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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:19 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
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ant london wrote:v funny and v true outpouring Polish Bob



Disappointed in you agreeing with that tripe Ant. Noticeably he didn't answer the question because he couldnt and tried to deflect it by trivialising what's happening and comparing it with nonsense about another manager. Actually Harry might be doing a better deflecting job in that at least his the talk is about him and not the team. With us the talk is about the team an our tiredness which is not where it should be.

I don't for 1 second think that the player's ONLY go by what Mancini says to the press but it has a part to play. But I would ask, do you think he says one thing publically and another to the players? What he says in public has in truth been picked up by players from things they have also said in interviews and I do think it is reflected in what I see on the training ground.


There was no question to answer. That the players keep the same party line as Mancini is no surprise. What is fed to the media is bland baby food these days. "We play a lot of games and we have some injuries and this impacts on performance sometimes". Really? Fuck me.

This does not change the fact we have little to no idea what discussions take place between the players and Mancini. All we are doing is projecting our own anxieties and concerns in the absence of any hard facts other than what is said to the media.

With respect to the training ground what do you see that gives you concern with specific reference to the tiredness issue?


From what has been said many times I think we do know what kind if discussions go on between Mancini & the players; none whatsoever. He talks football with them, then if they want to discuss anything with him, they go to see him, so, as usual, your version of events & the actual reality have nothing much in common & the absolute opposite is probably true, what they hear Mancini say in the media is most likely the most they ever hear anything on the subject.

Judging by the diversity of opinion on here, some of the players will agree with you & some of the players will agree with me & some will agree with what Mancini says, hence some of the players think he's making excuses to protect his own arse or he's been forced into that position by Cook etc, some think there's no problem & some think the team is getting tired. How thae fucking hell in a million fucking years can that be helping us in any way shape or form?

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Manchester City defender Micah Richards believes the club's buying spree must continue if they're to compete for trophies.

Richards admits the current squad is struggling with their heavy schedule.

After victory over Wigan Athletic, Richards said: "It's hard to play so many games in a short space of time.

"It's why you need a big squad. We are in all competitions and today the boys were a bit leggy."

Excuses for failure loaded & ready to go, just in case.


You know I read this several times and am still none the wiser.

On one hand "we do know what kind of discussions Mancini has with players: none" and on the other they discuss football with him and if they want to discuss anything else they go and see him. Presumably they just sit in his office and play 'Guess What I Am Thinking' or maybe its a ongoing game of charades. Which would be fun. I suspect Yaya would be a real hoot tugging his ear and miming 'Gone Wth The Wind' by way of explaining to Roberto he's all puffed out.

On a more serious note I would have thought discussions about football would encompass performance levels and how they are feeling physically and mentally but I am still not sure whether we think Mancini has discussions with the players or not. I doubt if he makes small talk if that helps.

The quote from Micah is just stating the current party line and usual bollocks you get from teams/players 'playing a lot of games...boys a bit leggy...need a big squad' yada, yada - heard it a million times. I understand you believe its Mancini's masterplan to explain why it all went wrong whereas I just see it as restating the bleeding obvious in an attempt to dampen expectations - something Mancini has done pretty much all season in varying ways. Like 'we are aiming for top 4 and not the title' bit for which he was panned for not being ambitious enough. How much this reflects what he thinks privately or what he discusses with the players I do not know but I know enough not to take public pronouncements that seriously.

By 'players' I assume you mean 'posters'...or not. Whatever.


No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby BobKowalski » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:28 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:30 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.


To win something you have to act like a winner - that's obvious to all and sundry.....wait a minute.....
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:31 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.



BK I think you have been digging the hole for a while on this one but somehow with this comment you have buried yourself in it.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:39 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.



BK I think you have been digging the hole for a while on this one but somehow with this comment you have buried yourself in it.


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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby BobKowalski » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:03 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.


To win something you have to act like a winner - that's obvious to all and sundry.....wait a minute.....


I think Garry Cook tried the Ted Hughes approach in a NY bar last Feb. He's been quiet as lamb ever since :)

If you think shouting your mouth off and acting like a cock is 'acting like a winner' then go for it. I would prefer City to stay classy, stay focused and concentrate on putting the trophies in the cabinet. Its a matter of personal taste I guess.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby King Kev » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:07 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Chinners wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when even Andy Gray gets held up as a beacon of knowledge


I should imagine most other ex title winning pro footballers would say the same.

Bob's had far more success than Gray ever did, I'm on his side.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:13 pm

Have we come to the point where you win a discussion just by claiming you did?

In that case: I won.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:33 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.


To win something you have to act like a winner - that's obvious to all and sundry.....wait a minute.....


I think Garry Cook tried the Ted Hughes approach in a NY bar last Feb. He's been quiet as lamb ever since :)

If you think shouting your mouth off and acting like a cock is 'acting like a winner' then go for it. I would prefer City to stay classy, stay focused and concentrate on putting the trophies in the cabinet. Its a matter of personal taste I guess.


Sorry - Is Garry Cook our manager???

Who wants managers shooting their mouths off?....who has said that apart from fucking noone.

If whining that the players are tired and we have too many games is going about it in class way then fuck me silly.....Ill be fucked if I know what not having class is all about.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:57 pm

King Kev wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Chinners wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when even Andy Gray gets held up as a beacon of knowledge


I should imagine most other ex title winning pro footballers would say the same.

Bob's had far more success than Gray ever did, I'm on his side.



Can you enlighten me then as to why you agree with the manager telling everbody we're tired & exactly how it helps us?
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:12 pm

BobKowalski wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.


To win something you have to act like a winner - that's obvious to all and sundry.....wait a minute.....


I think Garry Cook tried the Ted Hughes approach in a NY bar last Feb. He's been quiet as lamb ever since :)

If you think shouting your mouth off and acting like a cock is 'acting like a winner' then go for it. I would prefer City to stay classy, stay focused and concentrate on putting the trophies in the cabinet. Its a matter of personal taste I guess.


I'm not advocating telling everyone we're going to win everything, I'm advocating telling everyone we're ready, loving it, raring to go & up for everything that comes our way as opposed to your suggestion of 'dampening it down' telling everyone we're tired & acting like a bunch of fucking losers.

These people have been going on & on about changing the mentality of the club & when we reach the main do or die part of the season, the official club line is 'we're a bit tired?' THAT's the winning mentality Bob's been going on & on about is it?

What's the old one like then? Just so's I'll know what the fuck he's going on about the next time he mentions it & I can watch out to see exactly how he demonstrates it & how it differs from the previous losing mentality we have to get rid of.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:42 pm

Bob V at Agincourt:


This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
But, tbf a bit tired they be and trained not.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby BobKowalski » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:20 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
BobKowalski wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
No I mean players as in, if we all have different opinions on here about Mancini's tiredness mantra & some of us think he's acting like a loser, some of the players will also probably have differinfg opinions & some will think he's acting like a loser. How that helps is...well it fucking doesn't, I can't be arsed humouring even the fucking possibility that it does. It's utter bollocks.

Also..

Why the fucking hell do we want to DAMPEN EXPECTATIONS!!!??? FUCKING HELL!! WE'VE GOT A POSSIBLE CUP SEMI FINAL, A POSSIBLE UEFA SEMI FINAL & A BATTLE TO BE IN THE CHAMPION'S LEAGUE!! PLAY IT DOWN!!?? WHY?? SHOUT IT FROM THE FUCKING ROOFTOPS & GO BALLS OUT FOR THE LOT. WHEN DO WE ACTUALLY START ACTING LIKE WINNERS, NEXT SEASON, THE ONE AFTER?

JESUS.


Shush. You'll wake everyone up. As to when will we act like winners? When we win something. Thats when.


To win something you have to act like a winner - that's obvious to all and sundry.....wait a minute.....


I think Garry Cook tried the Ted Hughes approach in a NY bar last Feb. He's been quiet as lamb ever since :)

If you think shouting your mouth off and acting like a cock is 'acting like a winner' then go for it. I would prefer City to stay classy, stay focused and concentrate on putting the trophies in the cabinet. Its a matter of personal taste I guess.


I'm not advocating telling everyone we're going to win everything, I'm advocating telling everyone we're ready, loving it, raring to go & up for everything that comes our way as opposed to your suggestion of 'dampening it down' telling everyone we're tired & acting like a bunch of fucking losers.

These people have been going on & on about changing the mentality of the club & when we reach the main do or die part of the season, the official club line is 'we're a bit tired?' THAT's the winning mentality Bob's been going on & on about is it?

What's the old one like then? Just so's I'll know what the fuck he's going on about the next time he mentions it & I can watch out to see exactly how he demonstrates it & how it differs from the previous losing mentality we have to get rid of.


I'll keep it simple. Mancini jumping up and down saying everyone is raring to go in his PC's is not changing the mentality of the club. It may make you feel better - hell it may make every fan 'feel' better but it does nothing to eradicate the 'loser' mentality that is hardwired into the club's DNA. Mancini clearly believes the only way to change the mentality is get players with the right mentality, the right skills and "work hard always 100%".

And for what it is worth I believe he is right. For a club that has won nothing and a few years back couldn't score a goal at home for six bleeding months the only thing that will change this club is employing people with the right ethos. This is why we have Milner and not Ireland. It is why Micah has thrived because, despite everyone writing the lad off, Mancini did see he had the right attitude and the talent if coached properly. It is why Ade is at Madrid. Everyone else, either retained or purchased, has both the talent and the mentality that Mancini and the club is looking for.

And thats it really. Nothing fancy. Just hard work and sticking at it.

Mancini is a cold comfort sort of guy. You want uplifting and by extension you think the players want uplifting and if we put in a bad performance that is where you put the blame. Mancini not motivating them enough. Mancini teaches them to be better footballers (Micah said this on Saturday) he does not motivate them as such. Mancini expects/demands the motivation to come from them because that is the sort of player he likes and buys. You want an arm round your shoulder and and a cuddle? Want to be told you are the best ever? Try another club mate because it ain't happening under Mancini. Ade wanted warmth. Ireland needed reassurance. No chance sunshine. The only exception seems to be Mario but he is exception and not the rule

Fans are uneasy with Mancini because he is an 'uneasy' sort of guy. He does 'uncomfortable' very well and no player will ever love the guy. But he does teach them how to play better and that works if you have the right sort of players in your squad which by and large we have.

I think you want something from Mancini that is simply not there. I'm not fussed because I happen to believe his overall approach is correct.

You want death or glory.

I just want glory.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:02 am

hahaha this is great but I see BK has now completely changed what he was a arguiing about.I think I will go to bed and see tomorrow if Ted gets an answer to the simple question which is effectively what we started with.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby the_georgian_genius » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:43 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Chinners wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when even Andy Gray gets held up as a beacon of knowledge


I should imagine most other ex title winning pro footballers would say the same.


But current title winning pro footballers such as Patrick Vieira, Kolo Toure and Carlos Tevez would tell you different. Two different era's of the game physically from when Andy Gray was playing and the current lads.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby john68 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:15 am

Bob,
I usually quite enjoy reading your posts. Often I disagree with you but usually find them amusing. You are an excellent wordsmith and often win your arguments by sleight of word...and nothing up your sleeve. While mere mortals as Doug and Ted are thumping the words upfield in the hope they find the net, you David Silva them by your twisting and turning humour, flicking the words through your legs and speeding off into the next thread.
But, if for a moment you will stop and put your foot on your dictionary to stop it rolling away, You may find time to enlighten us as to how you reach the conclusion that "the loser mentality is hardwired into our club"...?

Which particular department is hard wired to lose?...Is our Esteemed Sheik? I suspeect not..nor our other estemmed Sheik...Nah! Could it be the administration of Cookie or Marwood? Both seem to steeped in success. What about Mancini or his coaching staff? Certainly not Mancini, he's been successful wherever he's been and I can't think that he would deliberately employ losers to eradicate failure...that would be silly. That only leaves the players...but who? Most of our players are quite new and have only been clocking on in blue since we started our climb upwards. Maybe Hart or Micah?...No I don't think so either.

The only part of City that is hardwired for failure is contained within a large group of fans...and God knows I've done my best to change that mentality. No Bob, there are no failures at City...plenty of winners...no hardwiing for failure...just a football club on the way up, reaching out and getting ever nearer to success.

...and that was only after reading your 1st paragraph.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby King Kev » Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:15 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
King Kev wrote:
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Chinners wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when even Andy Gray gets held up as a beacon of knowledge


I should imagine most other ex title winning pro footballers would say the same.

Bob's had far more success than Gray ever did, I'm on his side.



Can you enlighten me then as to why you agree with the manager telling everbody we're tired & exactly how it helps us?
Wrong thread mate, this one is about Mancini's first 50 league games in charge. It was suppsed to be a positive thread.

I think you are looking for THIS whinge-fest.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:13 am

King Kev wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
King Kev wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Chinners wrote:It's a sad state of affairs when even Andy Gray gets held up as a beacon of knowledge


I should imagine most other ex title winning pro footballers would say the same.

Bob's had far more success than Gray ever did, I'm on his side.



Can you enlighten me then as to why you agree with the manager telling everbody we're tired & exactly how it helps us?
Wrong thread mate, this one is about Mancini's first 50 league games in charge. It was suppsed to be a positive thread.

I think you are looking for THIS whinge-fest.


Sorry you should have mentioned it was purely an arse kissing exercise & we're not supposed to discuss whether we think he has any faults or not.
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:44 am

BobKowalski wrote:I'll keep it simple. Mancini jumping up and down saying everyone is raring to go in his PC's is not changing the mentality of the club. It may make you feel better - hell it may make every fan 'feel' better but it does nothing to eradicate the 'loser' mentality that is hardwired into the club's DNA. Mancini clearly believes the only way to change the mentality is get players with the right mentality, the right skills and "work hard always 100%".

And for what it is worth I believe he is right. For a club that has won nothing and a few years back couldn't score a goal at home for six bleeding months the only thing that will change this club is employing people with the right ethos. This is why we have Milner and not Ireland. It is why Micah has thrived because, despite everyone writing the lad off, Mancini did see he had the right attitude and the talent if coached properly. It is why Ade is at Madrid. Everyone else, either retained or purchased, has both the talent and the mentality that Mancini and the club is looking for.

And thats it really. Nothing fancy. Just hard work and sticking at it.

Mancini is a cold comfort sort of guy. You want uplifting and by extension you think the players want uplifting and if we put in a bad performance that is where you put the blame. Mancini not motivating them enough. Mancini teaches them to be better footballers (Micah said this on Saturday) he does not motivate them as such. Mancini expects/demands the motivation to come from them because that is the sort of player he likes and buys. You want an arm round your shoulder and and a cuddle? Want to be told you are the best ever? Try another club mate because it ain't happening under Mancini. Ade wanted warmth. Ireland needed reassurance. No chance sunshine. The only exception seems to be Mario but he is exception and not the rule

Fans are uneasy with Mancini because he is an 'uneasy' sort of guy. He does 'uncomfortable' very well and no player will ever love the guy. But he does teach them how to play better and that works if you have the right sort of players in your squad which by and large we have.

I think you want something from Mancini that is simply not there. I'm not fussed because I happen to believe his overall approach is correct.

You want death or glory.

I just want glory.


What an absolute load of cobblers from start to finish. You know wexcatly what I'm talking about but you're pretending I'm saying something else so you can put this pile of bilge together.

You think we want players who DON'T work hard? You think Mancini is the only person who wanted Micah to have a game? Yet he signed Boateng & played him there ? You think the main criticism of Mancini has been motivation? Not tactics or team selection, such as putting Boateng & Boyata together v Arsenal. (Not done it much since has he?) I've criticised Mancini when I think he's wrong & praised him when I think he's right.

I think he's helping nobody with this 'tired' shit. You can't find any way it helps so you change the subject with every post to pretend we're talking about something else. I'm advocating giving a positive image of our club to our opponents & our staff.

How do you get 'wanting an arm round the shoulder & a cuddle' from 'telling everyone we're ready, loving it, raring to go & up for everything that comes our way ' which is what I posted. What the fuck is wrong with those statements? Why aren't we ready? Why aren't we loving it? Why aren't we up for everything that comes our way? Why is it better for us to be tired?


'Mancini is a cold comfort sort of guy'. FFS. Pass the herbal tea while I run that idea up the flagpole & see if it salutes..
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Re: Mancini - 50 Not Out

Postby King Kev » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:13 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Sorry you should have mentioned it was purely an arse kissing exercise & we're not supposed to discuss whether we think he has any faults or not.

I was just pointing out that there is already a thread in place for people who want to discuss the tiredness issue.

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