Jo Card

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Ok. I'm getting sick and fucking tired of hearing that wank bags name in every fucking argument about strikers like Bellamy or Adebayor or whoever. When did that shitstick even last get a game for us? He had few seconds against Everton. Other than that I can't remember him playing in league for us during 2011. If my memory serves me, and I'm sure someone will correct me, he started two league games this season.

Granted, he is wet shit of a football player but it's not like Mancini has been going with him time and time again. He gave him couple of chances. Fair enough, he showed how bad he is, something which we all knew but it's not like he has been starting week in week out.

It's like some sort of fucking Hitler card of mancityfans.net. You play it and it's game over.

[Dameerto]

i really enjoyed watching him in preseason by the way.

[paddyblue]

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/playe ... r_id=44750

he played some part in 23 games this season scoring 3 goals

PLAYER LEAGUE FA CUP LEAGUE CUP OTHER
APPS / GLS APPS / GLS APPS / GLS APPS / GLS
Jo (F) 3 (9) 0 2 (3) 0 1 (0) 1 3 (2) 2

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=44750

he played some part in 23 games this season scoring 3 goals

PLAYER LEAGUE FA CUP LEAGUE CUP OTHER
APPS / GLS APPS / GLS APPS / GLS APPS / GLS
Jo (F) 3 (9) 0 2 (3) 0 1 (0) 1 3 (2) 2

Two minutes in the end of the game means fuck all. How many did he start? Ie. how much trust did Mancini put in him.

On a sidenote, soccerbase has gone awfull after they altered the lay out. Slow as fook. Shame, used to my favourite stat site.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Why keep him though? Bellamy really wanted to play for us yet we keep Jo. He's a waste of a sqaud player and space.

[Tokyo Blue]

To play devil's advocate, Bridgey lad, he's ten years younger and his knees aren't fucked. I am told he works hard in training and doesn't antagonise the manager, who is after all something of a short-arse with all the personality defects that entails. See also Craig Bellamy under "short-arse".

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Why keep him though? Bellamy really wanted to play for us yet we keep Jo. He's a waste of a sqaud player and space.

What gives you an idea that Bellamy would've settled for place on the bench and two minutes here, fifteen seconds there? Same goes for Adebayor. These are the main arguments used. That Jo was some sort of replacement for them.

Besides, Bellamy was quite poor in latter half of 09/10. He was done at this level. He has been alright in Championship according to reports. Nothing out of this world but alright. We are in FA Cup final and 4th in Premier League. Bit different don't you think?

Just to make myself clear though, I fucking loathe Jo. I want to see back of him ASAP. I just don't like the argument especially as it's mostly used against Mancini. Man who got us in the Champion's League and to FA Cup final. Maybe he, and not some experts in mancityfans.net, made the right decisions after all?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

To play devil's advocate, Bridgey lad, he's ten years younger and his knees aren't fucked. I am told he works hard in training and doesn't antagonise the manager, who is after all something of a short-arse with all the personality defects that entails. See also Craig Bellamy under "short-arse".

Bellamy is ten times the player.

Balotelli is far worse than Bellamy ever was. Bellamy really wanted to play for us. Brilliant player.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Why keep him though? Bellamy really wanted to play for us yet we keep Jo. He's a waste of a sqaud player and space.

What gives you an idea that Bellamy would've settled for place on the bench and two minutes here, fifteen seconds there? Same goes for Adebayor. These are the main arguments used. That Jo was some sort of replacement for them.

Besides, Bellamy was quite poor in latter half of 09/10. He was done at this level. He has been alright in Championship according to reports. Nothing out of this world but alright. We are in FA Cup final and 4th in Premier League. Bit different don't you think?

Just to make myself clear though, I fucking loathe Jo. I want to see back of him ASAP. I just don't like the argument especially as it's mostly used against Mancini. Man who got us in the Champion's League and to FA Cup final. Maybe he, and not some experts in mancityfans.net, made the right decisions after all?

I honestly believe had we kept Bellamy we'd have done better this season. His pace alone scares defenders, not to mention his brilliant technical ability and the fact he's two footed. A fantastic work ethic. Several games this season we have lacked someone with real pace.

[kennyboy]

I honestly believe had we kept Bellamy we'd have done better this season. His pace alone scares defenders, not to mention his brilliant technical ability and the fact he's two footed. A fantastic work ethic. Several games this season we have lacked someone with real pace.

Second this, hope there is a chance we can se Bellers at our club again.

[ant london]

ah so it's about Mancini then is it....not Jo....fucking bellend

Mancini has got the job done in terms of the league, the cup will be a bonus to me but one I hope we claim.

Has he set the world alight...no. Could we have had a proper pop at winning the league this season....yes. Have some of his decisions and his "management" been fucking bonkers and probably cost us points....absolutely.

I, like many others, am very happy where we are. It's been more of a bumpy ride than it needed to be though and that's been (in large measure) down to Mancini's poor calls and suspect style in parts.

More than happy to put all of this down to him needing to put his own stamp on the club, do things his way etc and in no way whatsoever do I want (or in honesty have I ever wanted) him replaced. More than happy to see him given another season at the very least.

However, has he got it all right this season, has he fuck. And were you "right all along about things"....haha you are having a fucking laugh.


Lahm

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

ah so it's about Mancini then is it....not Jo....fucking bellend

Mancini has got the job done in terms of the league, the cup will be a bonus to me but one I hope we claim.

Has he set the world alight...no. Could we have had a proper pop at winning the league this season....yes. Have some of his decisions and his "management" been fucking bonkers and probably cost us points....absolutely.

I, like many others, am very happy where we are. It's been more of a bumpy ride than it needed to be though and that's been (in large measure) down to Mancini's poor calls and suspect style in parts.

More than happy to put all of this down to him needing to put his own stamp on the club, do things his way etc and in no way whatsoever do I want (or in honesty have I ever wanted) him replaced. More than happy to see him given another season at the very least.

However, has he got it all right this season, has he fuck. And were you "right all along about things"....haha you are having a fucking laugh.


Lahm

Of course it's about Mancini you tool. All the arguments where Jo are used as an example are to critisise Mancini. Who gives a shit about Jo.... everyone knows he is shite.

And he has got so much spot on that he took us where they expected us to go and more. Time to eat the fucking humble pie and admit that Mancini is a fantastic manager who has taken this Club to next level.

"More than happy to give him another season". How mighty of you.

[Cityfan]

I like Mancini but I sometimes worry about his ability at handling different characters, he does seem to have got shot of several talented but occasionally awkward characters that don't all look as if they are cut from the same cloth. Bellamy Adebayor Robinho and now it looks like Tevez are all out for various reasons.

Don't think it is unfair to compare Bellamy with Jo they can both play up front and wide left the difference is one was pretty effective and one has been rubbish, Bellamy was told there was not enough room in the squad yet there is room for Jo.

This season we have virtually the same number of points as last with a far stronger central/attacking midfield now Silva and Yaya are here, why is this? Well things don't alwasy come together and we have certainly had more European distractions but too me at tiems we have lacked what Bellamy gave us up front a bit of pace aggression and no small measure of ability not to mention some premiership experience.

We don't know how happy he would have been with more limited outings but in all his interviews that I heard he seemed well aware of the fact that more star players would come in and his role would decrease, he never complained of this.

Now I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and Mancini knows far more about football than I could ever hope too or anyone else who is a fan but I don't think debating the decision from a fans point of view is unreasonable and the decision looks an odd one to me.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

I like Mancini but I sometimes worry about his ability at handling different characters, he does seem to have got shot of several talented but occasionally awkward characters that don't all look as if they are cut from the same cloth. Bellamy Adebayor Robinho and now it looks like Tevez are all out for various reasons.

Don't think it is unfair to compare Bellamy with Jo they can both play up front and wide left the difference is one was pretty effective and one has been rubbish, Bellamy was told there was not enough room in the squad yet there is room for Jo.

This season we have virtually the same number of points as last with a far stronger central/attacking midfield now Silva and Yaya are here, why is this? Well things don't alwasy come together and we have certainly had more European distractions but too me at tiems we have lacked what Bellamy gave us up front a bit of pace aggression and no small measure of ability not to mention some premiership experience.

We don't know how happy he would have been with more limited outings but in all his interviews that I heard he seemed well aware of the fact that more star players would come in and his role would decrease, he never complained of this.

Now I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and Mancini knows far more about football than I could ever hope too or anyone else who is a fan but I don't think debating the decision from a fans point of view is unreasonable and the decision looks an odd one to me.

very good post mate - agree.

i not bellamy has limped off in the play off semi unfortunately...

also - NQDP - if you agree jo is so gash, why the fuck has he played at all???? not like we had no cash to get a half decent young striker is it? jo should never have been on the pitch that season - and you can't deny that's down to mancini.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I like Mancini but I sometimes worry about his ability at handling different characters, he does seem to have got shot of several talented but occasionally awkward characters that don't all look as if they are cut from the same cloth. Bellamy Adebayor Robinho and now it looks like Tevez are all out for various reasons.

Don't think it is unfair to compare Bellamy with Jo they can both play up front and wide left the difference is one was pretty effective and one has been rubbish, Bellamy was told there was not enough room in the squad yet there is room for Jo.

This season we have virtually the same number of points as last with a far stronger central/attacking midfield now Silva and Yaya are here, why is this? Well things don't alwasy come together and we have certainly had more European distractions but too me at tiems we have lacked what Bellamy gave us up front a bit of pace aggression and no small measure of ability not to mention some premiership experience.

We don't know how happy he would have been with more limited outings but in all his interviews that I heard he seemed well aware of the fact that more star players would come in and his role would decrease, he never complained of this.

Now I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and Mancini knows far more about football than I could ever hope too or anyone else who is a fan but I don't think debating the decision from a fans point of view is unreasonable and the decision looks an odd one to me.

very good post mate - agree.

i not bellamy has limped off in the play off semi unfortunately...

also - NQDP - if you agree jo is so gash, why the fuck has he played at all???? not like we had no cash to get a half decent young striker is it? jo should never have been on the pitch that season - and you can't deny that's down to mancini.

Apart from those couple of games he has made no difference to our season either way.

Point is though that you can't look at it like "if Bellamy would've been here yada yada". There were reasons why him and Adebayor were shipped off. It's a team game. It's not fantasy football some make it out to be. These players spend lot of time together and mental side of it all is ever so important. If certain players are lowering the morale of the team for example, you have got to get rid even if this player is better than someone else in your team.

I would've liked to see some youngster given a chance instead of Jo. Guidetti is the only one with that sort of ability we have got and he is victim of circumstances mostly. He spent all summer playing in Sweden and therefore needed a break when the season started. Then he was loaned to Burnley to gain some experience. When he was ready to play for us we got Dzeko and after that Jo hasn't basically played at all anyway.

Mancini's mistake was to give Jo chance at all. I'll give you that. He must've been fooled by couple of preseason games. Then again even some people here were saying maybe he deserves another look. I might've been among them actually. After Blackburn game I realised that he is simply bag of slimy wank. Then again, Mancini seems to have noticed it as well around that time.

[giokingkladze]

Bellamy went off injured in Championship play-off semi after 17 mins tonight.

Just FYI

[BlueinBosnia]

What gives you an idea that Bellamy would've settled for place on the bench and two minutes here, fifteen seconds there? Same goes for Adebayor. These are the main arguments used. That Jo was some sort of replacement for them.

Had we had Bellamy or Ade at our disposal, would they have been used in the 'last resort' role that Jo has been, though, or brought on earlier as they actually had something to offer?

I think Bellamy may have been happy on the bench if there were players in better form or more talented ahead of him, considering his age and our position.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

Apart from those couple of games he has made no difference to our season either way.

but surely that is the point - if he's made no difference all season, he shouldn't be here. this isn't a bellamy -v- jo thing for me - we could have bought an andy carroll for instance, and i'm sure he WOULD have made a difference. or any number of good young european strikers.

as your on your "i was right" thing tonight, allow me to say i was right about samaras, corradi, bianchi and ireland (eventually!) :) :)

anyway mate - the point is jo should never have been near our team this season, and mancini COULD have brought in a decent striker to replace him. and i guess the real point is that it WOULD have made a difference to our season.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

What gives you an idea that Bellamy would've settled for place on the bench and two minutes here, fifteen seconds there? Same goes for Adebayor. These are the main arguments used. That Jo was some sort of replacement for them.

Had we had Bellamy or Ade at our disposal, would they have been used in the 'last resort' role that Jo has been, though, or brought on earlier as they actually had something to offer?

I think Bellamy may have been happy on the bench if there were players in better form or more talented ahead of him, considering his age and our position.

Then again, who would they have replaced? Someone that actually ended up scoring or otherwise making difference in the game. We could go on guessing forever. In the end we managed to meet our targets (and more) as a team. That much we know.

I don't buy it that Bellamy would've just settled sitting on his arse. Good or bad, that's the way he is. Always wants to be on the thick of it. But that's just my personal opinion and pure guesswork.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Apart from those couple of games he has made no difference to our season either way.

but surely that is the point - if he's made no difference all season, he shouldn't be here. this isn't a bellamy -v- jo thing for me - we could have bought an andy carroll for instance, and i'm sure he WOULD have made a difference. or any number of good young european strikers.

as your on your "i was right" thing tonight, allow me to say i was right about samaras, corradi, bianchi and ireland (eventually!) :) :)

anyway mate - the point is jo should never have been near our team this season, and mancini COULD have brought in a decent striker to replace him. and i guess the real point is that it WOULD have made a difference to our season.

Out of all the people on this planet you are the last one I thought would end up biting on my "I was right" wind up! I'm just amusing myself waiting for tomorrow.

But in all seriousness, Carroll was available in january and Jo hasn't even played (much at all) since. Point is, Mancini eventually saw the light. Whether going for Dzeko over Carroll was right choice, only time will tell. I believe it was but as you rightly pointed out I have been wrong in the past (I never ever bought Corradi though... I knew he was pap). Jo shouldn't even enter such discussions though. He was given one last chance and will be off in summer.