers have recently written stories which were complete bollocks? Its not just limited to the Sun.

In addition, elements of the broadcast media need to have their wings clipped....such as Collymore and Talksport for some of their opinions, especially post the NDJ/Ben Arfa incident.

You can play the game and ban the odd paper , refuse to do interviews or whatever but there will always be stories deigned to destablise the club if the papers think it will improve sales.

I expect freelance photographers to be all over the place this morning. We have to get on with the job, do it better, beat WBA and then the scum and it will quieten down a bit but ultimately we have to win a trohpy as until then we are fair game.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Getting rid of Mancini would surely be a mistake but this kind of story is very worrying whether it's totally true or not.I have said from the start the most important challenge for Mancini was to get hold of the changing room and have the players working with him and for him. The talent we have is undeniable and a half decent coach would be able to get results with them but to blend them into a real trophy winning side needs a lot more.

If there is a problem in the camp what is the reason for it? Mancini has already got rid of so called problem players ( Ireland,Nedum,Bellers,Robinho,Petrov) so what else could it be? Surely not anything to do with money? Is it to do with team selection or maybe playing tactics? I expect Mancini will be talking seige mentality this morning and reminding all the players how important sheer effort is in winning games. I don't expect to see anything different in training this week but I do expect a different team to go out against WBA next weekend.

When's your next training report Douglas?

I am assuming they will be out this morning so will be on the way soon.

SkySports News were there and a couple of extra photographers but no training.More like 3pm . ( in the dark!)

[Swales4ever]

I know exactly what the problem is & why there are so many media stories of players disliking each other & all hating the manager; we play Manchester United in 10 days. If we beat them, it sends out a big statement & could be the 1st step towards a change of power. You do the math(s).

Ted - my tactical antagonist (and that's the beauty of forums) as usual talks spot on sense.

I'd like to extend his thought wider:

1) unfortunately we are living a low empire's age, where the old simple and clean values of the Mercer & Allison football are - sadly - far away

2) Football is still our beloved entertainment but it is also become a multi-multi billionaire industry - and this is truer in England where all the low and middle class common people set up their family's economy around the love for footy and their Club.

3) the Blue Moon rising is not only a question of some fooking jurnous simpaty - on the contrary is a rising force which will move a serious amount of the money that turn around the football industry from some points of influence [the currently so called established Big Four] to another.

4) Then - if You all allowed a foreigner to come to the extreme - the above is furthermore bursting because City is owned and runned by Foreigners.

THAT IS WHY - Bobby Manc or NOT - all the Blues Comunity should ACTUALLY stick togheter behind THE CLUB and Their Choices, obviously imho.

[john68]

As Ted pointed out...we play the rags in 10 days...and this is not the 1st time that we have been on the thick end of controversial nonsense and sensational shite in order to destabilise us. Remember too that the gutter press do not wish to lose their cash cow (the rags) and have them seen to be lower than City in the pecking order.

All clubs have cliques and groups, all clubs have players who are unhappy, all clubs have staff who have complaints. There hasn't ever been a club formed that didn't have some form of disunity within it. All clubs live with it on a daily basis and get on with it. City are being targetted by the gutter press to destabilise us. The gutter press is using its popular power to pursue its own agenda.

Decisions made at City should be made by City not the gutter press.

We have a derby to play shortly...time to circle the wagons, stand firm and focus on the job in hand. WINNING THE LEAGUE.

[Swales4ever]

Neil Custis also reported that the Sheikh gave Gold Watches to all the players, did he not? The amount of lies and fabrications this man has written about City is quite staggering actually... I doubt he has any sources at all within City.

Just going off what McCarthy from the Mirror was saying this morning on SSN. He was giving credence to it and stated that Custis knows a lot of people within City. I personally haven't a clue which reporters from which papers have access to which players at which clubs. I doubt anyone does apart from people within the industry themselves

Fingers crossed. If You do succed, You might have Stevie - the world beater - back and his Pink Missus in charge of the City bench, maybe.

Sacking Bobby Manc in no way would be deemed as success in my eyes, i want the manager to stay more than i want some of the current squad to stay. Sacking the manager would just increase the players egos further still and cause them to think that they run the club. The tail should never wag the dog.

But... if he is sacked then i'm two hundred quid up on the deal and will make for a very good weekend.

Dear Fishy, believe me or not I learnt to love MCFC as much as I do love Roberto, and if changing him with some other top Coach [the fucking portoguese egomaniac apart] may help City to rise to the Top faster I would have nothing against.
The reality is that - even for a very very qualified workman - it take time to draw a business plan. set it up and execute it. Mancio is not a wizard (same as Pep Guard, Ancelotti, Hiddink, Van Gaal and few others are not) and time and stability is needed.

On a very joking side note - just a funny reply to your good humor - I'd humbly suggest You to back a tenner on the bet You may find on the bottom of miy signature. Indeed is qiute hard to realize - as well as Your proposed - but it will bring You far more and more joy to Your Blue heart - just in case... :-)
Cheers.

[BobKowalski]

As Ted pointed out...we play the rags in 10 days...and this is not the 1st time that we have been on the thick end of controversial nonsense and sensational shite in order to destabilise us. Remember too that the gutter press do not wish to lose their cash cow (the rags) and have them seen to be lower than City in the pecking order.

All clubs have cliques and groups, all clubs have players who are unhappy, all clubs have staff who have complaints. There hasn't ever been a club formed that didn't have some form of disunity within it. All clubs live with it on a daily basis and get on with it. City are being targetted by the gutter press to destabilise us. The gutter press is using its popular power to pursue its own agenda.

Decisions made at City should be made by City not the gutter press.

We have a derby to play shortly...time to circle the wagons, stand firm and focus on the job in hand. WINNING THE LEAGUE.

It does always seem to start with the derby fast approaching. As I said earlier with MoN and Pulis and pretty much every team in the PL there are players who would love to see the back of their manager or as the AV players put it 'lets pop open the champers' oh and cue media shocked reaction but then MoN is British and was on the protected species list. Mancini isn't although Henry Winter is leading a robust defence but that just shows its as much about whose side you are on as much as the facts or the reality of the situation.

I am fairly sure some players do leak to Custis and there are a few who would love to see the back of Mancini and a few who would love Hughes back. If Hughes was here Shay Given would be in goal and Lescott would not be relegated behind Boyata and Santa Cruz would be leading the line (assuming if by some miracle he was fit) so yeah we have a crappy performance and result and Ade kicking off so cue its all going into meltdown and 'if I can increase the pressure on the manager and effect a change I may get my place back or at the very least I get to stick the knife into the c**t who sidelined me'

Like the drinking story which was all about 'challenging the manager' but then Wenger also counsels against the adverse effect of drink and looking after yourself and then you have Bentdnar splashed across the tabloids absolutely bladdered with his trousers round his ankles as he staggers out of a nightclub or Keane organising a bender in Ireland with the squad despite Harry instructions not to. Harry then deals with it with minimum of fuss and media treats it lightly. Now imagine that was City and the media frenzy that would follow.

[Beefymcfc]

Getting rid of Mancini would surely be a mistake but this kind of story is very worrying whether it's totally true or not.I have said from the start the most important challenge for Mancini was to get hold of the changing room and have the players working with him and for him. The talent we have is undeniable and a half decent coach would be able to get results with them but to blend them into a real trophy winning side needs a lot more.

If there is a problem in the camp what is the reason for it? Mancini has already got rid of so called problem players ( Ireland,Nedum,Bellers,Robinho,Petrov) so what else could it be? Surely not anything to do with money? Is it to do with team selection or maybe playing tactics? I expect Mancini will be talking seige mentality this morning and reminding all the players how important sheer effort is in winning games. I don't expect to see anything different in training this week but I do expect a different team to go out against WBA next weekend.

When's your next training report Douglas?

I am assuming they will be out this morning so will be on the way soon.

SkySports News were there and a couple of extra photographers but no training.More like 3pm . ( in the dark!)

Was there something official or were they there to get footage of all the miserable faces and disgruntled demeanours; frickin' parasites. Are you going to be popping back down for a quick look mate or do reckon that's it for the day, working inside and all that?

[Ted Hughes]

As Ted pointed out...we play the rags in 10 days...and this is not the 1st time that we have been on the thick end of controversial nonsense and sensational shite in order to destabilise us. Remember too that the gutter press do not wish to lose their cash cow (the rags) and have them seen to be lower than City in the pecking order.

All clubs have cliques and groups, all clubs have players who are unhappy, all clubs have staff who have complaints. There hasn't ever been a club formed that didn't have some form of disunity within it. All clubs live with it on a daily basis and get on with it. City are being targetted by the gutter press to destabilise us. The gutter press is using its popular power to pursue its own agenda.

Decisions made at City should be made by City not the gutter press.

We have a derby to play shortly...time to circle the wagons, stand firm and focus on the job in hand. WINNING THE LEAGUE.

It does always seem to start with the derby fast approaching. As I said earlier with MoN and Pulis and pretty much every team in the PL there are players who would love to see the back of their manager or as the AV players put it 'lets pop open the champers' oh and cue media shocked reaction but then MoN is British and was on the protected species list. Mancini isn't although Henry Winter is leading a robust defence but that just shows its as much about whose side you are on as much as the facts or the reality of the situation.

I am fairly sure some players do leak to Custis and there are a few who would love to see the back of Mancini and a few who would love Hughes back. If Hughes was here Shay Given would be in goal and Lescott would not be relegated behind Boyata and Santa Cruz would be leading the line (assuming if by some miracle he was fit) so yeah we have a crappy performance and result and Ade kicking off so cue its all going into meltdown and 'if I can increase the pressure on the manager and effect a change I may get my place back or at the very least I get to stick the knife into the c**t who sidelined me'

Like the drinking story which was all about 'challenging the manager' but then Wenger also counsels against the adverse effect of drink and looking after yourself and then you have Bentdnar splashed across the tabloids absolutely bladdered with his trousers round his ankles as he staggers out of a nightclub or Keane organising a bender in Ireland with the squad despite Harry instructions not to. Harry then deals with it with minimum of fuss and media treats it lightly. Now imagine that was City and the media frenzy that would follow.

If we go through the squad list, which players would be friends with Custis or any other rag loving hacks? When are they supposed to have formed these relationships? Most of the 1st team squad have only arrived at City in the last year or two so when have these local tabloid blokes had chance to build a relationship with them? It would be more likely a brummie reporter who's freinds with Barry or Milner, a scouse one with Lescott etc. The only big suspects would be SWP Micah or Joe Hart. I'm pretty sure Ireland was a blabbermouth so he could still be spreading rumours. The rest are all foreigners. More likely though it's not coming from the players at all.

[Beefymcfc]

Bobby's just been on SSN and said that it's a load of horse-shit, and I tend to believe it. A few disgruntled players, yes - meltdown, don't make me laugh.

[The Man In Blue]

Bobby's just been on SSN and said that it's a load of horse-shit, and I tend to believe it. A few disgruntled players, yes - meltdown, don't make me laugh.

Well, either Doug or this NotW cunt is lying - Doug regularly describes players staying behind to practice shooting/crossing - NotW says staying behind is banned.

Who's the bullshitter?

[Beeks]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 93,00.html

[BobKowalski]

As Ted pointed out...we play the rags in 10 days...and this is not the 1st time that we have been on the thick end of controversial nonsense and sensational shite in order to destabilise us. Remember too that the gutter press do not wish to lose their cash cow (the rags) and have them seen to be lower than City in the pecking order.

All clubs have cliques and groups, all clubs have players who are unhappy, all clubs have staff who have complaints. There hasn't ever been a club formed that didn't have some form of disunity within it. All clubs live with it on a daily basis and get on with it. City are being targetted by the gutter press to destabilise us. The gutter press is using its popular power to pursue its own agenda.

Decisions made at City should be made by City not the gutter press.

We have a derby to play shortly...time to circle the wagons, stand firm and focus on the job in hand. WINNING THE LEAGUE.

It does always seem to start with the derby fast approaching. As I said earlier with MoN and Pulis and pretty much every team in the PL there are players who would love to see the back of their manager or as the AV players put it 'lets pop open the champers' oh and cue media shocked reaction but then MoN is British and was on the protected species list. Mancini isn't although Henry Winter is leading a robust defence but that just shows its as much about whose side you are on as much as the facts or the reality of the situation.

I am fairly sure some players do leak to Custis and there are a few who would love to see the back of Mancini and a few who would love Hughes back. If Hughes was here Shay Given would be in goal and Lescott would not be relegated behind Boyata and Santa Cruz would be leading the line (assuming if by some miracle he was fit) so yeah we have a crappy performance and result and Ade kicking off so cue its all going into meltdown and 'if I can increase the pressure on the manager and effect a change I may get my place back or at the very least I get to stick the knife into the c**t who sidelined me'

Like the drinking story which was all about 'challenging the manager' but then Wenger also counsels against the adverse effect of drink and looking after yourself and then you have Bentdnar splashed across the tabloids absolutely bladdered with his trousers round his ankles as he staggers out of a nightclub or Keane organising a bender in Ireland with the squad despite Harry instructions not to. Harry then deals with it with minimum of fuss and media treats it lightly. Now imagine that was City and the media frenzy that would follow.

If we go through the squad list, which players would be friends with Custis or any other rag loving hacks? When are they supposed to have formed these relationships? Most of the 1st team squad have only arrived at City in the last year or two so when have these local tabloid blokes had chance to build a relationship with them? It would be more likely a brummie reporter who's freinds with Barry or Milner, a scouse one with Lescott etc. The only big suspects would be SWP Micah or Joe Hart. I'm pretty sure Ireland was a blabbermouth so he could still be spreading rumours. The rest are all foreigners. More likely though it's not coming from the players at all.

Not sure it needs much of a relationship. I always think Given must be mightly pissed at being sidelined. If I was Given I would hate Mancini's guts right now and it don't take much doing to drop a few words in someone's ears. I am not saying it is Given or that it is any of the players but it wouldn't be a major surprise if some of the fringe players were doing a bit of stirring. As I said all clubs have players pissed at the manager. Its just that no one is interested in what happens at Blackburn or Stoke.

[MaineRoadMemories]

Leaks and info very rarely comes directly from playing staff simply because they do not need the money. Journo's are trained to befriend people inside clubs/organisations who can get the info they need for a payment. Think more along the lines of kit men, PA's, events people, finance assistants. This is where leaks come from 90% of the time.

[Beefymcfc]

Leaks and info very rarely comes directly from playing staff simply because they do not need the money. Journo's are trained to befriend people inside clubs/organisations who can get the info they need for a payment. Think more along the lines of kit men, PA's, events people, finance assistants. This is where leaks come from 90% of the time.

And the problem lye's within. To make money then the story has to be a good one so they are exaggerated to meet the need of the journo.

I saw Nige kick a ball in anger the other day, and from the angle I was at it flew right passed his head, even though from the right angle it was 30 feet away from him and heading nowhere but the nets. Could that be embellished?

[BobKowalski]

Leaks and info very rarely comes directly from playing staff simply because they do not need the money. Journo's are trained to befriend people inside clubs/organisations who can get the info they need for a payment. Think more along the lines of kit men, PA's, events people, finance assistants. This is where leaks come from 90% of the time.

And the problem lye's within. To make money then the story has to be a good one so they are exaggerated to meet the need of the journo.

I saw Nige kick a ball in anger the other day, and from the angle I was at it flew right passed his head, even though from the right angle it was 30 feet away from him and heading nowhere but the nets. Could that be embellished?

You mean embellished a bit like the "De Jong reinacts horror tackle for amusement of his teammates" by the same jouno?

It will be in Wednesday's Sun no probs

[shawzy]

Good to see Bobby speaking out to the tabloid goss.


Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini had a one-word response to speculation that his players want him replaced.

Asked about reports of players being unhappy following consecutive defeats, Mancini simply told Sky Sports News: "Rubbish".

Saturday's 2-1 defeat at Wolves left City fourth in the Barclays Premier League, eight points behind leaders Chelsea.

Mancini has also faced problems off the field recently, with the Italian last week hitting out at what he sees as a drinking culture in British football after reports emerged suggesting City quartet Adam Johnson, Gareth Barry, Joe Hart and Shay Given were involved in late-night partying on a trip to Scotland.

"I am unhappy about this, but for them. We play every three days and it is difficult to recover," he said.

"I think this problem is not only for us, it is for many players. For British players, it is part of the culture."

City travel to face Lech Poznan on Thursday in the Europa League before meeting West Brom at The Hawthorns on Sunday.

[johnny crossan]

As Ted pointed out...we play the rags in 10 days...and this is not the 1st time that we have been on the thick end of controversial nonsense and sensational shite in order to destabilise us. Remember too that the gutter press do not wish to lose their cash cow (the rags) and have them seen to be lower than City in the pecking order.

All clubs have cliques and groups, all clubs have players who are unhappy, all clubs have staff who have complaints. There hasn't ever been a club formed that didn't have some form of disunity within it. All clubs live with it on a daily basis and get on with it. City are being targetted by the gutter press to destabilise us. The gutter press is using its popular power to pursue its own agenda.

Decisions made at City should be made by City not the gutter press.

We have a derby to play shortly...time to circle the wagons, stand firm and focus on the job in hand. WINNING THE LEAGUE.

but you said it wasn't made up........"senior journalists" and all that.....?????

[Beefymcfc]

From OS:

Gareth Barry has poured scorn on suggestions that all is not well within the City camp.

Boss Roberto Mancini told waiting newsmen at Carrington today that stories about rifts in the dressing room were ‘rubbish’ and the England midfielder echoed that sentiment.

“The truth is that there is a group of players working together, working hard and working for the manager, trying to do the right things,” declared Barry.

“Everyone in that dressing room and that training complex wants to do their best for Manchester City Football Club.”

Barry found himself courting controversy last week when he was caught on a phone camera partying with students on a trip to St Andrew’s in Scotland to play golf.

“I regret that, it was naive of me. It shouldn’t have happened,” he said of the incident that occurred on a day off.

“I have apologised to the manager; we were in the wrong but that is in the past now and we are only looking forward.

'We were very disappointed to lose at Wolves but we know we are not in a desperate position. It is important that we work harder and prove doubters wrong'

“As a group of players we let the club and the fans down at Wolves. We are sorry for that but it is only one result and as a team we are now desperate to put that right. The best way of doing that is on the pitch with wins, starting on Thursday in the Europa League.”

Visit mcfc.co.uk tomorrow morning for the full Barry video interview

[Swales4ever]

YOU Bad Beefy!... :-)
How do You dare withdrawing an argument the widows kept closed in their hearts for so long???

It's not fair - we have been beaten twice in a row - and they deserve a bit of joy...