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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:21 pm

irblinx wrote:Away from home against bigger teams I'd use Milner in the advanced midfield role (ala Yaya last season) and Barry next to Nige. Yaya can sit on the bench for me in big games, he's a luxury that we can't afford, hopelessly unfit for a professional athlete.


I thought he was hopeless mid season but then seemed to get up to speed later. I was hoping he'd be flying after pre season this year. Instead he looked dead on his feet. On one occasion he just stood & watched the rags play the ball around on the edge of our box whe he only had to move five yards to stop them, like Stephen Ireland MK II.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Dameerto » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:48 pm

I'll cut him some slack 'til after Ramadan - if he doesn't show some fitness improvement when he's not fasting I will be very concerned.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby edge275 » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:55 pm

Transfer list both Barry and Milner. There's your conundrum solved.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:11 pm

Dameerto wrote:I'll cut him some slack 'til after Ramadan - if he doesn't show some fitness improvement when he's not fasting I will be very concerned.


Fair comment.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:29 pm

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Chinners wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the amount of stick Barry gets .... unreal


I know. We would have won that game if Bobby had brought him on at half time.


brilliant minds...i said the same thing at HT. Barry was warming up when they scored their 2 in quick succession, wasn't he? i can't recall...but he literally came on within minutes of the 2nd goal. Milner and Mancini were doing a fair bit of jawboxing near the technical area yesterday. Saw it twice, and Milner was really pleading his case in quite an animated fashion. Mancini seemed unimpressed. I wished he had swapped Milner for Barry to start the second half and kept Balo on for a bit longer. Balo did seem like he got into a funk when Jayko scored. Balo likes to throw a little hissy fit when other players score sometimes. I've noticed it a bunch...every goal that isn't his goal seems to create some jealousy as bizarre as that sounds. Still if i were a fat English bastard i'd have his name on the back of my shirt.

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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Alioune DVToure » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:31 pm

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Chinners wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the amount of stick Barry gets .... unreal


I know. We would have won that game if Bobby had brought him on at half time.


brilliant minds...i said the same thing at HT. Barry was warming up when they scored their 2 in quick succession, wasn't he? i can't recall...but he literally came on within minutes of the 2nd goal. Milner and Mancini were doing a fair bit of [highlight]jawboxing[/highlight]near the technical area yesterday. Saw it twice, and Milner was really pleading his case in quite an animated fashion. Mancini seemed unimpressed. I wished he had swapped Milner for Barry to start the second half and kept Balo on for a bit longer. Balo did seem like he got into a funk when Jayko scored. Balo likes to throw a little hissy fit when other players score sometimes. I've noticed it a bunch...every goal that isn't his goal seems to create some jealousy as bizarre as that sounds. Still if i were a fat English bastard i'd have his name on the back of my shirt.

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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:33 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
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Chinners wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the amount of stick Barry gets .... unreal


I know. We would have won that game if Bobby had brought him on at half time.


brilliant minds...i said the same thing at HT. Barry was warming up when they scored their 2 in quick succession, wasn't he? i can't recall...but he literally came on within minutes of the 2nd goal. Milner and Mancini were doing a fair bit of jawboxing near the technical area yesterday. Saw it twice, and Milner was really pleading his case in quite an animated fashion. Mancini seemed unimpressed. I wished he had swapped Milner for Barry to start the second half and kept Balo on for a bit longer. Balo did seem like he got into a funk when Jayko scored. Balo likes to throw a little hissy fit when other players score sometimes. I've noticed it a bunch...every goal that isn't his goal seems to create some jealousy as bizarre as that sounds. Still if i were a fat English bastard i'd have his name on the back of my shirt.

cheers


Any side with players of our supposed quality, should be able to hold on to the ball better than that when given a two goal lead. If we had 6 forwards on we still shouldn't lose, we should be passing them to death. I don't think Bob is at fault for not getting Barry on quicker personally.

We need to learn how to win games without having a team full of defenders.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:47 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
CityGer wrote:
Chinners wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the amount of stick Barry gets .... unreal


I know. We would have won that game if Bobby had brought him on at half time.


brilliant minds...i said the same thing at HT. Barry was warming up when they scored their 2 in quick succession, wasn't he? i can't recall...but he literally came on within minutes of the 2nd goal. Milner and Mancini were doing a fair bit of jawboxing near the technical area yesterday. Saw it twice, and Milner was really pleading his case in quite an animated fashion. Mancini seemed unimpressed. I wished he had swapped Milner for Barry to start the second half and kept Balo on for a bit longer. Balo did seem like he got into a funk when Jayko scored. Balo likes to throw a little hissy fit when other players score sometimes. I've noticed it a bunch...every goal that isn't his goal seems to create some jealousy as bizarre as that sounds. Still if i were a fat English bastard i'd have his name on the back of my shirt.

cheers


Any side with players of our supposed quality, should be able to hold on to the ball better than that when given a two goal lead. If we had 6 forwards on we still shouldn't lose, we should be passing them to death. I don't think Bob is at fault for not getting Barry on quicker personally.

We need to learn how to win games without having a team full of defenders.


Do you consider Barry a defender? not a rhetorical question. I get your point about him, but it clearly wasn't happening for us yesterday , so why be so stubborn and stick with it? We were getting overrun, and our passing and touch looked desperate...almost from the get go. The problem was that it wasn't just one or two players, it was an epidemic. It was sloppy and heartless. i was really shocked to be honest. The ending was just so unbelievable....it was really indicative of just how shit we were on the day.

Barry is just a calming, positional midfield force...i don't find him horribly defensive tho you'd never classify him as attacking. What did you guys call someone like Barry in the 70s? A "midfielder" perhaps? the infatuation with labeling someone either attacking or defensive in midfield does a player like Barry an injustice really, doesn't it?

and yes Barry can lay some stinkers...he's shown that to us a few times, but all in all...way more good than harm, and yesterday was crying out for him imho. After he came on we actually got some possession and made some passes, and even saw a couple of wasteful chances from TYY and Silva in the box...to me that was a sure sign of what we might have been doing instead of standing around looked scared while they scored not once, but twice.

Up 2-0 at HT, Mancini should have dragged Milner off for Barry and even considered putting Aguero in for Balo. Whole new wrinkle would have been added. Hindsight is asshole vision tho, as they say.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby phips » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:07 pm

twosips wrote:You've gotta hope that signing Nasri or someone means the following for Swansea

.... De Jong ... Barry ....

Nasri .... Yaya ..... Silva

.........Aguero ..............
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:14 pm

phips wrote:
twosips wrote:You've gotta hope that signing Nasri or someone means the following for Swansea

.... De Jong ... Barry ....

Nasri .... Yaya ..... Silva

.........Aguero ..............



Except that Mancini is already telling us that Aguero won't be fit for the game.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:15 pm

phips wrote:
twosips wrote:You've gotta hope that signing Nasri or someone means the following for Swansea

.... De Jong ... Barry ....

Nasri .... Yaya ..... Silva

.........Aguero ..............


somewhat arrogant to start the season against the newly promoted with just 6 players. We are good, but i think i'd play some defenders and a keeper as well.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby bluebananamilksheikh » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:05 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
phips wrote:
twosips wrote:You've gotta hope that signing Nasri or someone means the following for Swansea

.... De Jong ... Barry ....

Nasri .... Yaya ..... Silva

.........Aguero ..............


somewhat arrogant to start the season against the newly promoted with just 6 players. We are good, but i think i'd play some defenders and a keeper as well.
We didn't have a defence in the 2nd Half yesterday !!!!
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:12 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
phips wrote:
twosips wrote:You've gotta hope that signing Nasri or someone means the following for Swansea

.... De Jong ... Barry ....

Nasri .... Yaya ..... Silva

.........Aguero ..............



Except that Mancini is already telling us that Aguero won't be fit for the game.


We seem to have the latest technology , billion dollar facilities and set up yet we have a player training with boots that are too small for him.

Speechless.

Well.....actually no im not......whos the cunt that allowed that to happen? I fancy another whinge.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby kinkylola » Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:30 am

there are lots of players that play with boots a size too small ... supposedly gives better ball control? Never understood that, tried it once myself and I couldn't even play the second half my feet were so fucked up. It may be he was trying out something new for the Copa and he has right fucked himself up too! Either way, let's buy him a pair of boots that fit.
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby irblinx » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:31 am

kinkylola wrote:there are lots of players that play with boots a size too small ... supposedly gives better ball control?


this! most of them do, especially the strikers
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Re: The conundrum of how to use Barry and Milner

Postby dazby » Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:24 am

My goalkicks go further with tighter boots.

The team as a whole were terrible with possession but Superjaw did do some good things. He tended to get fouled before he could finish them.
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