Craig's Says Mancio Doesn't Have The Gift

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Made me fucking laugh when I read that he said he "struggled to eat" when Hughes left and that it was like losing someone from your family.... for fuck's sake.

I know classic stuff. Teenage girl angst at its best.

I'm kind of hoping that was tonque in cheek. I mean, if Hughes sacking was "like losing a member of family" then did he commit murder when he fucked off to Liverpool from Blackburn?

[Wonderwall]

Shit.

Did you just compare our FA Cup winning manager who got us tied for second spot in league to Alan Ball?

Oh, and no one was EVER going to give us back our 10 million and take over his ridiculous 90k/w wages.

Yes. Not in managerial ability but in dick waving stubborness, that's right out of the Alan Ball handbook, in fact it's classic 70's English manager 'ee lad I know what's best for you' type behaviour.

I think on the whole Bob has done a fantastic job but in some things he's absolutlely fucking beyond useless & this kind of situation is one of them.

Assuming that everything Bellamy said is true...

Also 'longer training sessions with less intensity'? Is that when Mancini was trying to drum into everyone about keeping team shape and team responsibilities and other tactical briefings? Yeah I think you should turn up for those Craig as it sort of paid off in the end and even with a dodgy knee you can still listen and learn.

And people wonder why he was farmed out...

See, this is what I hate about all this. If Bellamy is lying then fair enough but why do people like you have to be blatantly dishonest in the way you discuss the point? You are deliberately ignoring that Bellamy claims he was made to train when his knee was giving him problems. Not listen or discuss tactics, TRAIN. It's all there. If you're going to discuss the points raised, have the fucking decency to do it honestly rather than operating like a fucking spin doctor.

I am with Ted on this, it was Mancini's first week, I know he had to come in and stamp his authority but to the detrement of one of his better players? That was just plain stupid in anyones book, I dont care who you are.

[Kladze]

Shit.

Did you just compare our FA Cup winning manager who got us tied for second spot in league to Alan Ball?

Oh, and no one was EVER going to give us back our 10 million and take over his ridiculous 90k/w wages.

Yes. Not in managerial ability but in dick waving stubborness, that's right out of the Alan Ball handbook, in fact it's classic 70's English manager 'ee lad I know what's best for you' type behaviour.

I think on the whole Bob has done a fantastic job but in some things he's absolutlely fucking beyond useless & this kind of situation is one of them.

Assuming that everything Bellamy said is true...

Also 'longer training sessions with less intensity'? Is that when Mancini was trying to drum into everyone about keeping team shape and team responsibilities and other tactical briefings? Yeah I think you should turn up for those Craig as it sort of paid off in the end and even with a dodgy knee you can still listen and learn.

And people wonder why he was farmed out...

See, this is what I hate about all this. If Bellamy is lying then fair enough but why do people like you have to be blatantly dishonest in the way you discuss the point? You are deliberately ignoring that Bellamy claims he was made to train when his knee was giving him problems. Not listen or discuss tactics, TRAIN. It's all there. If you're going to discuss the points raised, have the fucking decency to do it honestly rather than operating like a fucking spin doctor.

I am with Ted on this, it was Mancini's first week, I know he had to come in and stamp his authority but to the detrement of one of his better players? That was just plain stupid in anyones book, I dont care who you are.

Or maybe Mancini is just a good (and quick) judge of who is going to cause him problems?

Bellamy, Adebayor, Tevez .........

Two shipped out, one wants to leave - and all three of them royal pains in the arse.


EDIT:

I forgot to mention Robinho ....

[Wonderwall]

I am with Ted on this, it was Mancini's first week, I know he had to come in and stamp his authority but to the detrement of one of his better players? That was just plain stupid in anyones book, I dont care who you are.

Or maybe Mancini is just a good (and quick) judge of who is going to cause him problems?

Bellamy, Adebayor, Tevez .........

Two shipped out, one wants to leave - and all three of them royal pains in the arse.


EDIT:

I forgot to mention Robinho ....

Mancini needs to be able to handle these types of characters, not just ship them out.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I like to hibernate a little from football in cricket season but the break just doesnt last long enough.Good in a way to start looking at threads to see the same stuff still going on.

Good to see JC picking up snippets from the gutter press and throwing them out there to wind everyone up.Classic stuff. Good to see the usual suspects picking on the bits that fit their persuasions and ignoring the other bits that might might well be true but seemingly don't matter.There are always two sides and seemingly always some apparent contradictions along the way when you analyse what players say or are supposed to have said.

I don't personally have a problem with Mancini leaving out/moving on Bellamy.I might disagree with it and feel that it reflects on his lack of man management ability but that's just my opinion.I think it is quite funny when people jump down his throat when he makes the comments he has about training and ignore the fact that he was always one of the best trainers in the club at all times.Yes of course he missed a few (actually not that many) but so have plenty of others but his effort in training and playing should never ever be questionned.

[avoidconfusion]

By the way... let me get this straight. Bellamy does not want to drop his wage demands from 80k and would rather let his contract with City run out and then potentially earn nothing from then on because noone wants to sign him anymore by that time, rather than drop his wage demands now and get another contract for a few years, which would let him earn money for the next few years rather than just one?

Full of shit.

[BobKowalski]

I am with Ted on this, it was Mancini's first week, I know he had to come in and stamp his authority but to the detrement of one of his better players? That was just plain stupid in anyones book, I dont care who you are.

Or maybe Mancini is just a good (and quick) judge of who is going to cause him problems?

Bellamy, Adebayor, Tevez .........

Two shipped out, one wants to leave - and all three of them royal pains in the arse.


EDIT:

I forgot to mention Robinho ....

Mancini needs to be able to handle these types of characters, not just ship them out.

Mancini does handle them...by shipping them out. All managers ship out players they don't fancy or who upset the team dynamic or whatever the reason. Some of the reasons may be spurious or seem spurious from the outside and sometimes the manager may get it wrong ala ferguson and Stam.

I don't buy the shit Bellamy is selling. I don't buy the fact he pined like a moody schoolgirl when Hughes was axed and I don't buy the fact that Mancini crippled him in his first week, made him train on one leg and that Mancini never talked to him from then on.

Other people think Bellamy is telling the truth and support his position. I think Bellamy is a lying sack of shit and all this is designed to create as much trouble as possible to get his valuation reduced for a quick move and/or his wages subsidised in return for not making trouble. Its a matter of opinion and people will believe what they want or not as the case may be.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

It's always been someone else's fault with Craig hasn't it?

Look at his track record, no matter where he's gone he's caused trouble and split fans opinion.

[Patrick]

I'm truly gobsmacked that city fans are siding with a player who has a history of being bundled out of clubs for shit stirring over the one manager we have had in 3 decades who has actually over performed and finally got rid of the typical city tag

You honestly don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to management

[Ted Hughes]

It's always been someone else's fault with Craig hasn't it?

Look at his track record, no matter where he's gone he's caused trouble and split fans opinion.

He's never been a lapdog that's true but he hasn't really split supporters it's just that the ones with the biggest mouths have tended to be the ones who get heard. Most fans everywhere he's been thought he was the dogs bollocks & wanted to keep him, including most City fans.

[Kladze]

It's always been someone else's fault with Craig hasn't it?

Look at his track record, no matter where he's gone he's caused trouble and split fans opinion.

He's never been a lapdog that's true but he hasn't really split supporters it's just that the ones with the biggest mouths have tended to be the ones who get heard. Most fans everywhere he's been thought he was the dogs bollocks & wanted to keep him, including most City fans.

Most fans pass their judgements from what they see happening on the pitch and only what they see happening on the pitch Ted.
They pay little attention to the fact that a player might be a shit stirring little gobshite in the dressing room and on the training ground.

And let's be totally honest here. Bellamy surpassed most of our expectations on the pitch for much of the time but he also had periods when he was totally ineffective.

[FA cup winners 2006]

not been impressed with alot of what mancini does but his worst attribute has got to be his man management skills. he does not have a clue. heseems to command very little respect from his players. I would not be surprised if what bellemy says is true

[Crossie]

Bellamy, Robinho and Adebayor are known dick heads, so is Balotelli, so is Tevez.

Mancini is trying to man manage later 2, maybe he isn't a great man manager. But he certainly hasn't set back the careers of Hart, Richards, Zabba, Kompany, Dejong, amongst others

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

not been impressed with alot of what mancini does but his worst attribute has got to be his man management skills. he does not have a clue. heseems to command very little respect from his players. I would not be surprised if what bellemy says is true

That has to be one of the most retarded posts I've EVER seen here. Certainly among top 5. You "haven't been impressed" by FA cup win and 3rd place finish?

[aaron bond]

not been impressed with alot of what mancini does but his worst attribute has got to be his man management skills. he does not have a clue. heseems to command very little respect from his players. I would not be surprised if what bellemy says is true

That has to be one of the most retarded posts I've EVER seen here. Certainly among top 5. You "haven't been impressed" by FA cup win and 3rd place finish?

NQDP - that is exactly what I would have written if you hadn't beaten me to it!

People on here are questioning Mancini's man management skills based on the opinions of 2 players (Ade and Bellamy) who have a history of causing trouble at each of their previous clubs.

The team spirit at the club is second to none - that was increasingly evident over the course of last season, and suggests to me that Mancini is doing a bloody good job. Not to mention the 3rd place finish and our FA Cup win.

Why on earth should we pander to people like Ade and Bellamy? Mancini never bought them and if he wants them out he can get rid.

[bigblue]

No chance [of reducing wages], that is impossible. I have my own academy [in Sierra Leone] where I have to take care of 13 children, day in, day out. My wages are more important to them than they are for me.

So, it costs 80,000/week to take care of 13 kids in Sierra Leone?!?! Can't cut your wages because of charity?! I'm all for helping out your fellow human being, but...

FUCK OFF

[Ted Hughes]

It's always been someone else's fault with Craig hasn't it?

Look at his track record, no matter where he's gone he's caused trouble and split fans opinion.

He's never been a lapdog that's true but he hasn't really split supporters it's just that the ones with the biggest mouths have tended to be the ones who get heard. Most fans everywhere he's been thought he was the dogs bollocks & wanted to keep him, including most City fans.

Most fans pass their judgements from what they see happening on the pitch and only what they see happening on the pitch Ted.
They pay little attention to the fact that a player might be a shit stirring little gobshite in the dressing room and on the training ground.

And let's be totally honest here. Bellamy surpassed most of our expectations on the pitch for much of the time but he also had periods when he was totally ineffective.

True but most of our other players have had similar periods. Bellamy was one of our best players. He has a strong personality but he doesn't set out to cause trouble, he asks 'why' if he thinks something is wrong, that's all. He had an argument with Mancini where imo Mancini was wrong. He then came back & did as Mancini said & fucked himself up doing it. His sharpness & fitness dropped & it clearly didn't work. It would have done no harm whatsoever to allow him to continue his training methods; a great man manager would have let him do it even if he thought it was wrong because it was working & if the player believes it in his head & it's working, then let him get on with it.

Bob has done well coaching some players like Micah & brought success on the pitch but so far he's lacking in man management skills & it almost cost us last season.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

He's so full of shit.

We need to get this big mouthed piece of shit out of the club asap. He's poison.

[FA cup winners 2006]

not been impressed with alot of what mancini does but his worst attribute has got to be his man management skills. he does not have a clue. heseems to command very little respect from his players. I would not be surprised if what bellemy says is true

That has to be one of the most retarded posts I've EVER seen here. Certainly among top 5. You "haven't been impressed" by FA cup win and 3rd place finish?

a good finish to the season has masked over alot of cracks. mancini achieved his minimum objective last season. maybe people should go back to the liverpool game and see where was the team spirt.

united, chelsea and arsenal had their worst points totals in a long while and 2 of them will definitely improve next season.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

not been impressed with alot of what mancini does but his worst attribute has got to be his man management skills. he does not have a clue. heseems to command very little respect from his players. I would not be surprised if what bellemy says is true

That has to be one of the most retarded posts I've EVER seen here. Certainly among top 5. You "haven't been impressed" by FA cup win and 3rd place finish?

a good finish to the season has masked over alot of cracks. mancini achieved his minimum objective last season. maybe people should go back to the liverpool game and see where was the team spirt.

united, chelsea and arsenal had their worst points totals in a long while and 2 of them will definitely improve next season.

Piss off mate?!! Are you kidding me? How long have you supported City? Since 2009? We finish 3rd, joint on points with 2nd, and win the FA Cup and you're not impressed?!! FFS?!