Opinions On Mancini From A Few Months Ago

[saulman]

It was much more important that we didn't lose than take the gamble. United didn't attack either and this shows the respect they now have for us. This argument has been done to death and will only be settled on 12th Feb at OT. Then I fully expect them to come at us and I fully expect us to nick it.

Rubbish. I expect City to attempt to win every game and attack the opponents, especially at home. It was such a good opportunity to beat them. We have beaten far, far better United sides in the past with much worse teams.

United did attack, but they had no luck as we had 11 men behind the ball. We were scared of them. We should have pushed them right up the pitch, got right in their faces and thrown bodies forward in the attack.

Even if we beat United at OT, it makes no difference to the game in November. We bottled it, fact.

Like I said, this argument has been done to death and will only be settled on 12th Feb at OT. If we take 4pts off them for the season, I will deem it a success. If we take 2 pts for the season I will be OK with it. You will probably moan that we didn't get 6pts. Such is life and we're all entitled to our opinion.

I'm not a pesimist, but decades of watching City have made me a realist (with an unrealistic dose of optimism every now and then)

We should have pushed them right up the pitch, got right in their faces and thrown bodies forward in the attack.

We would have either won, drawn or got beat. As the Scum haven't been beat by anyone all season, I doubt we could have done it at that time. I think we'd have been chasing the game from very early on and been soundly beaten by a team that at that time was better equipped to win the game. Last season we missed out on a Chumps League place by a point. This season, I'll take the points where they happen. Epsecially against decent opposition.

To keep harping back to the derby and how we could/should/might have won it is just plain daft. Mancini got his tactics right IMO and will no doubt be proved right at the end of the season.

[sandman]

Self Praise Alert... My comment from Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:00 pm

I ask myself the following questions when I am feeling doubtful;

1. Am I confident we will have our highest finish in the Premier League?

Yes

2. Am I confident we will be playing Champions League Football next year?

Yes

3. Has the manager had sufficient time (full season with HIS team?)

No

4. Is there anybody else available that is proven at his level but in this league?

No

5. Is there anybody else AVAILABLE that is proven better than his level in any other league?

No

6. Have we taken points off our benchmark (Top of the league)?

Yes... 3

7. Am I impressed with the majority of his signings?

Yes

Now the only one we fail on is taking points off the top of the league, but now we're level on points with them hey?

Mancini is the man, I wasnt always 100% but now I am.

Classic question's designed for a purpose - to prove a point. Yet if you asked yourself a question to the effect - 'Are we playing in a manner that I would like to see?' as was a couple of month's back, then that question may have a massive impact on what the rest of the answer's may be. It's all about perception.

WRONG... Yes they are questions designed for a purpose, to highlight the good points and put things in perspective for when then kneee jerkers are showing their usual hot headed and fickle selves.

Yes its all about perception, because I see further than my nose, yes we may have lost to Everton, but the next week we could have thumped Villa 4-0... After the everton game I was furious with the players (and with Mancini for not replacing Zabba when he was off the pitch for so long) But did I call for their heads? No.. I have faith in our set up, so I simply pointed out how spineless they were and voiced my disgust in their attitudes and lack of bollocks.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

[saulman]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

But at that time we were solid at the back but struggling up front. We played to our strengths.

Mancini knew the attacking formation he wanted with Yaya marauding forward, Silva with his little magic passes and Teves' workrate and shear bloody-mindedness. It's a brilliant combination that hadn't yet clicked. With the other attacking players either injured or out-of-form, we couldn't afford to go behind. If we couldn't break Birmingham down, why would we have broken down the only team that's unbeaten this season?

I can see this is going nowhere as it did at the time. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Then at the end of the season when we nick the title by a point, I'll come and serve you a massive slice of humble pie. OR if we miss the title by two points, you can do the same.

[john68]

Slim,
Whichever way it is dressed up, the records of Hughes and Mancini have not been dramatically different. Fulham is a whole different kettle of fish mate.
The point I was trying to make was one of having patience. I am happy that we seem to (hopefully) have learned that lesson and will allow Mancini the resources and time to make his mistakes in the future, rectify them and push us onwards.
IMHO (maybe not yours), we pushed Hughes too quickly. Many would have been happy to do the same with Mancini.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Mancini frustrates the hell out of me. I am still of the same opinion, today was a good day :-)

Today was a good but routine day. Beating Newcastle was the really good day :)

Really? I've been having sex wees since last night.... well since Newcastle really. I can always count on visit to mancityfans.net to bring me back to earth.

[ronk]

I suppose it's bizarre in a lot of ways but I really liked the game against the scum. We changed the rules and you could see it spooked them. There wasn't the intensity of the derby, it was more like a chess match in terms of tactics and patient build up play. They didn't come to play, we didn't do anything daft that would throw away the game.

They expected us to crack, we didn't, they didn't have another plan. It was a very mature performance from us, sure I'd have liked us to attack more and next time we probably will, but a key part of the development of the team was that game. We adhered to the gameplan and kept it tight in defence while probing in attack in the face of provocation (they dared us to attack recklessly). They were more afraid of us than we were of them.

[Swales4ever]

I suppose it's bizarre in a lot of ways but I really liked the game against the scum. We changed the rules and you could see it spooked them. There wasn't the intensity of the derby, it was more like a chess match in terms of tactics and patient build up play. They didn't come to play, we didn't do anything daft that would throw away the game.

They expected us to crack, we didn't, they didn't have another plan. It was a very mature performance from us, sure I'd have liked us to attack more and next time we probably will, but a key part of the development of the team was that game. We adhered to the gameplan and kept it tight in defence while probing in attack in the face of provocation (they dared us to attack recklessly). They were more afraid of us than we were of them.

Yes but You fail to remember that Mancini lost City the first, long awaited trophy, last year... It was definitely because of him that we didn't go to Wembley! ... :-)
i.e. some People wont change their mind even when banged on the wall.

[the_georgian_genius]

I think it is a perfectly valid thread and it needed to be done. The abuse and ridiculous and pathetic OTT nonsense he got up until a few weeks ago was utterly moronic, i could see what was happening and i was prepared to wait and be paitent, it is a shame that so many couldn't and didn't want to. Just think, if the majority of you had had your way we would not be in the position we are now. I've been called everything under the sun and more, been disrespected for having the cheek to have a different view and opinion from the sensationalist impaitent majority and even been called Mancini's son, idol, arse licker for daring to say how stupid some of you were, but deep down i knew i was always right as i have said i am in the past.

I'll get called everything under the sun for being so arrogant and smug with this post but i don't give a shit, i like to think of it as my reward for all the abuse i get for having common sense and a good footballing brain in the crazy world of modern football and internet message boards and maybe my views and opinions will now be looked at as valid which would be nice as i thought i may have had to encounter you all in the townley to be inducted into the clique ;-)

Here is a treat for you all, a couple of my opinions, one from a few weeks back, one from a few days ago.

Before the Fulham game after one win in 6 games and calls for Mancini to be sacked.

We win tommorrow, we will be top after the newcastle game. Quote me on that!

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=35815&p=231431

After the Newcastle game where Balotelli was ridiculously slagged off.

Job done, awesome.

Im getting worried Balotelli is going to become the laughing stock of the league. He is in the lime light now with his award and high profile start to his career in the EPL.

The press will turn 6 goals in 11 games into not scored for 7 games tomorrow.

he is a cock and a joker on the pitch tho right now. I really hate seeing him in a City shirt as it stands. I'm sick of the fouls and the falling down and the garbage. He needs less talk, and more rock.

cheers

I don't think Balotelli gives a fuck if you or anyone else thinks he is a laughing stock when quite frankly he isn't. He will soon prove all the OTT sensationalist morons wrong.

Thanks.

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=36429&start=225

Enjoy! Happy new year to one and all.

[Ted Hughes]

I think it is a perfectly valid thread and it needed to be done. The abuse and ridiculous and pathetic OTT nonsense he got up until a few weeks ago was utterly moronic, i could see what was happening and i was prepared to wait and be paitent, it is a shame that so many couldn't and didn't want to. Just think, if the majority of you had had your way we would not be in the position we are now. I've been called everything under the sun and more, been disrespected for having the cheek to have a different view and opinion from the sensationalist impaitent majority and even been called Mancini's son, idol, arse licker for daring to say how stupid some of you were, but deep down i knew i was always right as i have said i am in the past.

I'll get called everything under the sun for being so arrogant and smug with this post but i don't give a shit, i like to think of it as my reward for all the abuse i get for having common sense and a good footballing brain in the crazy world of modern football and internet message boards and maybe my views and opinions will now be looked at as valid which would be nice as i thought i may have had to encounter you all in the townley to be inducted into the clique ;-)

Here is a treat for you all, a couple of my opinions, one from a few weeks back, one from a few days ago.

Before the Fulham game after one win in 6 games and calls for Mancini to be sacked.

We win tommorrow, we will be top after the newcastle game. Quote me on that!

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=35815&p=231431

After the Newcastle game where Balotelli was ridiculously slagged off.

Job done, awesome.

Im getting worried Balotelli is going to become the laughing stock of the league. He is in the lime light now with his award and high profile start to his career in the EPL.

The press will turn 6 goals in 11 games into not scored for 7 games tomorrow.

he is a cock and a joker on the pitch tho right now. I really hate seeing him in a City shirt as it stands. I'm sick of the fouls and the falling down and the garbage. He needs less talk, and more rock.

cheers

I don't think Balotelli gives a fuck if you or anyone else thinks he is a laughing stock when quite frankly he isn't. He will soon prove all the OTT sensationalist morons wrong.

Thanks.

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=36429&start=225

Enjoy! Happy new year to one and all.

You don't get abuse for backing Mancini, you get abuse for licking his chocolate starfish.

[the_georgian_genius]

and there proves my point from the chief leader of it all.

Thanks Ted ;-)

[Swales4ever]

I foockin want a chocolate starfish too! I hold full right.

[Ted Hughes]

and there proves my point from the chief leader of it all.

Thanks Ted ;-)

It's a pleasure.

[andyblue]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

[Ted Hughes]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

If we played like that every time I'd have given up caring.

[andyblue]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

If we played like that every time I'd have given up caring.

I actually don't think I could ever give up caring. I got very frustrated during the Pearce years, but before that I lived through 1982-83 and other terrible times; everything is relative.

I should have been clearer about my "weaklings and losers" comments. What our friend is saying in the message I quoted is EXACTLY what the gutter press wants. They liked their cosy little "Big 4" cartel. They all had contacts inside those clubs and they don't appreciate us trying to shark in there. They want us to have the mentality "we would rather lose gloriously than get a point", because losing pushes United 3 points further away from us and maintains the cartel for a little bit longer. Mancini clearly decided that we wanted to avoid losing that game AT ANY COST - and guess what? It's nearly 2011, we are on the same points as United instead of three points behind them. If I had to put the options in order, it would be (1) Beat United; (2) If we don't beat them then get a draw AT ANY COST; (3) And this is a long, long way behind (2), lose to United. There are no circumstances in which I would ever want United to beat City. It could never happen. I think you'll find more City fans like me than like Bridge'srightfoot.

[Kladze]

I think it is a perfectly valid thread and it needed to be done. The abuse and ridiculous and pathetic OTT nonsense he got up until a few weeks ago was utterly moronic, i could see what was happening and i was prepared to wait and be paitent, it is a shame that so many couldn't and didn't want to. Just think, if the majority of you had had your way we would not be in the position we are now. I've been called everything under the sun and more, been disrespected for having the cheek to have a different view and opinion from the sensationalist impaitent majority and even been called Mancini's son, idol, arse licker for daring to say how stupid some of you were, but deep down i knew i was always right as i have said i am in the past.

I'll get called everything under the sun for being so arrogant and smug with this post but i don't give a shit, i like to think of it as my reward for all the abuse i get for having common sense and a good footballing brain in the crazy world of modern football and internet message boards and maybe my views and opinions will now be looked at as valid which would be nice as i thought i may have had to encounter you all in the townley to be inducted into the clique ;-)

Here is a treat for you all, a couple of my opinions, one from a few weeks back, one from a few days ago.

Before the Fulham game after one win in 6 games and calls for Mancini to be sacked.

We win tommorrow, we will be top after the newcastle game. Quote me on that!

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=35815&p=231431

After the Newcastle game where Balotelli was ridiculously slagged off.

Job done, awesome.

Im getting worried Balotelli is going to become the laughing stock of the league. He is in the lime light now with his award and high profile start to his career in the EPL.

The press will turn 6 goals in 11 games into not scored for 7 games tomorrow.

he is a cock and a joker on the pitch tho right now. I really hate seeing him in a City shirt as it stands. I'm sick of the fouls and the falling down and the garbage. He needs less talk, and more rock.

cheers

I don't think Balotelli gives a fuck if you or anyone else thinks he is a laughing stock when quite frankly he isn't. He will soon prove all the OTT sensationalist morons wrong.

Thanks.

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=36429&start=225

Enjoy! Happy new year to one and all.

The abuse you get might just be because you're an arrogant fucker maybe?

[Beefymcfc]

I like the way opinion's can change, but I like even more the way Mancio has changed opinion.

Roll on Blackpool ;-)

[Ted Hughes]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

If we played like that every time I'd have given up caring.

I actually don't think I could ever give up caring. I got very frustrated during the Pearce years, but before that I lived through 1982-83 and other terrible times; everything is relative.

I should have been clearer about my "weaklings and losers" comments. What our friend is saying in the message I quoted is EXACTLY what the gutter press wants. They liked their cosy little "Big 4" cartel. They all had contacts inside those clubs and they don't appreciate us trying to shark in there. They want us to have the mentality "we would rather lose gloriously than get a point", because losing pushes United 3 points further away from us and maintains the cartel for a little bit longer. Mancini clearly decided that we wanted to avoid losing that game AT ANY COST - and guess what? It's nearly 2011, we are on the same points as United instead of three points behind them. If I had to put the options in order, it would be (1) Beat United; (2) If we don't beat them then get a draw AT ANY COST; (3) And this is a long, long way behind (2), lose to United. There are no circumstances in which I would ever want United to beat City. It could never happen. I think you'll find more City fans like me than like Bridge'srightfoot.

I very much doubt he wants Utd to beat City but as far as I'm concerned I was more ashamed of our draw at Eastlands than most of our defeats over the last 20 years or so because in all those other games we had a vastly inferior team. It almost made me feel sick with shame. Most City fans I know personally were disgusted by it. I don't want to support a team that spends hundreds of millions on players & sits itn it's own half at home v Utd. There's no excuse for it & that game is the biggest reason the media call us 'boring' now even when we're playing good football; it's stuck with us. It was also the main reason for the crowd reaction v Brum & possibly the realisation by Bob that he can't play like that with City; we've been miles better since then.

[Kladze]

Saulman: Even if we do beat them at OT, it won't change my feelings about the game. We were scared of them and i was ashamed to see us play so negatively at home. If we are aspiring to win the title we ned to take the game to teams, especially at home and not play so negatively.

Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw. It was the worst derby game I've seen in years and that was down to us.

We could of and should of beat them and there are zero excuses for playign so negatively.


I'm very happy with Mancini recently though but I will always be annoyed with the way he approached that game.

No offence, pal, but you're not helping your case with garbage like this: "Honestly, if we had lost but played with real passion and fight and put everything into winnign the game, I would have been happier than seeing us play anti football and scrape a 0-0 draw."????

You're only a kid and you can't possibly understand what it has been like for the last 30+ years. I don't give a flying fuck whether we play with "passion" of "fight"; those are concepts for weaklings and losers. I would be happy to NEVER see us lose another derby game.

If we played like that every time I'd have given up caring.

I actually don't think I could ever give up caring. I got very frustrated during the Pearce years, but before that I lived through 1982-83 and other terrible times; everything is relative.

I should have been clearer about my "weaklings and losers" comments. What our friend is saying in the message I quoted is EXACTLY what the gutter press wants. They liked their cosy little "Big 4" cartel. They all had contacts inside those clubs and they don't appreciate us trying to shark in there. They want us to have the mentality "we would rather lose gloriously than get a point", because losing pushes United 3 points further away from us and maintains the cartel for a little bit longer. Mancini clearly decided that we wanted to avoid losing that game AT ANY COST - and guess what? It's nearly 2011, we are on the same points as United instead of three points behind them. If I had to put the options in order, it would be (1) Beat United; (2) If we don't beat them then get a draw AT ANY COST; (3) And this is a long, long way behind (2), lose to United. There are no circumstances in which I would ever want United to beat City. It could never happen. I think you'll find more City fans like me than like Bridge'srightfoot.

I very much doubt he wants Utd to beat City but as far as I'm concerned I was more ashamed of our draw at Eastlands than most of our defeats over the last 20 years or so because in all those other games we had a vastly inferior team. It almost made me feel sick with shame. Most City fans I know personally were disgusted by it. I don't want to support a team that spends hundreds of millions on players & sits itn it's own half at home v Utd. There's no excuse for it & that game is the biggest reason the media call us 'boring' now even when we're playing good football; it's stuck with us. [highlight]It was also the main reason for the crowd reaction v Brum & possibly the realisation by Bob that he can't play like that with City; we've been miles better since then.[/highlight]

Allelujah

No wonder you've been made a leg end ;-)