micah... [merged]

[Mase]

Micah needs to stop diving. Now.

It's becoming a bit of a joke now isn't it? It's only a matter of time before he gets booked, and then he'll be walking a tight line if he's up against a nippy left winger.

[Ted Hughes]

I always thought that when a manager does not pick a player when he is fit it was a sign that the player was either noy playing the way the manager wants him to play,or he is not playing to the standard people expect,or the player is not playing very well.If that is not the case can any of you enlightened people tell me.
Also I do not get why people are telling me that Downing has much better figures than Johnson because he has played a lot more minutes.
From my calculations(they may be wrong,one of you clever people can put me right if I am wrong) Downing has done about 110% more mins than AJ.
For example if one adds 110% to Johnsons shots that takes him upto 57,Downing has 62.
If one does it for the crosses Johnson has 227,Downing 324
The passes tell this story Johnson 1558.Downing 1874.
There are a few measurments such as goals which go inJohnsons favour following that system but on the whole Downing still has better figures.
Can one of the people who know let me know why it is so.
This is all a bit hypothetical I suppose because the fact is Johnson was not picked people like SWP ,Zabba and Milner fought him for his place and on many occasions won.Johnson did not do the mins and therefore has not got the stats.

<groan>

Is this bloke the stupidest fucker on the internet or what ?

If you know the answer could you please tell me as you have already pointed out I am stupid so explain whay I am doing wrong.

Ok, if you genuinely don't understand it, I'm sorry for calling you stupid.

Those stats just show that Downing played more. They don't tell us he was better.

If you play more games, you will have more passes/crosses etc when they're all added up. The stats which would be used to compare the players would be how many crosses/passes goals etc are scored on average, per game, not in total.

If Tevez scored 30 goals last season but doesn't play this season & Aguero gets 20 goals compared to Tevez' 0, it doesn't automatically mean that Aguero is now better at scoring goals than Tevez. It just means that you can't use current stats to compare them. Similarly, if Downing plays more games than AJ & scores more goals, it doesn't mean he is a better player as AJ may have scored the same, or more goals, if he played the same number of games.

Stats in general are only a help in making comparisons though, they don't give the full tale. We know that david Silva was better than Downing or AJ but his stats don't tell us that. There are lots of things which players do to change a game which it's difficult to write a stat for. For example if Silva beats 3 men passes it to AJ, who taps it 3 yards for Tevez to score; AJ gets the stat for the assist, not Silva, even though he's done next to nothing & Silva created the goal.

Stats are an indicator, not the be all and end all. They have to be used alongside many other judgements, including just watching the game.

[Tokyo Blue]

Micah needs to stop diving. Now.

It's becoming a bit of a joke now isn't it? It's only a matter of time before he gets booked, and then he'll be walking a tight line if he's up against a nippy left winger.

Yes it is and yes it is. And there is zero chance of it succeeding and him getting us a penalty.

[Ted Hughes]

Micah needs to stop diving. Now.

It's becoming a bit of a joke now isn't it? It's only a matter of time before he gets booked, and then he'll be walking a tight line if he's up against a nippy left winger.

Yes it is and yes it is. And there is zero chance of it succeeding and him getting us a penalty.

It might succeed with a shit ref, but it's crap & he should stop it.

[Rag_hater]

I always thought that when a manager does not pick a player when he is fit it was a sign that the player was either noy playing the way the manager wants him to play,or he is not playing to the standard people expect,or the player is not playing very well.If that is not the case can any of you enlightened people tell me.
Also I do not get why people are telling me that Downing has much better figures than Johnson because he has played a lot more minutes.
From my calculations(they may be wrong,one of you clever people can put me right if I am wrong) Downing has done about 110% more mins than AJ.
For example if one adds 110% to Johnsons shots that takes him upto 57,Downing has 62.
If one does it for the crosses Johnson has 227,Downing 324
The passes tell this story Johnson 1558.Downing 1874.
There are a few measurments such as goals which go inJohnsons favour following that system but on the whole Downing still has better figures.
Can one of the people who know let me know why it is so.
This is all a bit hypothetical I suppose because the fact is Johnson was not picked people like SWP ,Zabba and Milner fought him for his place and on many occasions won.Johnson did not do the mins and therefore has not got the stats.

<groan>

Is this bloke the stupidest fucker on the internet or what ?

If you know the answer could you please tell me as you have already pointed out I am stupid so explain whay I am doing wrong.

Ok, if you genuinely don't understand it, I'm sorry for calling you stupid.

Those stats just show that Downing played more. They don't tell us he was better.

If you play more games, you will have more passes/crosses etc when they're all added up. The stats which would be used to compare the players would be how many crosses/passes goals etc are scored on average, per game, not in total.

If Tevez scored 30 goals last season but doesn't play this season & Aguero gets 20 goals compared to Tevez' 0, it doesn't automatically mean that Aguero is now better at scoring goals than Tevez. It just means that you can't use current stats to compare them. Similarly, if Downing plays more games than AJ & scores more goals, it doesn't mean he is a better player as AJ may have scored the same, or more goals, if he played the same number of games.

Stats in general are only a help in making comparisons though, they don't give the full tale. We know that david Silva was better than Downing or AJ but his stats don't tell us that. There are lots of things which players do to change a game which it's difficult to write a stat for. For example if Silva beats 3 men passes it to AJ, who taps it 3 yards for Tevez to score; AJ gets the stat for the assist, not Silva, even though he's done next to nothing & Silva created the goal.

Stats are an indicator, not the be all and end all. They have to be used alongside many other judgements, including just watching the game.

At last a decent reply and some reasons.
I think the reasons you give make a point but for me the end result is the main factor.
Taking your Tevez and Aguero analogy.For me If he does score 20 more than Tevez this year by playing more the way I see it ,this year he is the better player.
The work the other guy does for me is another thing to be consider.The end result is another thing.
For me the way I interpret those stats is that Downing and Adam are being measured on the same thing and in those measurments from the calculations I have been able to do Downing last year was ahead.Thing I hope pan out differently this year

[Ted Hughes]

The very point you are now making, is the one I have tried to reasonably explain to you; is wrong & is not how statistics are intended to be used.

[dazby]

I always thought that when a manager does not pick a player when he is fit it was a sign that the player was either noy playing the way the manager wants him to play,or he is not playing to the standard people expect,or the player is not playing very well.If that is not the case can any of you enlightened people tell me.
Also I do not get why people are telling me that Downing has much better figures than Johnson because he has played a lot more minutes.
From my calculations(they may be wrong,one of you clever people can put me right if I am wrong) Downing has done about 110% more mins than AJ.
For example if one adds 110% to Johnsons shots that takes him upto 57,Downing has 62.
If one does it for the crosses Johnson has 227,Downing 324
The passes tell this story Johnson 1558.Downing 1874.
There are a few measurments such as goals which go inJohnsons favour following that system but on the whole Downing still has better figures.
Can one of the people who know let me know why it is so.
This is all a bit hypothetical I suppose because the fact is Johnson was not picked people like SWP ,Zabba and Milner fought him for his place and on many occasions won.Johnson did not do the mins and therefore has not got the stats.

<groan>

Is this bloke the stupidest fucker on the internet or what ?

Ted, all due respect but you're the stupid fucler who keeps biting.

[Beeks]

Is it me or has he put on a few pounds?

Looked a little portly yesterday!

[1950]

From my calculations(they may be wrong,one of you clever people can put me right if I am wrong) Downing has done about 110% more mins than AJ.
For example if one adds 110% to Johnsons shots that takes him upto 57,Downing has 62.
If one does it for the crosses Johnson has 227,Downing 324
The passes tell this story Johnson 1558.Downing 1874.

Your calculations are unnecessary. All the stats you need to compare the two are already in the table. The mistake you are making is taking the total numbers, ie total shots, instead of the numbers measuring the quality of the shots (accuracy). Both players are equally good in that example (42%). Same with passes. You took the number for total passes, not for accurate passes. Downing has more passes total (on average), but a lesser percentage (69%) is accurate, which makes Johnson (73%) a better passer.

Everyone knows that Johnson needs to work on his crossing accuracy & I already mentioned in my original post that Downing has the advantage here looking at the numbers.

Johnson also has more succesful dribbles (35 to 28) in half the playing time, if you gross up the minutes even thrice as much (2.1 per game over Downing's 0.7).

They create the same amount of chances (one every 44 minutes), so Downing was, again, not better.

Johnson put 15% of his chances away, Downing only 11%. Again, Downing not better.

Johnson scored every 383 minutes, Downing every 484. Again, Downing not better.

If you want to compare two players with such a gap in playing time, look at the averages & percentages, not the total numbers.

[Original Dub]

It's becoming a bit of a joke now isn't it? It's only a matter of time before he gets booked, and then he'll be walking a tight line if he's up against a nippy left winger.

Racist

[Kladze]

I always thought that when a manager does not pick a player when he is fit it was a sign that the player was either noy playing the way the manager wants him to play,or he is not playing to the standard people expect,or the player is not playing very well.If that is not the case can any of you enlightened people tell me.
Also I do not get why people are telling me that Downing has much better figures than Johnson because he has played a lot more minutes.
From my calculations(they may be wrong,one of you clever people can put me right if I am wrong) Downing has done about 110% more mins than AJ.
For example if one adds 110% to Johnsons shots that takes him upto 57,Downing has 62.
If one does it for the crosses Johnson has 227,Downing 324
The passes tell this story Johnson 1558.Downing 1874.
There are a few measurments such as goals which go inJohnsons favour following that system but on the whole Downing still has better figures.
Can one of the people who know let me know why it is so.
This is all a bit hypothetical I suppose because the fact is Johnson was not picked people like SWP ,Zabba and Milner fought him for his place and on many occasions won.Johnson did not do the mins and therefore has not got the stats.

<groan>

Is this bloke the stupidest fucker on the internet or what ?

If you know the answer could you please tell me as you have already pointed out I am stupid so explain whay I am doing wrong.

Ok,

Stats are an indicator, not the be all and end all. They have to be used alongside many other judgements, including just watching the game.

It's a funny thing.

I never saw stats to tell me that Colin Bell was a great inside forward.
Nor that Summerbee created a shitload of chances and was A FINE WINGER.
Nor that Francis Lee was a goalcoring game changer.

Or that Rodney Marsh was a great player who could often be a luxury but was fantastic to watch anyway.

I JUST WATCHED THE FUCKING GAMES !!!!!!!














AAAARRRGGGHHH !!!

[Mase]

It's becoming a bit of a joke now isn't it? It's only a matter of time before he gets booked, and then he'll be walking a tight line if he's up against a nippy left winger.

Racist

:)

[PoC]

Having only listened to parts of the game on the radio due to work yesterday and missed motd can anyone tell me why micah was subbed?

[bluej]

Having only listened to parts of the game on the radio due to work yesterday and missed motd can anyone tell me why micah was subbed?

He collided with Given and went off with a bad head, nothing serious though I don't think.

[Mase]

Having only listened to parts of the game on the radio due to work yesterday and missed motd can anyone tell me why micah was subbed?

He collided with Given and went off with a bad head, nothing serious though I don't think.

So it's nothing to do with him putting on some weight then?

[bigblue]

At last a decent reply and some reasons.

So I guess you're not counting the 10 other replies that explained the exact same thing to you. It's crazy considering how obsessed you are with stats, that you know fuck all about them. You sound like a broken record, unable to actually understand anything that people write to you.