Ade hitting out...

[Ted Hughes]

Take Wayne Bridge fior example. I'm certin he was told he was being brought in to play 1st team footbakll for a team on the up and when he came we were hardly a team attracting the worlds best.

Granted he hasnt been a world beater, but should we now be leaving him with the kids in a spiteful attempt to force him to take a pay cut and fuck off? We all like to moan about player loyalty when they try and leave (Tevez for example), but when we decide we don't want them anymore expect them to just fuck off and sacrifice a shed load of money they were promised?

Where is our side of the loyalty? Or even just decent human courtesy?

This is my point exactly.

All of these players were asked to come to our club, rightly or wrongly. All of them wanted to play in our first team. That has become very unlikely, so fair enough, they go. Our next move rather than just treating them with courtesy, which would cost us nothing, has been to treat them like lepers. It would do City no harm, to have buttered these blokes up & made them feel as if we're regretful about selling them rather than generally ignoring them & imo, treating them like shit. It would mean they were more cooperative to the process too imo.

In the case of Ade & Bellamy, it has created bad blood in public, I suspect that in the case of Bridge & others, including Ned, it has created bad blood in private. These are the people who will help the press stick the knife in, give them gossip from former team mates etc, in the future & generally try to spread shit about us. It may be unavoidable in some cases but we could at least try to keep people sweet.

If people think creating enemies is good for the club, they are totally fucking thick as pig shit.

[Dameerto]

Take Wayne Bridge fior example. I'm certin he was told he was being brought in to play 1st team footbakll for a team on the up and when he came we were hardly a team attracting the worlds best.

Granted he hasnt been a world beater, but should we now be leaving him with the kids in a spiteful attempt to force him to take a pay cut and fuck off? We all like to moan about player loyalty when they try and leave (Tevez for example), but when we decide we don't want them anymore expect them to just fuck off and sacrifice a shed load of money they were promised?

Where is our side of the loyalty? Or even just decent human courtesy?

Emotive and subjective. 'The club' isnt the same now as it was when he signed. He was given a full season on loan to prove himself in new surroundings and spark some interest in him, for whatever reason he failed to do so. We're not a charity, and as much as people don't like to admit it we are very much a business. As far as I'm aware we are honouring the contract he signed, and he is equally (if not largey) responsible for the position he finds himself in.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Take Wayne Bridge fior example. I'm certin he was told he was being brought in to play 1st team footbakll for a team on the up and when he came we were hardly a team attracting the worlds best.

Granted he hasnt been a world beater, but should we now be leaving him with the kids in a spiteful attempt to force him to take a pay cut and fuck off? We all like to moan about player loyalty when they try and leave (Tevez for example), but when we decide we don't want them anymore expect them to just fuck off and sacrifice a shed load of money they were promised?

Where is our side of the loyalty? Or even just decent human courtesy?

This is my point exactly.

All of these players were asked to come to our club, rightly or wrongly. All of them wanted to play in our first team. That has become very unlikely, so fair enough, they go. Our next move rather than just treating them with courtesy, which would cost us nothing, has been to treat them like lepers. It would do City no harm, to have buttered these blokes up & made them feel as if we're regretful about selling them rather than generally ignoring them & imo, treating them like shit. It would mean they were more cooperative to the process too imo.

In the case of Ade & Bellamy, it has created bad blood in public, I suspect that in the case of Bridge & others, including Ned, it has created bad blood in private. These are the people who will help the press stick the knife in, give them gossip from former team mates etc, in the future & generally try to spread shit about us. It may be unavoidable in some cases but we could at least try to keep people sweet.

If people think creating enemies is good for the club, they are totally fucking thick as pig shit.

Look, these players like Bellamy and Bridge are in twilight of their careers and on MASSIVE contracts no one will take over. There's a good chance these people just think "fuck it, I'm going to sit out my contract and earn bit of retirement money". That is EXACTLY what I would do if I were in their shoes. They are also in situation where the club they'd be going to wouldn't be able to offer them trophies so there's little to gain moving anywhere as far as career goes.

Adebayor obviously doesn't fit this group but most of the players we are trying to ship off do. Take Roque Santa Cruz for example. 30m year old crock with one season of decent production in whole his career on 100k/w or whatever wages for two more years. Why the HELL would he move?

So these people need gentle, and if that doesn't work not so gentle, push out of the door. In best case scenario they get pissed off about their pride getting hurt and want to move somewhere else even if they have to take a pay cut.

[Ted Hughes]

Take Wayne Bridge fior example. I'm certin he was told he was being brought in to play 1st team footbakll for a team on the up and when he came we were hardly a team attracting the worlds best.

Granted he hasnt been a world beater, but should we now be leaving him with the kids in a spiteful attempt to force him to take a pay cut and fuck off? We all like to moan about player loyalty when they try and leave (Tevez for example), but when we decide we don't want them anymore expect them to just fuck off and sacrifice a shed load of money they were promised?

Where is our side of the loyalty? Or even just decent human courtesy?

This is my point exactly.

All of these players were asked to come to our club, rightly or wrongly. All of them wanted to play in our first team. That has become very unlikely, so fair enough, they go. Our next move rather than just treating them with courtesy, which would cost us nothing, has been to treat them like lepers. It would do City no harm, to have buttered these blokes up & made them feel as if we're regretful about selling them rather than generally ignoring them & imo, treating them like shit. It would mean they were more cooperative to the process too imo.

In the case of Ade & Bellamy, it has created bad blood in public, I suspect that in the case of Bridge & others, including Ned, it has created bad blood in private. These are the people who will help the press stick the knife in, give them gossip from former team mates etc, in the future & generally try to spread shit about us. It may be unavoidable in some cases but we could at least try to keep people sweet.

If people think creating enemies is good for the club, they are totally fucking thick as pig shit.

Look, these players like Bellamy and Bridge are in twilight of their careers and on MASSIVE contracts no one will take over. There's a good chance these people just think "fuck it, I'm going to sit out my contract and earn bit of retirement money". That is EXACTLY what I would do if I were in their shoes. They are also in situation where the club they'd be going to wouldn't be able to offer them trophies so there's little to gain moving anywhere as far as career goes.

Adebayor obviously doesn't fit this group but most of the players we are trying to ship off do. Take Roque Santa Cruz for example. 30m year old crock with one season of decent production in whole his career on 100k/w or whatever wages for two more years. Why the HELL would he move?

So these people need gentle, and if that doesn't work not so gentle, push out of the door. In best case scenario they get pissed off about their pride getting hurt and want to move somewhere else even if they have to take a pay cut.

We didn't give them chance to do anything though, we started treating them like lepers almost immediately & almost went out of our way to piss them off. There was & is absolutely no need for it. If we'd treated them better they MAY be more cooperative. The fact it COULD have helped us, is enough reason to do it. It costs us nothing. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere in football to suggest that treating players like cattle is a good thing. We even managed to piss Ned off FFS! He's a bigger blue than half of the people on here.

It needs to stop. In future we need to start doing this kind of thing with more class or it will put players off signing for us, they talk to each other.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.

Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?

"this treatment" happens at every club when a new manager comes in. Some players get frozen out because the new manager doesn't see them as part of his plans for whatever reason. Santa Cruz and Bridge and others obviously accept this as part of the game hence they are not bitching and moaning to the press at every given opportunity.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.

Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?

"this treatment" happens at every club when a new manager comes in. Some players get frozen out because the new manager doesn't see them as part of his plans for whatever reason. Santa Cruz and Bridge and others obviously accept this as part of the game hence they are not bitching and moaning to the press at every given opportunity.

I'm confused.

Ade and Bellers going to the press proves they deserve to be mistreated.

Bridge, RSC and Ned not going to the press proves we're not mistreating them?

I love City, but are we now saying we can do no wrong ever?

[Slim]

Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.

Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?

"this treatment" happens at every club when a new manager comes in. Some players get frozen out because the new manager doesn't see them as part of his plans for whatever reason. Santa Cruz and Bridge and others obviously accept this as part of the game hence they are not bitching and moaning to the press at every given opportunity.

I'm confused.

Ade and Bellers going to the press proves they deserve to be mistreated.

Bridge, RSC and Ned not going to the press proves we're not mistreating them?

I love City, but are we now saying we can do no wrong ever?

He has a point, or at the very least they know the score when it comes to being a professional footballer and accept the shitty situation without moaning in public about it.

Could be what was said earlier as well, they don't have any good prospects and are quite happy to sit quietly and see out their inflated contracts.

[Dubciteh]

Looks like you can lump Shay Given in with the rejected lot as hes not on the list of players on the tour, heres the squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, Stuart Taylor, Eirik Johansen, and Loris Karius.

Defenders: Micah Richards, Jerome Boateng, Vincent Kompany, Joleon Lescott, Dedryck Boyata, Gael Clichy, Aleksander Kolarov, Ryan McGivern.

Midfield: Shaun Wright Phillips, Vladimir Weiss, James Milner, Gareth Barry, Yaya Toure, Nigel De Jong, David Silva, Adam Johnson, Denis Suarez.

Strikers: Mario Balotelli, Edin Dzeko, Andrea Mancini, John Guidetti.

Pretty weak forward line really isnt it? Who we missing? Tevez whos more than likely going to leave, just shows unless we get one maybe 2 strikers in we wont win the league....

[twosips]

Mancini is not even a striker too...he's a naff attacking midfielder. His dad would do a better job.

Eye-opening to see how desperately short we look up front if Ade, Jo, Bellamy, Caicedo and Tevez all go. We need two definitely.

[BobKowalski]

Looks like you can lump Shay Given in with the rejected lot as hes not on the list of players on the tour, heres the squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart, Stuart Taylor, Eirik Johansen, and Loris Karius.

Defenders: Micah Richards, Jerome Boateng, Vincent Kompany, Joleon Lescott, Dedryck Boyata, Gael Clichy, Aleksander Kolarov, Ryan McGivern.

Midfield: Shaun Wright Phillips, Vladimir Weiss, James Milner, Gareth Barry, Yaya Toure, Nigel De Jong, David Silva, Adam Johnson, Denis Suarez.

Strikers: Mario Balotelli, Edin Dzeko, Andrea Mancini, John Guidetti.

Pretty weak forward line really isnt it? Who we missing? Tevez whos more than likely going to leave, just shows unless we get one maybe 2 strikers in we wont win the league....

Given looks like securing a move away hence his exclusion.

I note that Arsenal have also excluded/left behind/rejected/shunned/treated as lepers (delete as applicable) unwanted players from their Asia tour. Frankly I was appalled.

[Green & Blue]

How exactly are the club mistreating these guys.

We agreed a contract with them and we are honouring that contract, city have done absolutely nothing wrong here.
Unfortunately for these players they were signed under a former manager and like any player in the same situation they are going to face an uncertain future when a new manager comes in the door.

These are very fortunate to be earning the money they are at present and truth being told would all easily find another club by the end of the week if they were willing to take a pay cut.

Sadly it seems they are more than happy to choose a handsome salary over first team football.These guys are hungry out and i would be surprised to see any of them settle for anything other than a loan deal as they are not prepared to take a loss of earnings.

I think we have a few who really care about playing and will be happy to move on as football is more important to them than finance.I can see Shay,Nedum and Vlad moving on to try and enjoy their careers and get the best out of the short career they have, sadly thats not the case with quite a few we have on board.

[freshie]

And now it seems the daft cunt has gone on strike (story from The Independent)

Adebayor 'on strike' as City relationship turns ugly

Club in no rush to sell forward on the cheap as wages fall outside financial fair play rulesc / Player to be fined £330,000 for absence

By Ian Herbert, Northern Football Correspondent

Tuesday, 12 July 2011


Emmanuel Adebayor has effectively gone on strike at Manchester City by failing to show up for training having been left out of the club's pre-season tour. The forward is likely to be fined at least two weeks wages – £330,000 in total – and may be in breach of contract, after failing to show at Carrington yesterday. He was also absent for a scheduled training session on Saturday.

City are refusing to be held to ransom by players bought in on expensive salaries two years ago. The relationship between player and club is becoming poisonous, with Adebyor claiming last week that he was considering bringing a constructive dismissal claim against the club, having heard of his omission from the United States tour from a secretary.

Though Craig Bellamy, Wayne Bridge and Jo have all resumed training at a club which clearly wants them out, along with goalkeeper Shay Given, whose move to Aston Villa is progressing, City will not take a hit on their balance sheet by letting them go cheaply – and because of the exemptions put in place by Uefa's Financial Fair Play (FFP) system, they will not jeopardise their chances of complying with the break-even rules by sitting any them in the stands next season.

Under Annex XI of FFP rules, the wages of any player whose contract was signed before June 2010 does not count towards the profit or loss figure which Uefa will take into account when considering if a club is eligible to play in Europe. Adebayor, Bellamy, Bridge and Given all fall within that category.

The FFP rules stipulate that in the first three-year period, clubs will be allowed to lose up to €45m (£41m), reducing to nothing by the 2018-19 season. Uefa's head of club licensing, Andrea Traverso, wants to begin shadowing the club under a "soft implementation" system from this autumn. This £41m figure is gauged by weighing revenue against expenditure on wages and any loss on transfers. Money spent on youth development, stadium improvements or community work does not count. Punishment could involve not being granted a Uefa licence and therefore being banned from the Champions League or Europa League.

City's acute awareness of the new financial regime's exemptions was made clear last Friday by the announcement of a potential £400m sponsorship deal with Etihad Airways, structured around a vast investment in property and infrastructure around the club's stadium, the capital costs of which will not count as "relevant expenses" when Uefa's nine-man Club Financial Control Panel comes to tot up losses. While contract negotiations undertaken after June 2010 for players contracted from before that date are taken into account by Uefa, clubs can remove all wage costs from 2011-12 accounts for players whose deals were in place before then. That will also include Jo – who may be moved back to his previous club CSKA Moscow.

Roberto Mancini doesn't need an emotional, unhappy Adebayor around the club, though. The Togo striker has said that he has consulted lawyers about bringing a case for constructive dismissal against City and that "he has been assured he has a great chance of winning in court." The 27-year-old was moved on to Real Madrid in January, in what was a genuine coup for City chief executive Garry Cook, with the Spanish side also agreeing a buy-out option. Adebayor's poor displays in the season's defining clasicos put paid to any hopes the club might have had of him staying where he was.

Problems may also lie ahead with Bellamy, who suggested last week that City should pay off his wages on the last year of his contract. "A permanent move would be the best, but it would have to be somewhere wealthy, so I can guarantee future earnings for my charity, but that would be difficult with my current wages," he said.

City have not progressed any further towards buying Arsenal's Samir Nasri, despite a report in today's issue of the respected France Football which suggested the player will pocket €10.7m and become the best-paid French footballer of all time at the new Etihad Stadium.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

How exactly are the club mistreating these guys.

We agreed a contract with them and we are honouring that contract, city have done absolutely nothing wrong here.
Unfortunately for these players they were signed under a former manager and like any player in the same situation they are going to face an uncertain future when a new manager comes in the door.

These are very fortunate to be earning the money they are at present and truth being told would all easily find another club by the end of the week if they were willing to take a pay cut.Sadly it seems they are more than happy to choose a handsome salary over first team football.These guys are hungry out and i would be surprised to see any of them settle for anything other than a loan deal as they are not prepared to take a loss of earnings.

I think we have a few who really care about playing and will be happy to move on as football is more important to them than finance.I can see Shay,Nedum and Vlad moving on to try and enjoy their careers and get the best out of the short career they have, sadly thats not the case with quite a few we have on board.

Let's not forget that bit. They have exactly two options. Sit on their arses on their top contracts or move to new club and take a (huge) paycut. As I said earlier, I can fully understand if they choose to just sit their contracts out. I'd probably do the same. But you can't fucking be moaning then if that's how you roll. And credit to likes of RSC, Bridge and Jo. They are all garbage, they probably know it themselves but at least they keep their mouths shut while milking the Club. And just like you said, each and everyone of those players could get Club TOMORROW if they were willing to take varying degrees of paycuts.

As far as Adebayor going on strike, he had history of acting like a clown so none of this really comes as surprise. Suing the Club though? Manu, I'll give you a tip, I wouldn't go against Abu Dhabi posse in shit like this.

[guv111]

Hopefully, Adebayor will be the last of the out and out mercenaries. When we had just come into our billions, couldn't offer Champions League football, and hadn't won anything for decades, just about the only way forward was was to sign greedy second tier stars. Not now. While I think Adebayor has been treated shabbily, he is symptomatic of that first wave of big money signings of players who did a job for a year or so, but now look increasingly out of place in a team containing "proper" City players like Kompany, De Jong and Silva.

As for Tevez:

They [Corinthians] spent a Brazilian-record £13.7m bringing the player to Corinthians in 2005, but like every club that Tevez has played for, that ended in rancour.

Indeed. If I were City I'd take their £35 million, happily - and quickly. Let someone else deal with the mard-arsed little fucker.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

SkySports understands...

That Ade is on his way to Real Madrid on a permanant basis.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 45,00.html

That'd be quite a relief.

[Paco Gento]

Real's interest in Sergio Aguero and Carlos Tevez.

Shit gossip know nothing wannabe sport media riddled with shit know nothing wannabe pundits I hate those lying wankers. Made up stories about RM interest in Bale, Mourinho then gave an interview for them saying he's not interest in him at all and in their next article about Bale they come up with a headline the welsh international already attracted the interest of spanish giants RM. I hate them!

As for Ade I hope he comes mainly to prevent Mourinho running his mouth in the media about not having enough players not that Ade is going to play. The whole story is probably bollocks

[Dubciteh]

Real's interest in Sergio Aguero and Carlos Tevez.

Shit gossip know nothing wannabe sport media riddled with shit know nothing wannabe pundits I hate those lying wankers. Made up stories about RM interest in Bale, Mourinho then gave an interview for them saying he's not interest in him at all and in their next article about Bale they come up with a headline the welsh international already attracted the interest of spanish giants RM. I hate them!

As for Ade I hope he comes mainly to prevent Mourinho running his mouth in the media about not having enough players not that Ade is going to play. The whole story is probably bollocks

1st paragraph makes no sense but i assume your getting a few things off your chest??!!!:)

[Paco Gento]

Real's interest in Sergio Aguero and Carlos Tevez.

Shit gossip know nothing wannabe sport media riddled with shit know nothing wannabe pundits I hate those lying wankers. Made up stories about RM interest in Bale, Mourinho then gave an interview for them saying he's not interest in him at all and in their next article about Bale they come up with a headline the welsh international already attracted the interest of spanish giants RM. I hate them!

As for Ade I hope he comes mainly to prevent Mourinho running his mouth in the media about not having enough players not that Ade is going to play. The whole story is probably bollocks

1st paragraph makes no sense but i assume your getting a few things off your chest??!!!:)

Why wouldn't it make sense? Nothing personnel I hate shit stirring unprofessional medias like sky

[Chinners]

I like the cut of your gib Senor Paco

[Paco Gento]

I like the cut of your gib Senor Paco

Knowing that a charlatan lying about who he is and made a fortune of inventing rumours for sky like Balagué is behind this stories pisses me off. The way the story itself is written to make it look like it's a sky information is pathetic just say you translated it from a Spanish site and end of story fucking wankers.