Herman Won't Contest/AWOL in Argie

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I'm not a Tevez supporter I'm just trying to establish if our management team have been crystal clear in explaining their expectations from Tevez. I'm sure our legal teamwill examine all communications. I would like the club to be whiter than white in this very public dispute.

Last time it was Bob speaking after the match and he should probably have not said anything but you can fully understand his outburst. This time it's been dealt with by HR and lawyers in a calm fashion. If they didn't do it properly, they want sacking.

I wasnt thinking so much of HR procedures following him "not being present at the club on Wednesday" but making it clear that he was "definitely required to attend the club on Wednesday". From what Tevez's camp has said Tevez seems to have been trying to obtain permission to leave from a number of management staff before he left.

On the face of it the incident is not quite as bad as Robinho's departure from Mark Hughes' training camp in Tenerife in 2009, where Robinho didnt seem to have been sought permission to return to Brazil.

My concern is that our management /coaching staff should let him know "exactly" what they expect from him. To be unclear is unprofessional and open to dispute as was found to be the case with the touchline dispute at Bayern.

I am not on Tevez' side I just dont want our club to be open to criticism. I dont think we should demonise Tevez, we should try and understand him and ideally sell him for the best price in January. We are losing huge sums of money on Tevez's sale price by such incidents. Disputes should be avoided where possible by clear communications.

It's irrelevant whether T***z tried to contact management staff or not. They are not his employers and so cannot make a call like that without permission from upstairs. The long and short of this is that Tevez' was given a day off on Tuesday and expected to return to training on Wednesday, he didn't and as such is guilty of gross misconduct, end of.

[Hazy2]

I'm not a Tevez supporter I'm just trying to establish if our management team have been crystal clear in explaining their expectations from Tevez. I'm sure our legal teamwill examine all communications. I would like the club to be whiter than white in this very public dispute.

Last time it was Bob speaking after the match and he should probably have not said anything but you can fully understand his outburst. This time it's been dealt with by HR and lawyers in a calm fashion. If they didn't do it properly, they want sacking.

I wasnt thinking so much of HR procedures following him "not being present at the club on Wednesday" but making it clear that he was "definitely required to attend the club on Wednesday". From what Tevez's camp has said Tevez seems to have been trying to obtain permission to leave from a number of management staff before he left.

On the face of it the incident is not quite as bad as Robinho's departure from Mark Hughes' training camp in Tenerife in 2009, where Robinho didnt seem to have been sought permission to return to Brazil.

My concern is that our management /coaching staff should let him know "exactly" what they expect from him. To be unclear is unprofessional and open to dispute as was found to be the case with the touchline dispute at Bayern.

I am not on Tevez' side I just dont want our club to be open to criticism. I dont think we should demonise Tevez, we should try and understand him and ideally sell him for the best price in January. We are losing huge sums of money on Tevez's sale price by such incidents. Disputes should be avoided where possible by clear communications.

Imo, it is unlikely after this latest outburst, that anyone will pay even £20 mil for Tevez in January. If it was an isolated incident it would be different but it's one of a series going back over a year & probably the straw that breaks the camel's back. Would Real or Barca want such a player permanently in their dressing rooms when fighting tooth & nail for the title & the Chump's Lg ? Why ?

Surely if any one of the major clubs come in for Tevez, they will want to take him on loan, not spend £20 mil on him in January ? The only people willing to spend that money, imo, would be smaller clubs looking to make a statement of intent, like we did with Robinho. How many of them want to make that statement in January though, & would he play in Russia for example ?

What happens if we let him off yet again, & are unable to do a deal to sell him in Jan ? Is it really the safest option to bank on transferring him out ? Imagine if he's still here in Feb.

Cancel his contact, save the money on his wages & sue him.

Silence in situations legal mean the decision will be revved up to the max Ted, head on now no compromise, Roberto out of the picture with Tevez and spats. No point in fannying around with Gordon Taylor who is making the right noises, but did last time and shat on us. This will be contract breaches and maximum damage limitation on our asset.Gloves off fuck him and his agent. he will end up broken by his behaviour.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I'd love to see a situation where we screw him for everything he is worth but he reportedly has a net worth of £14 million, this is nowhere near his market value on a transfer, so is there any point in sacking him?

It seems the best course of action if it's possible is to get what we can for him in January and sue him the difference in the market value that he has diminished through his actions.

[Ted Hughes]

The saddest thing about all this is that if Tevez had just got on with his job & put in the work on the pitch (like he always had previously) but maintained his stance that he wants to move away, sooner or later City would have sold him for decent money, signed a quality player to replace him in the squad; Tevez would be happily playing football elsewhere & his reputation wouldn't be in ruins; he would be happy, we would be happy.

He & his 'advisors' have made such a complete mess of this it's ridiculous. The combination of Kia's underhandedness & Tevez' mental illness has created a fiasco which sinks below mere incompetence to something so hopeless we've never seen the likes of it previously.

Why anybody would want Kia Joorabchian as an 'advisor' after this God only knows.

[Blueonblue]

This is heading only one way now, we fire his arse and sue him for every penny he has, bankrupt the c*nt by tying him up in legal actions for years,
Whoever his commercial deals are with should be given a choice of pulling them or being overlooked by current and future City players, our owners have a hell of a lot of financial clout outside of football that could impact every aspect of the c*nts life.

F*ck him, his family, and his f*cking dog into the poor house.

[Plain Speaking]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

[Tokyo Blue]

Perhaps he doesn't want to play football any more and is trying to fuck everybody off, including his "advisor". It is the only explanation I can think of for him doing what he has done.

He certainly isn't going to be playing again any time soon.

[Hazy2]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

The player clearly, has an issue with being managed, he dissented at the swamp when used by the manager as a sub or subbed, he knew the deal at the swamp was not for the rags and was joining us and acted up as he left. He is Benny big balls, no problem, however he is losing his battle with Mancini, and the team keeps winning maybe he should issue some statement blaming the team and teh manager for not losing, I feel 6-1 at the swamp will have killed him, and he realises the players are having the craic with him however doing the biz for the club., He is misguided rep down the drain and pissed off as he is a coward. They will resolve it as new year arivess he will be gone , to be an arse with the next manager, Jose ?

[Ted Hughes]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

[Blueonblue]

Let's get his conduct in perpsective.

While on the face of it you have a valid point that his actions hardly make him criminal, its clear that he has been taking the p*ss out of all of us while trying to engineer a move, its the utter contempt shown towards the club who pay him a kings ransom, and the supporters who pay their hard earned cash over every week that has got many peoples goat.

I am sick to death of him and his silly antic`s, and will be more than happy to see the back of him, but its so important for football in general, and the club in peticular that he does not walk away from this with a pocket full of that cash.

[Ted Hughes]

Let's get his conduct in perpsective.

While on the face of it you have a valid point that his actions hardly make him criminal, its clear that he has been taking the p*ss out of all of us while trying to engineer a move, its the utter contempt shown towards the club who pay him a kings ransom, and the supporters who pay their hard earned cash over every week that has got many peoples goat.

I am sick to death of him and his silly antic`s, and will be more than happy to see the back of him, but its so important for football in general, and the club in peticular that he does not walk away from this with a pocket full of that cash.

If he comes out of this without a huge financial penalty, enough to frighten anyone else from trying the same thing, football contracts are truly worth nothing. This is a test case for the whole sport.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Can we get the Israelis to kidnap Herman and bring him back for trial? They did a pretty good job with Adolf Eichman!

This is a fantastic comment; really had me chuckling. Compliments to you Mr 88.

(By the way, historically, the sentence the Israelis handed out was appropriate as well)

[Plain Speaking]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

[Kladze]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Plain speaking?

Did you consider the alternative user name of "total bollox" ?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Plain Speaking, he requested permission through his 'advisor' to acting City CEO McBeath at the weekend to take this break, this was turned down, that is all that matters here.

T***z is an employee of the club, not of Mancini's. Mancini cannot make that decision without the consent of the club, so any attempts T***z made to contact him are irrelevant.

[Plain Speaking]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Plain speaking?

Did you consider the alternative user name of "total bollox" ?

I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

[CityGer]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Plain speaking?

Did you consider the alternative user name of "total bollox" ?

Or he could have just been up front about it and called himself Paul McCarthy.

[Plain Speaking]

Plain Speaking, he requested permission through his 'advisor' to acting City CEO McBeath at the weekend to take this break, this was turned down, that is all that matters here.

T***z is an employee of the club, not of Mancini's. Mancini cannot make that decision without the consent of the club, so any attempts T***z made to contact him are irrelevant.

I did not know this. I just think all parties should communicate clearly so there are no misunderstandings.
If, as you say, Tevez was acting in complete disregard to an acting CEO's ruling it is more serious! Apologies.

[Ted Hughes]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Do you really believe that Tevez genuinely thought Mancini would give him a week off ? Come on. It's just a load of old cobblers in order to try & cover his tracks. The main reason Mancini wasn't using Tevez more before all this happened is not because of some kind of punishment for asking to leave, it's because he didn't consider him to be fit enough. The Argentinian national team don't think he's fit enough either. If we just wanted to sell him we still need to get him fit so he'd be working on that now.

We have bent over backwards to help this bloke (or more likely bent over forwards) & he has come to expect that he can get away with doing whatever he wants & that it will be ok. I recon he's about to find out that is no longer the case.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Plain Speaking, he requested permission through his 'advisor' to acting City CEO McBeath at the weekend to take this break, this was turned down, that is all that matters here.

T***z is an employee of the club, not of Mancini's. Mancini cannot make that decision without the consent of the club, so any attempts T***z made to contact him are irrelevant.

I did not know this. I just think all parties should communicate clearly so there are no misunderstandings.
If, as you say, Tevez was acting in complete disregard to an acting CEO's ruling it is more serious! Apologies.

I would suggest you do your research a lot better before commenting, as most of us on here follow every lead that is available, after which it is lunacy for anyone to even remotely defend this cunt.
We do understand him...hes a prize little cunt.....there is not even any substance there to think otherwise.

Tevez is fucked, and we have a DUTY to fuck him royally to send a message out there to any other TURD of a player that wants to try and go the same route.