Is NDJ the most complete DM in the world?

[Rag_hater]

I think people who dont rate it and say its not a skill have obviously never played against great tacklers, every good team has at least one

I agree with you it is a skill but I think it's one of the mosy basic skills that happen in a game.
Its a skill that little kids learn.
It's a skill everyone who has played the game can do.
Fuckin hell even I could do it and I'm well shit.I would not be suprised if you and most of the members of the forum can still do it.
I am not very impressed by how good someone's timing is in what I see as a relativley simple action that if goes slightly wrong may result in injury.

[mr_nool]

I think people who dont rate it and say its not a skill have obviously never played against great tacklers, every good team has at least one

I agree with you it is a skill but I think it's one of the mosy basic skills that happen in a game.
Its a skill that little kids learn.
It's a skill everyone who has played the game can do.
Fuckin hell even I could do it and I'm well shit.I would not be suprised if you and most of the members of the forum can still do it.
I am not very impressed by how good someone's timing is in what I see as a relativley simple action that if goes slightly wrong may result in injury.

I bet you wouldn't write that if you were a Tottenham supporter...

[Douglas Higginbottom]

It's a skill that many havent mastered and Scholes is top of that list.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

A 'complete' midfielder is someone who contributes in every area of the pitch. defending, creating, and scoring.
So no, Nige isn't the most complete, but he is fucking good at doing what he does best, and that is keeping that defence protected.

This.

Nigel is a profile player. Even we shouldn't be fielding him in every game. He is ace when we need to break the opposition play but he offers little going forward and does nothing with the ball when he wins it. Complete midfielder would be able to win ball and do something with it.

[bluej]

A 'complete' midfielder is someone who contributes in every area of the pitch. defending, creating, and scoring.
So no, Nige isn't the most complete, but he is fucking good at doing what he does best, and that is keeping that defence protected.

This.

Nigel is a profile player. Even we shouldn't be fielding him in every game. He is ace when we need to break the opposition play but he offers little going forward and does nothing with the ball when he wins it. Complete midfielder would be able to win ball and do something with it.

I think he is getting better at it though (see the 3rd goal on Sunday), as others have insinuated, the problem arises when he is played alongside Barry, who is normally occupying a space very close to him and therefore the passing options are reduced. I think he is perfectly capable of playing in a 2 man central midfield.

[Wonderwall]

It's a skill that many havent mastered and Scholes is top of that list.

Spot on doug! This enforces my point snd RH's reply has proved it beyond reasonable doubt

[david yearsley]

Love Nige but to be described as the thread title would surely (and I hazzard a guess) involve scoring a goal or two right?

[Rag_hater]

It's a skill that many havent mastered and Scholes is top of that list.

Spot on doug! This enforces my point snd RH's reply has proved it beyond reasonable doubt

Glad it has been proved that what our Nige does is not that exceptional.
I suppose the comparison with the ginger cunt is valid.Seems the twat has not concentrated that much on his tackling in a side that has won a few titles with him.I suppose whilst he was scoring the few goals he did and made a few assists he knew he should have been trying to emulate our Nige instead and got his sliding in right .
Obviously the fact he has not been able to do sliding tackles have held back the Rag fuckers.
Only if they had our Nige the fuckers might win something.
And quite a few have highlighted the snunderland pass like it was an assist are there any others cos I cannot think of any.

[bluej]

It's a skill that many havent mastered and Scholes is top of that list.

Spot on doug! This enforces my point snd RH's reply has proved it beyond reasonable doubt

Glad it has been proved that what our Nige does is not that exceptional.
I suppose the comparison with the ginger cunt is valid.Seems the twat has not concentrated that much on his tackling in a side that has won a few titles with him.I suppose whilst he was scoring the few goals he did and made a few assists he knew he should have been trying to emulate our Nige instead and got his sliding in right .
Obviously the fact he has not been able to do sliding tackles have held back the Rag fuckers.
Only if they had our Nige the fuckers might win something.
And quite a few have highlighted the snunderland pass like it was an assist are there any others cos I cannot think of any.

I'm sure we were all glad when Nige was out of the Wolves away game and the defence went to absolute shit. I can't see why people are bashing him for not scoring enough, he does the job he is in the team to do exceptionally well.

[Chinners]

The bottom line is that whilst De Jong is an excellent player for us and his country, he will never be the best midfielder in the world whilst Joseph Barton is playing ...

[Dameerto]

It's a skill that many havent mastered and Scholes is top of that list.

Spot on doug! This enforces my point snd RH's reply has proved it beyond reasonable doubt

Glad it has been proved that what our Nige does is not that exceptional.
I suppose the comparison with the ginger cunt is valid.Seems the twat has not concentrated that much on his tackling in a side that has won a few titles with him.I suppose whilst he was scoring the few goals he did and made a few assists he knew he should have been trying to emulate our Nige instead and got his sliding in right .
Obviously the fact he has not been able to do sliding tackles have held back the Rag fuckers.
Only if they had our Nige the fuckers might win something.
And quite a few have highlighted the snunderland pass like it was an assist are there any others cos I cannot think of any.

Go back to reading your stats, I'll stick to reading games.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

A 'complete' midfielder is someone who contributes in every area of the pitch. defending, creating, and scoring.
So no, Nige isn't the most complete, but he is fucking good at doing what he does best, and that is keeping that defence protected.

This.

Nigel is a profile player. Even we shouldn't be fielding him in every game. He is ace when we need to break the opposition play but he offers little going forward and does nothing with the ball when he wins it. Complete midfielder would be able to win ball and do something with it.

I think he is getting better at it though (see the 3rd goal on Sunday), as others have insinuated, the problem arises when he is played alongside Barry, who is normally occupying a space very close to him and therefore the passing options are reduced. I think he is perfectly capable of playing in a 2 man central midfield.

I never said he isn't capable of playing in two man midfield. In fact, ultra attacking central midfielder paired with Nigel would get thumbs up from me.

However, point of this topic was that he is the most COMPLETE defensive midfielder in the world and he simply isn't that. Like for example, ten years ago I would've chosen Gattuso for my team if I could choose from any defensive midfielders in the world but Dider Dechamps and Patrick Vieira were much more complete players. Complete =/= good.

[bluej]

A 'complete' midfielder is someone who contributes in every area of the pitch. defending, creating, and scoring.
So no, Nige isn't the most complete, but he is fucking good at doing what he does best, and that is keeping that defence protected.

This.

Nigel is a profile player. Even we shouldn't be fielding him in every game. He is ace when we need to break the opposition play but he offers little going forward and does nothing with the ball when he wins it. Complete midfielder would be able to win ball and do something with it.

I think he is getting better at it though (see the 3rd goal on Sunday), as others have insinuated, the problem arises when he is played alongside Barry, who is normally occupying a space very close to him and therefore the passing options are reduced. I think he is perfectly capable of playing in a 2 man central midfield.

I never said he isn't capable of playing in two man midfield. In fact, ultra attacking central midfielder paired with Nigel would get thumbs up from me.

However, point of this topic was that he is the most COMPLETE defensive midfielder in the world and he simply isn't that. Like for example, ten years ago I would've chosen Gattuso for my team if I could choose from any defensive midfielders in the world but Dider Dechamps and Patrick Vieira were much more complete players. Complete =/= good.

Yeah I wasn't actually disagreeing with you having looked back at it, I think I just picked your quote from a list of possible ones!

[TheGOAT]

He's absolutely up there IMO but there are better at present, the most obvious being Essien.

In time though he very well might be.

He is the best for me.
Essien was awful last night... never seemed to want the ball. Where as Nige will always make him self available.

[TheGOAT]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

lol

[Rag_hater]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

lol

I'd have to say that has convinced me.
Like the OP said he is the most complete DM in the world.Best there ever has been,best there ever will be.
I was obviously wrong and mad to even for a minute think otherwise.
If my foolishness makes people lol I must be so of the mark I can only ask people to forgive me for my idocy.
How I could think our Nige was anything but best is laughable but hey ho people make mistakes.

[Dronny]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

lol

I'd have to say that has convinced me.
Like the OP said he is the most complete DM in the world.Best there ever has been,best there ever will be.
I was obviously wrong and mad to even for a minute think otherwise.
If my foolishness makes people lol I must be so of the mark I can only ask people to forgive me for my idocy.
How I could think our Nige was anything but best is laughable but hey ho people make mistakes.

Well done RH, manning up when you know you've dropped one is never easy.

[bigblue]

For me it goes like this:
Essien,
Xabi Alonso,
Alex Song,
Busquets,
Mascherano,
Yaya,
Khedira,
Barry,
Nigel
So for me in Yaya and Barry we have two players that can do his job better and on the whole for me there are quite a few better.

The fact that you put Song and Khedira up there is beyond laughable.

Also this:

I agree with you it is a skill but I think it's one of the mosy basic skills that happen in a game.
Its a skill that little kids learn.
It's a skill everyone who has played the game can do.
Fuckin hell even I could do it and I'm well shit.I would not be suprised if you and most of the members of the forum can still do it.
I am not very impressed by how good someone's timing is in what I see as a relativley simple action that if goes slightly wrong may result in injury.

Is down right idiotic. Do you actually watch football games or just read the stats after? At the professional level, how many people can tackle like De Jong? At the international level how many can? I could count maybe 5, and most of them are defenders. Sure it's a basic skill but so is running, passing, and shooting. Yet the basic skills can be the hardest to master.

If you think that you can actually tackle like De Jong my post has been wasted because it is pointless to argue with someone that far removed from reality.

[Wonderwall]

I think people who dont rate it and say its not a skill have obviously never played against great tacklers, every good team has at least one

I agree with you it is a skill but I think it's one of the mosy basic skills that happen in a game - Paul Scholes!
Its a skill that little kids learn - Paul Scholes!
It's a skill everyone who has played the game can do - Paul Scholes!
Fuckin hell even I could do it and I'm well shit.I would not be suprised if you and most of the members of the forum can still do it.
I am not very impressed by how good someone's timing is in what I see as a relativley simple action that if goes slightly wrong may result in injury.

It is not something that everyone can do, its actually something that few can do very well.
Nige does this very well and I would like to bet there is not 1 prem league or la liga manager that would turn their noses up at him. You RH just cannot see the actual job he does

[Tokyo Blue]

It is not something that everyone can do, its actually something that few can do very well.
Nige does this very well and I would like to bet there is not 1 prem league or la liga manager that would turn their noses up at him. You RH just cannot see the actual job he does

Doing a job well and being the best in the world in a position are two very different propositions.

I don't think he is the best at what he does, but he is good. On the other hand what he does is, in my opinion, limited.