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Re: attendances

Postby Sister of fu » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:32 am

Goaters 103 wrote:Our gate on sunday was pathetic, as it was for the Leicester game, and no doubt will likely be for Aris and Villa as well. The daft thing is, the attendance will be far higher to watch Wigan, that it will for either of the aforementioned games.

The club has done all it can, spending gazillions on players and lowering the prices to rock bottom levels but when push comes to shove, our fans dont turn up. No excuses, its a fact in black and white on the attendance sheet.

If we make the semi of either the Europa or FA Cup, no doubt the missing 20k will suddenly develop an interest in these competitions again. I would hope the club would reward those who bothered to turn up for the earlier rounds with a ticket fo any semis, but I doubt it.



My thoughts exactly, the club must look to reward those fans who have bothered to attend the cup games if we make any semi or finals but like you say I can't see it. No doubt we will have the Hamburg scenario again where people miss out on tickets. I for one will be really pissed off if I don't get to a semi or final after attending every single home cup tie for the past three seasons.
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Re: attendances

Postby CitizenYank » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:34 am

I agree with the article in some regards, but I think a lot of the Cup attendance figures will change when we start
changing when we win something. Part of the problem may be the stigma of fan's being disappointed with our recent
showings in non-league play. I am sure that will change when we win some silverware.
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Re: attendances

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:12 am

Not so long ago Newcastle were drawing 15k or something like that in lower leagues. We sold out Maine Road regularily in 2nd division.
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Re: attendances

Postby darwenblue86 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:36 am

I agree that the attendances have been rubbish for these cup games, but circumstances sometimes just don't allow for it. For me, any home game is an 80-odd mile round trip relying on public transport, before you even factor in ticket prices and the costs that go with attending a match. The Sunday fixtures aren't too bad, providing all transport is running normally (not always the case from where I live). The mid-week games are impossible because of working hours and how long it takes to get away from the ground and back into town to catch the last train. I'd love to be able to attend these cup games, but sadly it just isn't do-able for me or my relatives that I would normally go with.
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Re: attendances

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:52 am

Sister of fu wrote:
Goaters 103 wrote:Our gate on sunday was pathetic, as it was for the Leicester game, and no doubt will likely be for Aris and Villa as well. The daft thing is, the attendance will be far higher to watch Wigan, that it will for either of the aforementioned games.

The club has done all it can, spending gazillions on players and lowering the prices to rock bottom levels but when push comes to shove, our fans dont turn up. No excuses, its a fact in black and white on the attendance sheet.

If we make the semi of either the Europa or FA Cup, no doubt the missing 20k will suddenly develop an interest in these competitions again. I would hope the club would reward those who bothered to turn up for the earlier rounds with a ticket fo any semis, but I doubt it.



My thoughts exactly, the club must look to reward those fans who have bothered to attend the cup games if we make any semi or finals but like you say I can't see it. No doubt we will have the Hamburg scenario again where people miss out on tickets. I for one will be really pissed off if I don't get to a semi or final after attending every single home cup tie for the past three seasons.


There should be some kind of scheme where people who attend games in a particular competition, get priority for tickets in later rounds in that season, rather than just having general loyalty points.
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Re: attendances

Postby blues2win » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:57 am

Good point Ted. Why not email the club suggesting it?
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Re: attendances

Postby Tokyo Blue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:02 am

I find it a bit amusing that a Newcastle fan is saying we don't deserve a rich owner.

Firstly, does anyone deserve it? Every fan loves their team., lower league and non-league fans every bit as much as fans of top-flight teams. Everything else is just numbers. If one set of fans does, they all do.

Secondly, fourteen thousand they were getting before Keegan got there in division two v thirty thousand in division three. Did our little geordie friend forget those numbers?

Thirdly, the only club in the city v a club sharing [strike]a city[/strike] a conurbation with plane crash united plc.

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Re: attendances

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:02 am

blues2win wrote:Good point Ted. Why not email the club suggesting it?


I always get a ticket & am too lazy & selfish to be arsed doing it on anyone else's behalf.
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Re: attendances

Postby 9secondlegend » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:36 am

john@staustell wrote:Before the SCUM started winning the league etc, the 1990-91 attendances show they couldn't regularly fill 46,000. That season there were league attendances of 35,000 against Wimbledon and 31,000 against Derby. Our league crowds are pretty good already and we haven't yet achieved anything.

As for cup attendances, I have sat in Maine Road amongst less than 20,000 on several occasions, and I think you'll find our cup attendances are generally better than they have been in the past.

Scum and Arse force STs to buy cup tickets, is that where we want to go?

No need for panic, it will come.

and less than 20k in europe
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Re: attendances

Postby Fesan » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:34 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
There should be some kind of scheme where people who attend games in a particular competition, get priority for tickets in later rounds in that season, rather than just having general loyalty points.


This is how I think it should work:

For instance in the FA cup, if you buy a first match ticket (well, the first match we are in anyways) you get first refusal on the same seat(s) for the second round. If you then buy for the 2nd round you get for the third etc.

If you buy for the first match and do not take up your chanse to buy for the 2nd round the spot is open to others, then they have first refusal for the seat for match 3 (since they were there for match 2).

For the final the people who have been to most games this cup run get first bid on final tickets. Not sure how we can extend this to away games, maybe in the later stages we can do the same as with finals.
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Re: attendances

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Feb 22, 2011 1:30 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:I find it a bit amusing that a Newcastle fan is saying we don't deserve a rich owner.

Firstly, does anyone deserve it? Every fan loves their team., lower league and non-league fans every bit as much as fans of top-flight teams. Everything else is just numbers. If one set of fans does, they all do.

Secondly, fourteen thousand they were getting before Keegan got there in division two v thirty thousand in division three. Did our little geordie friend forget those numbers?

Thirdly, the only club in the city v a club sharing [strike]a city[/strike] a conurbation with plane crash united plc.

Judge for yourselves.


Spot on as always mate.

I've found all the talk about us "not deserving the owners" bit tiresome for a while now. Like you said, who does or doesn't deserve owners like ours? We won in owner lottery, yeah. If it had been Nottingham Forest or York City or indeed Newcastle United and not us, I would've said fair enough. I would've been envious, naturally, but I we all have supporters who deserve it and probably supporters that don't.

Besides, when Mike Ashley was still "in", they were banging on how they got "proper English owner who bleeds black and white". None of them seemed to notice that he was nothing like Newcastle United supporter when Ashley was sipping Real Ale with them. Now that they've found out that Ashley is a clown who don't give shit about football or Newcastle United they are all bitter about us. Ridiculous.
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Re: attendances

Postby WestGorton » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Nothing wrong with our attendances for any competition. Newcastle got 10,000 for a league game prior to KK taking over.... utd got 18000 against Wimbledon in the late eighties... they only got a 40,000 crowd for the 1990 derby match and about a third of the ground was City including the stretford paddock.

Every club is affected. It's a recession, 5 home games in 2 weeks after christmas with no pay day and ordinary local people going to the match and very few out of towners. We have won nothing for years and been in the third division with 30000 crowds.

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Re: attendances

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:51 pm

th eproblem with the article is that it assumes some god-given right to be successful according to how many people turn out - which is similar to saying that the team who spends the most should win.

simply put - football was far more exciting when neither had as much bearing on the result as good coaching and an eye for a good cheap player. pre premier league it was much more of a meritocracy - and that's why practically everyone thinks the "blackpool story" is fantastic.
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Re: attendances

Postby Blue in the face » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:07 pm

9secondlegend wrote:
john@staustell wrote:Before the SCUM started winning the league etc, the 1990-91 attendances show they couldn't regularly fill 46,000. That season there were league attendances of 35,000 against Wimbledon and 31,000 against Derby. Our league crowds are pretty good already and we haven't yet achieved anything.

As for cup attendances, I have sat in Maine Road amongst less than 20,000 on several occasions, and I think you'll find our cup attendances are generally better than they have been in the past.

Scum and Arse force STs to buy cup tickets, is that where we want to go?

No need for panic, it will come.

and less than 20k in europe
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Re: attendances

Postby M147WN » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:14 pm

Fesan wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
There should be some kind of scheme where people who attend games in a particular competition, get priority for tickets in later rounds in that season, rather than just having general loyalty points.


This is how I think it should work:

For instance in the FA cup, if you buy a first match ticket (well, the first match we are in anyways) you get first refusal on the same seat(s) for the second round. If you then buy for the 2nd round you get for the third etc.

If you buy for the first match and do not take up your chanse to buy for the 2nd round the spot is open to others, then they have first refusal for the seat for match 3 (since they were there for match 2).

For the final the people who have been to most games this cup run get first bid on final tickets. Not sure how we can extend this to away games, maybe in the later stages we can do the same as with finals.


So if I understand you correctly the loyalty points system goes out of the window and a supporter who's supported the club through thick and thin for the last 10 years (when we were shit) but for whatever reason doesn't attend a home FAC tie till the latter stages would run the risk of not getting an FAC final ticket over someone with little or no proof of previously following the club but who has bought cut price home FAC tickets (compared to PL match prices) and also been given the chance to be awarded 5 times the loyalty points (currently) a Blue gets for following the club away from home?

That's swinging too far the other way mate!

On the whole the loyalty points system is the best way of rewarding...well..loyalty to the club which is recorded!
The current 50 points doubled up is a great chance for younger supporters (or those who attend intermittantly) to spend the minimum to gain maximum points and build up their totals.

There are thousands of Blues who have spent years (many before the loyalty points scheme was ever thought of) travelling around to shitholes as well as attending at home that your scheme would deny an FAC final ticket to because they had missed one or more earlier rounds.

Not sure either how it would work with the SS relocating into unbought ST holders seats in others areas of the stadium or how this could all be tracked. I agree the attendances at home in both the Europa and FAC have been piss poor but bar giving the tickets away I'm not sure the club can do a lot more.
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Re: attendances

Postby 9secondlegend » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:29 pm

Blue in the face wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:
john@staustell wrote:Before the SCUM started winning the league etc, the 1990-91 attendances show they couldn't regularly fill 46,000. That season there were league attendances of 35,000 against Wimbledon and 31,000 against Derby. Our league crowds are pretty good already and we haven't yet achieved anything.

As for cup attendances, I have sat in Maine Road amongst less than 20,000 on several occasions, and I think you'll find our cup attendances are generally better than they have been in the past.

Scum and Arse force STs to buy cup tickets, is that where we want to go?

No need for panic, it will come.

and less than 20k in europe
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/16-09-1992-torpedo-moscow.html


Theres a shitload of information on that site. Do we have one?

http://www.mcfcstats.com/

that is quite good
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Re: attendances

Postby Flixton Blue » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:31 pm

Why is everyone panicking,we are one of the best supported clubs in the country-just wait untilo we start winning things
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Re: attendances

Postby pepsi_dave » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:03 pm

9secondlegend wrote:
Moonchesteri wrote:Aren't their ST holders forced to buy tickets for cup games as well unlike us? brings quite a few more faces to the stadium. just sayin.

but true, some of our crowds are truly embarrasing

not sure about the cup scheme things but we do have similar although we can opt out and rightly so.
when will the club realise they need to drop to £10 to guarantee a sell out? i cant afford the £22.50 against villa so another 1 less.


Worht pointing out that the club are governed by the rules of the FA Cup. The document stipulate what the minimum price per ticket is for each round of the cup.

See the link below, point (c) on page 14.

[urlnp=http://www.thefa.com/TheFACup/FACompetitions/TheFACup/~/media/Files/PDF/The%20FA%20Cup%20And%20Comps/CompetitionDocs%202010-11/01%20FAC%20rules%202010-2011%20_blue_031110.ashx/01%20FAC%20rules%202010-2011%20_blue_031110.pdf]FA Cup 2010-2011 Rules[/urlnp]
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Re: attendances

Postby King Kev » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:28 pm

Liverpool V Sparta is a sell out.

This is pretty impressive on it's own but considering it's a 6pm kick-off my hat comes off to the Liverpool fans.

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Re: attendances

Postby Nickyboy » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:37 pm

Does anyone know how being in the cup direct scheme works should we get to game at a neutral venue?

Therefore the Europa final or semis onwards in FA Cup?
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