Is Scott Parker As Good As They Say? Really?

[King Kev]

In other words, What Does Scott Parker Actually Do?

Good question, I will revisit this thread in 8 months for the answer.

[zuricity]

Worse than my mother ... Who are "They" ?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I have just read in another thread that Scott Parker has been included in the squads chosen by SkySports and F365's Team Of The Season So Far. This comes after he was awarded the Football Writer's Player Of The Year last season.

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why the media love this average player so much??

1.)He failed to prevent West Ham being relegated
2.)He doesn't make it into the top 100 of the Player Performance Index
3.)He hasn't scored in the 8 games he has played this season.
4.)The Premier League's own Fantasy Football has him ranked 88th amongst midfield players
5.)He has only provided 1 assist this season (Micah Richards has 4)

So, what's so good about him??

What a stupid, stupid selection of stats.
1.) So what? Good players can be in bad teams. True
2.) Oh well point proven then... Not. Sarcastic replies do not make the facts any less valid.
3.) He's not a striker. Can only strikers score goals? Somebody had better tell Lampard, Yaya, Van Der Vaart, etc etc
4.) Because he plays a defensive midfield role, so isn't likely to score much and they only get 1 point for a clean sheet. Plenty of defensive midfielders (and defenders) create chances, score goals and help to keep clean sheets, so why can't Super Scotty do any of these?
5.) He's a defensive midfielder again. Micah Richards plays in defence but still creates chances for his team-mates, hence the comparison


Stats really prove fuck all. True, all stats are pointless, for example City have more points than any other team in the league but that means nothing; Slva has more assists than anybody else, doesn't make him a good player; we beat the scum 6-1, but that doesn't mean we are a better team, etc, etc

What a load of tosh. You are judging a defensive midfielder on the amount of goals they score? My g-d Dejong must be terrible as must Barry. Pah only about 5 goals between them in two seasons- so over rated.

Richards plays full back and in our system the full backs attack a heck of a lot more and are likely to get more assists then depe lying midfielders.


Pah who am I kidding? Everyone knows you measure a defensive midfielder by how many goals he scored. You seriously comparing him to Lampard and VDV, two ATTACKING midfielders?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Chris Eagles has scored as many goals as Silva. they must be on a par. And Klasnic with 5 goals must be tonnes better.

[Ted Hughes]

I should imagine KK has seen Parker play just as often as you have & is just using the stats to back up the impression he gets from seeing him play, as am I.

Wait wait wait, you've seen him play and you don't rate him?

I am fairly certain that KK is on a windup as it's an international weekend and the board needs someone to kick over a rock, but you have seen him play and don't rate him? Oh that's just sad.

I'm in awe of him.

I think it's his partial mobility that ruly inspires me, or is it his wonderful ability to occasionally produce a pass which is quite good ? I can't decide.

[King Kev]

Why do some of you chose to only take issue with 1 or 2 of my points and not the whole?

Ok, I'll try to make it simple for you;

In 8 league games he has scored only 1 goal = Not a good attacking midfielder
In those games he has only created 1 goal for his team mates = Not a good creative midfield player
Of those 8 games, his team have only kept 1 clean sheet = Not a good defensive player

If you take these facts as a whole rather than just picking 1 out that suits you, you will be hard pushed to tell exactly what it is that Super Scotty contributes to a team.

[Kladze]

Why do some of you chose to only take issue with 1 or 2 of my points and not the whole?

Ok, I'll try to make it simple for you;

In 8 league games he has scored only 1 goal = Not a good attacking midfielder
In those games he has only created 1 goal for his team mates = Not a good creative midfield player
Of those 8 games, his team have only kept 1 clean sheet = Not a good defensive player

If you take these facts as a whole rather than just picking 1 out that suits you, you will be hard pushed to tell exactly what it is that Super Scotty contributes to a team.

Value to the team?

How many points have Spuds taken from those 8 games?

Just playing devil's advocate by the way. I also don't think he's quite as good as he's cracked up to be.

[King Kev]

Worse than my mother ... Who are "They" ?

SkySports, F365 and the Football Writers Association - I thought I mentioned that in my original post?

[Wonderwall]

I have seen parker a couple of times this season, but saw him a lot last season for west ham and I have to say he is a very good player indeed. I have no issue with him being up there, he puts in a great shift and as the pundits say "does all the dirty work" so the so called flair players can go about their business.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Why do some of you chose to only take issue with 1 or 2 of my points and not the whole?

Ok, I'll try to make it simple for you;

In 8 league games he has scored only 1 goal = Not a good attacking midfielder
In those games he has only created 1 goal for his team mates = Not a good creative midfield player
Of those 8 games, his team have only kept 1 clean sheet = Not a good defensive player

If you take these facts as a whole rather than just picking 1 out that suits you, you will be hard pushed to tell exactly what it is that Super Scotty contributes to a team.

He's a defensive midfielder ffs. He's in the team to break up play and move the ball on, something that Spurs badly lack. Very much like Barry or Dejong for us. To compare him on the amount of goals he has is just fucking stupid. Lampard and Vdv have far more license to attack and hence get more goals.

Of those games Spurs have won 7, so clearly he is a good player.

Let's look at Clichy:
Hasn't scored a goal for us- clearly crap
Has barely made an assist- he must be terrible
Barely kept a clean sheet whilst he's been playing.


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[Alex Sapphire]

Totally overayed

Hi Soccergal. Welcome.
Why don't you introduce yourself at THIS LINK

BTW Scottie's alright, although there's a bit of a trend with his transfer fees:

£10m paid by Chelsea, £6.5m by Newcastle, £7m by West Ham, £5.5m by Dirty Harry.
Looks like he's finally reaching his potential and in a team that suits him.

[bluej]

KK has played a blinder here, top international break wind up.

[Slim]

KK has played a blinder here, top international break wind up.

Called it well early on.

[Rag_hater]

I have just read in another thread that Scott Parker has been included in the squads chosen by SkySports and F365's Team Of The Season So Far. This comes after he was awarded the Football Writer's Player Of The Year last season.

Am I the only person who doesn't understand why the media love this average player so much??

He failed to prevent West Ham being relegated
He doesn't make it into the top 100 of the Player Performance Index
He hasn't scored in the 8 games he has played this season.
The Premier League's own Fantasy Football has him ranked 88th amongst midfield players
He has only provided 1 assist this season (Micah Richards has 4)

So, what's so good about him??

I think he is a good player.

Why did Gio fail to stop us getting relegated?
I think your previos with like what does Yaya do thread as the other guy mentioned suggests that perhaps your not seeing what quite a few of us others are.
Maybe your lack of faith in him is due to the fact that it seems your comparing information on him that does not show him at the top in the people your comparing him with.If you could find some stats that show other things I think that might help make a better judgement of him.

[King Kev]

Why do some of you chose to only take issue with 1 or 2 of my points and not the whole?

Ok, I'll try to make it simple for you;

In 8 league games he has scored only 1 goal = Not a good attacking midfielder
In those games he has only created 1 goal for his team mates = Not a good creative midfield player
Of those 8 games, his team have only kept 1 clean sheet = Not a good defensive player

If you take these facts as a whole rather than just picking 1 out that suits you, you will be hard pushed to tell exactly what it is that Super Scotty contributes to a team.

He's a defensive midfielder ffs. He's in the team to break up play and move the ball on, something that Spurs badly lack. Very much like Barry or Dejong for us. To compare him on the amount of goals he has is just fucking stupid. Lampard and Vdv have far more license to attack and hence get more goals.

Of those games Spurs have won 7, so clearly he is a good player.

Let's look at Clichy:
Hasn't scored a goal for us- clearly crap
Has barely made an assist- he must be terrible
Barely kept a clean sheet whilst he's been playing.

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Eh? But Clichy wasn't included in either of the Teams So Far and wasn't awarded the Football Writers Player Of The Year Award! What's your points?

As for Super Scotty, I know he is a "defensive midfielder ffs" that is why I mentioned his defensive record above.

[King Kev]

I think your previos with like what does Yaya do thread as the other guy mentioned suggests that perhaps your not seeing what quite a few of us others are.

Come on, I wasn't the only person back in March who failed to see what Yaya was adding to our side! Isn't hindsight wonderful eh!

How about some credit for spotting nice and early that Hughes was a useless cunt and that Mancini should not be sacked when many idiots were calling for it?? We all make the occasional bad call don't we!

Maybe your lack of faith in him is due to the fact that it seems your comparing information on him that does not show him at the top in the people your comparing him with.If you could find some stats that show other things I think that might help make a better judgement of him.

The information I am comparing on him is based on facts from this season, I can't think of any more relevant information to use? Maybe you could provide some?

[Slim]

How about some credit for spotting nice and early that Hughes was a useless cunt and that Mancini should not be sacked when many idiots were calling for it?? We all make the occasional bad call don't we!

Me and NQDP called that...before he took the job.

[King Kev]

How about some credit for spotting nice and early that Hughes was a useless cunt and that Mancini should not be sacked when many idiots were calling for it?? We all make the occasional bad call don't we!

Me and NQDP called that...before he took the job.

Well done.

[Wooders]

hes an above average premier league midfielder

the fact that he is 30 and has only really ever been a key player at west ham & now Spurs says it all

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Why do some of you chose to only take issue with 1 or 2 of my points and not the whole?

Ok, I'll try to make it simple for you;

In 8 league games he has scored only 1 goal = Not a good attacking midfielder
In those games he has only created 1 goal for his team mates = Not a good creative midfield player
Of those 8 games, his team have only kept 1 clean sheet = Not a good defensive player

If you take these facts as a whole rather than just picking 1 out that suits you, you will be hard pushed to tell exactly what it is that Super Scotty contributes to a team.

He's a defensive midfielder ffs. He's in the team to break up play and move the ball on, something that Spurs badly lack. Very much like Barry or Dejong for us. To compare him on the amount of goals he has is just fucking stupid. Lampard and Vdv have far more license to attack and hence get more goals.

Of those games Spurs have won 7, so clearly he is a good player.

Let's look at Clichy:
Hasn't scored a goal for us- clearly crap
Has barely made an assist- he must be terrible
Barely kept a clean sheet whilst he's been playing.

Y

Eh? But Clichy wasn't included in either of the Teams So Far and wasn't awarded the Football Writers Player Of The Year Award! What's your points?

As for Super Scotty, I know he is a "defensive midfielder ffs" that is why I mentioned his defensive record above.

But you're argument is fucking ridiculous. Why even mention his goalscoring record? And you mention he doesn't score as many as VDV, he's in the team to allow players like that more of a license to attack.

Then you decide to pin the blame for Spurs conceding goals with him in the team proves he's not that good defensively. So every time Spurs concede a goal it's his fault? He's only one player.
Then you compare him with Lampard and even Micah Richards?
My points are by all means say Parker is overrated but don't back it up with shite, selective stats.
He's been excellent this season. He's not a player who scores every game or makes huge amounts of defence splitting passes. But he's very good at just doing the simple things very well ala Barry. Infact put him in our team in place of Barry and you wouldn't notice the difference.