Ballotelli

[kinkylola]

read the first page of this thread, and read the last to respond.

If i were a player looking to come to city, the one thing that would stop me from joining are the multitude of fuckwit fans who are so quick with fairly offensive abuse, a fair amount of which post on these boards.

He's 20 years old for fucks sake and on top of that he obviously has some issues. He's in a new country, in a new league, new team. He gets pissed off because he was subbed off, maybe he's pissed off because he knows he should have played better? I'd prefer that to Jo, who plays like shit sometimes and doesn't seem to mind so much.

Shit, I get pissed off if I get subbed in my sunday league team, because I want to be out there playing and if i'm subbed off there's a good chance that I wasn't playing as well as I should have been ... and I'm fucking pissed about it, I can only imagine how people who have poured their lives into the game would feel. Yea, he should find a better way to react, but again .. HE'S ONLY 20.

Every week you pick someone who should "go on and fuck off," it's such an ugly side of the support here. Jo, Micah, Barry, Tevez! , SWP, Kolarov, both Toure's, Boateng ... it never ends. Last week people were already writing off dzeko, now he'll be a legend. One week yaya is a world beater, the next he should fuck off, no talent. Micah doesn't have the concentration to be a top def, then he rightly gets recognition for his several weeks of consistent good play .... next week he'll have a stinker and he'll be told to fuck off again. It's fucking mental. Half these players have just come into the league, several have dealt with injury problems just as they started to find their feet, so had to do it all over again.

To give an example, Evra and Vidic were both GASH for most of their first year ... United probably should have fucked them off too right?

a whole lot of you need to get some fucking perspective.

btw, I'd give Balo a 6/10 for today's game, had some good touches, wasn't afraid to try things and attack their D, had a great outside of the foot pass that didn't quite come off, but if silva had attempted with the same result you would have wanked over. linked up well with silva/dzeko. Gave away a silly yellow and got a knock to the head. And he was pissed at being subbed (shock horror!)

[Arjan Van Schotte]

i think you make some very good points mate but i disagree with you on quite a bit.

you compare the attitude to balo with that to jo - i would say that jo tries but isn't good enough. not his fault and fair play to him., whereas balo has the talent but a shocking attitude. and if we are to be mercenary about it (as football is) i don't give a flying fuck if his "background" (poor twat - poor little boy, read the article in today's observer about shefi kuqi's "background") is difficult.

i truly can't see that he will ever be anything other than a spoilt little cunt - even when he's 85 and wetting his pants.

the point is, for now, i see his name on the team sheet and think "oh fuck - we've only got ten men".

[john68]

In amidst all the personal insults and name calling targetted at both Mario and each other, there is a far more serious issue at stake here. The future development of Manchester City over the next few seasons and where we are trying to get to.

Our ultimate target is the Global domination of the football World...To be better than any other football team is now or will be then. That takes the ultimate TEAM. Eleven players, all at the top of their trades, all able to de do whatever jobs they are assigned to do...but eleven players who do it all in a manner that ensures that the TEAM becomes the ultimate football machine.

There can be no flaws in a team like that. no questions of lack of ability and no questions regarding attitude. EVERY player ensuring that the TEAM benefits 100% from them being a part of it. We can not afford to have any weaknesses in the TEAM and any flaws have to be ironed out oin the classroom or on the field.

Sadly, Mario does not offer that to us at the moment. In time after a period of being nurtured, he may well offer that but at present, despite his amazing talent, his histrionics and attitude detract from the TEAM.

He has already made it plain that he is only here for a short period. That is NOT good enough for what we need. We are attempting to build the best TEAM in the World and among many other factors necessary to make that happen is stability. Mario not being permanent is a very negative factor for me.

[Slim]

One could argue that Tevez doesn't fill your criteria as well john.

[bigblue]

i think you make some very good points mate but i disagree with you on quite a bit.

you compare the attitude to balo with that to jo - i would say that jo tries but isn't good enough. not his fault and fair play to him., whereas balo has the talent but a shocking attitude. and if we are to be mercenary about it (as football is) i don't give a flying fuck if his "background" (poor twat - poor little boy, read the article in today's observer about shefi kuqi's "background") is difficult.

i truly can't see that he will ever be anything other than a spoilt little cunt - even when he's 85 and wetting his pants.

the point is, for now, i see his name on the team sheet and think "oh fuck - we've only got ten men".

So you would rather have a player with less talent and a more even temperament, than someone with more talent but a more eclectic personality? One has the ability to possibly win the league, the other has the ability consistently to finish mid-table. I'd rather take a gamble at glory than go for safe mediocrity.

[kinkylola]

i think you make some very good points mate but i disagree with you on quite a bit.

you compare the attitude to balo with that to jo - i would say that jo tries but isn't good enough. not his fault and fair play to him., whereas balo has the talent but a shocking attitude. and if we are to be mercenary about it (as football is) i don't give a flying fuck if his "background" (poor twat - poor little boy, read the article in today's observer about shefi kuqi's "background") is difficult.

i truly can't see that he will ever be anything other than a spoilt little cunt - even when he's 85 and wetting his pants.

the point is, for now, i see his name on the team sheet and think "oh fuck - we've only got ten men".

never mentioned a word about his background ... though no one should have to go through what he did, simple as that. Shefi Kuqi had a rough time and has a much better attitude? Well let's sign him up then, he can lead the line along with Jo, they have great attitudes.

In response to John and in agreement with slim: Tevez isn't a team player. He has threatened to RETIRE before, or wants to be sold to spain or argentina. There are times, which become much more obvious when we aren't winning, that tevez could pass to a teammate for a wide open goal ... instead he runs into a dead end or shoots wide or high.

Obviously teamwork is important to any team ... but a true team also needs people who bring different qualities to the table. we have 3 very different forwards at our club in Dzeko, Tevez, and Balo ... we have players in each position who offer different qualities. We've got it good right now.

Let's not ruin it by purposefully destroying our own players confidence just because they have some attitude issues. Fact is they are city players and we should be behind them. There's no call for the type of language and hatred that is used to abuse our on players on this board, simple as that. ON A DAY WE WIN 5-0! fuck.

[john68]

One could argue that Tevez doesn't fill your criteria as well john.

I think that you make a very valid point Slim and I think the uncertainty of his City future is a cause for concern and i don't really have an answer. Should we continue to be so reliant on Tevez, and were he to leave, he would leave a huge gap and damage our development.
I don't really have a problem with Tevez being somewhat selfish, as his primary job is to be the expression and outlet of the team.
In general play, he brings energy and talent to the team.

My hope is that he finds his future with either Dzeko or another partner and finds his home within the city team.

[kinkylola]

I hope that for balotelli as well ... for all current city players in fact.

[Slim]

One could argue that Tevez doesn't fill your criteria as well john.

I think that you make a very valid point Slim and I think the uncertainty of his City future is a cause for concern and i don't really have an answer. Should we continue to be so reliant on Tevez, and were he to leave, he would leave a huge gap and damage our development.
I don't really have a problem with Tevez being somewhat selfish, as his primary job is to be the expression and outlet of the team.
In general play, he brings energy and talent to the team.

My hope is that he finds his future with either Dzeko or another partner and finds his home within the city team.

I agree, I never have a problem with what Tevez does on the pitch. And as he has seemed to settle down recently I am not sure it's still fair, but transfer requests, retirement, language barriers, family issues and general running to the press and moaning(and confusion at parking ticket machines) seemed to be the price we paid(almost on a weekly basis) for his talent.

And we all seem very happy to pay this price while he is delivering on the pitch, but can you imagine if he wasn't? Well you don't have to because we have Balotelli. Why I'd predict we'd have a 5 page thread the day after we battered Notts County about him, ignoring the fact he doesn't look a single iota worse than that other striker we bought, ignoring the fact that he has just returned from injury and ignoring the fact that everyone knows of his reputation and is colouring their view of him based on it.

Angry at being subbed? FFS. If Bellamy had done it we'd call it passion, if Tevez had done it we'd call it desire to play every minute and determination to win the match by himself. I want no player in our team to be happy about being subbed, certainly don't want players developing a limp as their number is called(You know who I'm talking about Yaya). Takes a guy's skull right to the front of the face and still doesn't want to be subbed, angry when it happens? Take him over Jo(who the hell thought that was a comparison?) every day of the week for the next 10 years.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Tevez was slagged off by all and sundry for his outburst at being subbed - and quite rightly so but when it comes to working for the TEAM, goals aside - his commitment is on a scale that no other player comes even close to.

Ballotelli has an attitude problem and people on here defend it??? give me a fucking break.,,,the guys a fucking loon.

John has said it in a nut shell - Ballotelli is not a team player.....not even close to being one imo.

[Slim]

Tevez was slagged off by all and sundry for his outburst at being subbed - and quite rightly so but when it comes to working for the TEAM, goals aside - his commitment is on a scale that no other player comes even close to.

Ballotelli has an attitude problem and people on here defend it??? give me a fucking break.,,,the guys a fucking loon.

John has said it in a nut shell - Ballotelli is not a team player.....not even close to being one imo.

I believe I am advocating patience for a new signing rather than defending him, maybe it didn't across well enough.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Tevez was slagged off by all and sundry for his outburst at being subbed - and quite rightly so but when it comes to working for the TEAM, goals aside - his commitment is on a scale that no other player comes even close to.

Ballotelli has an attitude problem and people on here defend it??? give me a fucking break.,,,the guys a fucking loon.

John has said it in a nut shell - Ballotelli is not a team player.....not even close to being one imo.

I believe I am advocating patience for a new signing rather than defending him, maybe it didn't across well enough.

I tried the patience step mate but temper tantrums off the pitch is one thing but to put the team in the shit with antics that has red carded him before is unforgivable.

The foul he did on that player was deliberate - but it was stupid and Kolorov let his feelings be known in no uncertain terms...its shit like that that gets my goat up as its not the first time is it..are we to blame his age on this??? fucking bollocks mate..this is down to his shit attitude and has no place in the team.

I want to brag about the Ballo - tevez and Dzeko forward line but I find it near on impossible to defend or brag about a player like him.

[kinkylola]

carl, you've become a caricature of yourself, feeding off of your own ridiculousness in a loop that is becoming less and less entertaining.

I liked you more when you said less, in bigger letters.

[john@staustell]

Balotelli must get the prize for being the best player ever to have a hate thread on here. He will come good for us, but maybe not this season.

Any fool (except Andy Townsend) can see that the non-celebration is an 'I'm cool' act - he even broke into laughter secretly on his last hat-trick. To attack a player for that is mindless junior school stuff.

And remind me, hasn't he just been out with a long injury?

Incredible thread.

[Bingo Lewis]

He will get to 50 goals quicker than Carlos did.

Not a chance imo but I only hope he stays with us long enough to get to 50.

There's no way he'll get to 50 goals quicker than Tevez. Its nearly impossible.

Agreed. Don't think he will be around long enough to get anywhere near 50 - if he does, then great but I can't see it.

According to Daniel Taylor in The Guardian, Balotelli had dizzy spells and vomiting after the game and was rushed to hospital, but tests came back OK. That's him on the sidelines again by the looks of it.

If he is around long enough, I think he can do it. A lot of people in this thread are forgetting that he is our 2nd leading scorer this season and has 8 goals in 11 games. He's well on pace to do so.

Well he was on 8 goals in 12 games before yesterday, so is his game count going backwards? he's not far off his debut then eh?

[london blue 2]

Havent read this whole thread but the fact that it has already reached 5 pages tells me there are a lot of Balotelli defenders. Why anyone would want to defend a guy with the blatant attitude problem that this fella has confuses me. He's clearly a wanker on and off the pitch and the sooner he fucks off from our club the better imo.

People hated on Barton, Elano, Robinho and they all put more effort in for the team. Even fucking Andy Cole made more of an effort than him!

[Arjan Van Schotte]

i think you make some very good points mate but i disagree with you on quite a bit.

you compare the attitude to balo with that to jo - i would say that jo tries but isn't good enough. not his fault and fair play to him., whereas balo has the talent but a shocking attitude. and if we are to be mercenary about it (as football is) i don't give a flying fuck if his "background" (poor twat - poor little boy, read the article in today's observer about shefi kuqi's "background") is difficult.

i truly can't see that he will ever be anything other than a spoilt little cunt - even when he's 85 and wetting his pants.

the point is, for now, i see his name on the team sheet and think "oh fuck - we've only got ten men".

So you would rather have a player with less talent and a more even temperament, than someone with more talent but a more eclectic personality? One has the ability to possibly win the league, the other has the ability consistently to finish mid-table. I'd rather take a gamble at glory than go for safe mediocrity.

nope , not at all. that post was in reply to somene asking why there isn't the same venom directed at others.

in response to your question - i'd rather have a top talent who is ALSO mentally stable. there are such players around y'know.

[Ted Hughes]

In his 1st proper hour of football after injury, Balotelli didn't work as hard as Tevez sometimes does but did as much work as 90% of any other attacking players in world football, showed some sublime touches, had one wayward shot, got tackled twice, won the ball back twice when others gave it away, got fouled in the penalty area, was disappointed to have to go off. Lokked very very promising for the future in his bits of link ups with & movement around Dzeko. About 6 out of 10 performance.

The rest is a load of totally unreasonable, tabloid standard, fucking shite.

[johnny crossan]

Balotelli is hard to love at first, but I'm told he's very funny really

[ant london]

In his 1st proper hour of football after injury, Balotelli didn't work as hard as Tevez sometimes does but did as much work as 90% of any other attacking players in world football, showed some sublime touches, had one wayward shot, got tackled twice, won the ball back twice when others gave it away, got fouled in the penalty area, was disappointed to have to go off. Lokked very very promising for the future in his bits of link ups with & movement around Dzeko. About 6 out of 10 performance.

The rest is a load of totally unreasonable, tabloid standard, fucking shite.

What he said

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