Tevez

[Beefymcfc]

It's all part of it. We push our side, they smash it down. The world was expecting a shit storm from us which we sort of provided but the powers that be pushed us into submission. Our PR have ensured we come out as the good guys under the circumstances and ensure Mancini is seen as the numero uno.

Good work, and the Sheikh Mansour backing rumour was another decent move.

[eastlandsblue.co.uk]

Well I for one certainly do not want him back. I'm afraid that Mancini will have no alternative but to include him back into the squad, against his own wishes, should the PFA get their way. This would seriously compromise Mancini's position as City's Manager

If Tevez doesn't know now that he is not wanted by the fans anymore, it needs to be made clear to him that this is the case (a poll maybe), though I suspect that he and his agent are just milking every inch of this situation in order to get a move away on the cheap whilst still being paid and punishing City and Mancini by claiming he's the innocent party in all this. Then he will go in January anyway

Everyone knows by his attitude on that bench and his after match remarks, that he was not accepting the Managers request in a very serious situation during the game. I, and I'm sure the majority if fans are with Mancini and want him out ASAP

TEVEZ OUT - TEVEZ OUT - TEVEZ OUT OUT OUT!!!

[Beefymcfc]

It will only take a warm-up for Carlos to understand that things are not the same. In fact, I'd suggest he already knows.

[Dameerto]

It's not all lost though, the club can still show a history of Tevez's reactions to being asked to warm up, (and stress again that the fine was for refusing to WARM UP, not refusal to play) he's been caught on camera several times. Is there any kind of appeal against the PFA for a club? The player certainly gets plenty of protection from 'unjust' decisions so why don't clubs?

[Beefymcfc]

It's not all lost though, the club can still show a history of Tevez's reactions to being asked to warm up, (and stress again that the fine was for refusing to WARM UP, not refusal to play) he's been caught on camera several times. Is there any kind of appeal against the PFA for a club? The player certainly gets plenty of protection from 'unjust' decisions so why don't clubs?

It's now finished.................................in public.

[Dameerto]

That depends whether there's any mileage in the club's grievance, and whether there's a grievance procedure.

[bigblue]

including Tevez's new 'PR Advisor' Paul McCarthy, he clearly has no shame.

The only reason that a footballer would need a PR adviser is if they have fucked up and need to spin it. Playing football isn't complicated enough that you need to craft a suitable, uniform message to win over the public. All you need to do is win games for your team. Carlos is a shit reeking scumball, too dirty for flies to even land on.

The fact that the PFA have supported this scum will fuck them over in the long run. Conflict of interest, dishonest, lack of integrity, and spineless - giving a bad name to unions everywhere

Also the poll on the guardian currently is at:

90% think City aren't being too harsh
10% are rags or brain dead

[Blue Since 76]

What a surprise - the PFA back a player, regardless of what they do. The attitude of Gordon Taylor is a disgrace and I don't just mean about the Herman issue. If you want to work out what's wrong with football, Taylor is a good place to start.

I honestly don't care what happens to Herman anymore. I'd like to see him warm up once, just so I can make my feelings known to him but after that I never want to see him in a city shirt again. Don't care how much we get or where he goes anymore. That's a problem for FIFA to resolve as if he walks for a very low price the transfer system is in tatters. We don't need the money, his wages don't count towards the unfair financial play so couldn't care less.

[phips]

this is the dumbest thing ever. fine him as much as possible as many times as possible and stick him in the reserves for 3 years. i dont want to hear anything more from him or about him.
he is a disgrace to himself and to footballers everywhere and is tarnishing City's rep.

this is a nuisance and is distracting from City's current success and my enjoyment of European football in general.

[Patrick]

Manchester City Football Club has received notification from the Players' Union (PFA) that it will not support a four-week fine as a penalty for the actions of misconduct of Carlos Tevez.

The Club acknowledges that the Players' Union is the sole organisation empowered with granting the ability for clubs to levy fines greater than the two weeks provided for in player contracts.

However, Manchester City is disappointed by the apparent PFA conflict of interest evident in this process.

Carlos Tevez has been personally represented throughout by the PFA Chief Executive, on whose considerations the Club has been informed that the PFA has made its decision.

Manchester City has been in constant dialogue with the PFA since September 28th. Today's PFA decision is a departure from the Club's understanding of that dialogue.

Without recourse to the PFA decision available, the maximum two-week fine provided for in standard player contracts will now be applied in relation to the misconduct of Carlos Tevez.

Full club statment....

Roughly translated...... We ran this past the PFA and they supported our stance. Then, once we had acted on their advice, they did a complete 180 and fucked us over royally

[Lev Bronstein]

Is this the same Graham Taylor who, as a result of phone hacking, took £400k from the NOTW on the understanding he didn't inform his members (allegedly)?

[CityGer]

Just reading some more on this today and what an odd set up. The PFA have the final say on this. No questions, no appeal, what we say goes.

I'm shocked that we have a system which sees the body that represents the players have the final say on their punishment.
The club statement on there being a conflict of interests is the biggest understatement ever!

I wonder whether this will turn out to be a sort of test case which sees this set up change.

[john@staustell]

I was quite surprised to learn that the PFA was not playing the wages of Plymouth players when the club couldn't. Taylor continues to draw a vast salary (£1M) in this 70s dinosaur organisation. The 2 week maximum was introduced to stop players being put in hardship by their fines. Multi-millionaire Tevez?

Time Taylor and the PFA were put out to grass.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bi ... m-12402734

The chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA), says he is not embarrassed at being paid seven times more than the prime minister.

Former Birmingham City winger, Gordon Taylor, is reportedly paid almost £1m a year in his role.

In an interview for BBC WM Hardtalk, Mr Taylor said it was not up to him to justify his salary.

Asked if he was embarrassed about his reported salary of £984,000, he said every worker is "worth their hire".

Mr Taylor has been involved with the PFA - the trade union for English footballers - since the 1980s.

'Short career'
In the interview, Mr Taylor said: "I don't think it's up to me to justify.

"It's up to (the) management committee because I don't write my own salary out.

"There's a finance committee and they work out our income and expenditure and I suppose they might just have thought what are the assets of the PFA now compared to when he came in and what does he negotiate for us each year.

"I wouldn't want any of my members and neither myself to be embarrassed about it... Every labour is worth his hire, that's going to back to the Bible," he added.

"The whole object of the players' association is to try and make sure that any individual is able to capitalise on his ability, particularly in football which is a very short career."

[Kladze]

I hope Sheik Mansoor is as angry as I am about this.

[Ted Hughes]

I hate the bloke. I've always heard people say what a great 'football man' he is but I've never seen anything other than a greedy, obnoxious, slimeball. No matter what these people do, he finds the most lenient way of handling it & rarely condemns anything they do in strong terms, even when they occasionally murder somebody. He is a piece of shit who makes money by defending the indefensible.

That's Taylor btw!

[Patrick]

Just to add insult to injury..... We have to play him or he can walk for free.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 76786.html

City's attempts to maintain a hard line against Tevez are further undermined by Fifa legislation which means they must play the Argentine in 10 per cent of their games this season or risk giving him the right to terminate his contract and walk away.

Article 15 of Fifa's Regulations on the Status & Transfer of Players stipulates that the striker is entitled to terminate his contract under "sporting just cause" next summer if he has been on the field for less than ten per cent of City's total game time by then.

Im no advocate of violence, but the cuntl needs kneecapping

[carl_feedthegoat]

Just to add insult to injury..... We have to play him or he can walk for free.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 76786.html

City's attempts to maintain a hard line against Tevez are further undermined by Fifa legislation which means they must play the Argentine in 10 per cent of their games this season or risk giving him the right to terminate his contract and walk away.

Article 15 of Fifa's Regulations on the Status & Transfer of Players stipulates that the striker is entitled to terminate his contract under "sporting just cause" next summer if he has been on the field for less than ten per cent of City's total game time by then.

Im no advocate of violence, but the cuntl needs kneecapping

Well the cunts already played in 5 matches ..so 5 more then ?

[Kladze]

Just to add insult to injury..... We have to play him or he can walk for free.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 76786.html

City's attempts to maintain a hard line against Tevez are further undermined by Fifa legislation which means they must play the Argentine in 10 per cent of their games this season or risk giving him the right to terminate his contract and walk away.

Article 15 of Fifa's Regulations on the Status & Transfer of Players stipulates that the striker is entitled to terminate his contract under "sporting just cause" next summer if he has been on the field for less than ten per cent of City's total game time by then.

Im no advocate of violence, but the cuntl needs kneecapping

Just make sure they are fucking home matches :@

[ronk]

The PFA stance is the best thing that could have happened. We made our point, we couldn't give a shit about the money (we're losing money either way, it's not a lot more). It was only an extra 2 weeks pay.

But we're now the good guys, every club in the Premier League will be spitting venom privately over this. He refused to play, he refused to apologise. Who here wouldn't go crawling on their hands and knees, even if there'd been a misunderstanding?

The PFA were given powers to enforce their own rules. They've abused that privilege and they've acted in bad faith. Taylor isn't even bothering to deny (and why would he) the implications of this statement from MCFC "Manchester City has been in constant dialogue with the PFA since September 28th. Today's PFA decision is a departure from the Club's understanding of that dialogue."

Instead, the response has been to say that there's no conflict of interest, the PFA's ONLY interest is the player.

Tevez threatening to sue, so what. Cross examination would end his career and how would he establish damages. He's taking in huge money that he can't have expected to better anywhere else and he's been the architect of his own downfall. This was happening regardless of the Bayern match. He has systematically managed to destroy a reputation that was capable of holding up through almost anything. We turned a blind eye to a lot of things, but it's clear to anyone that he was acting the douchebag (even by his standards) well before the Bayern game.

[Mase]

Put the kettle on while you're on the way out.