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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Lev Bronstein » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:28 pm

I've no problem with people asking the question, we don't want complacecy setting in. But as for winning the CL, how many has Wenger won? The only time (so far) that Chelsea have got to a CL final they were managed by Avram Grant!

Tell you what, let's go for a manager with a proven track record in the CL - step forward Sir Alex Ferguson.

Or wean Guadiola from Barca, or bring Bob Paisley or Brian Clough back to life!

Thought not.

I can't think of anyone better at the moment.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Bluemoon16 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:38 pm

Blue2 wrote:
Bluemoon16 wrote:Are the insults directed at me or the writer of the article ??


I think they were directed at you mate, but only becuase you made your post look like it was your opinion.
I did write the name of the writer at the end of the article and even if it was my own opinion, why would some people insult me to that extent. Its just sad to know that some fans cant take critic at all, calling a City supporter a rag.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:40 pm

Lev Bronstein wrote:I've no problem with people asking the question, we don't want complacecy setting in. But as for winning the CL, how many has Wenger won? The only time (so far) that Chelsea have got to a CL final they were managed by Avram Grant!

Tell you what, let's go for a manager with a proven track record in the CL - step forward Sir Alex Ferguson.

Or wean Guadiola from Barca, or bring Bob Paisley or Brian Clough back to life!

Thought not.

I can't think of anyone better at the moment.


Wenger has got pass the quarterfinals....Mancini has never got pass them (I think)... that's the difference.

Like I said I want Mancini to stay on for the foreseeable but I also want him to learn from his mistakes.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:41 pm

Bluemoon16 wrote:
Blue2 wrote:
Bluemoon16 wrote:Are the insults directed at me or the writer of the article ??


I think they were directed at you mate, but only becuase you made your post look like it was your opinion.
I did write the name of the writer at the end of the article and even if it was my own opinion, why would some people insult me to that extent. Its just sad to know that some fans cant take critic at all, calling a City supporter a rag.


Dont worry about it pal.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby zuricity » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:45 pm

Pedro Pinto is some poor quality reporter on CNN.

He has simply read the rounds of weak journalistic diatribes as can be found by going to the newsnow.co.uk site.

He is also probably influenced by the stuff that gets written by that world famous journalist and wannabe "A. Sportmail-Reporter".

He has rehashed things from ages ago and put it out after City's first defeat in the PL.

Some people have no morals working for a buck.... and no idea.

Quite why blue---whatsit should feel the need to post this regurgitation again, is beyond me.

If we were in the bottom three, four months into a Campaign with Mancini saying things like , " we need time to gel", it might have some merit ( I can think of one other recent manager that had this problem). However, since we are on top , going into a really exciting period where we can expect to see some good entertaining games, it doesn't make sense.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby bigblue » Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:57 pm

He won us a trophy in his first full season. Still top of the league. Still with an insane goal difference. Still in 3 other cups besides the league.

And despite the drop off in intensity, he's got City playing some of the best football I've seen anywhere. Plus he bring loads of class that reflects very well on our club.

Some people seem to want a genie who can guarantee success in every game, get every decision 100% correct, and influence all external factors into making City win. Stop living in lala land and get real. At the current moment and for the foreseeable future, he is without a doubt the man.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby King Kev » Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:41 pm

Bluemoon16 wrote:I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: Roberto Mancini is not the right man to guide Manchester City to major football honors. I will go further by stating that while the Italian coach is still at Eastlands, the Citizens will not win the English Premier League or the European Champions League.

My opinion is based on several factors, some of which were quite evident again at Chelsea on Monday when City lost for the first time in the domestic league this season.

My first argument is about the way Mancini has been building his team. With virtually unlimited funds, he has loaded his squad with too many world-class forwards and not enough top defenders. City have now gone eight Premier League matches without a clean sheet, and that is one of the reasons why they will not win the title.

Against Chelsea, the 47-year-old - a forward himself during his distinguished playing career – had the likes of Samir Nasri, Edin Dzeko and Adam Johnson as replacement attacking options. He had to bring on Kolo Toure, primarily a central defender, as cover after left-back Gael Clichy was sent off.

Mancini often struggles to make the right substitutions. When City went down to 10 men at Stamford Bridge, he took off the only players who could lead a counter attack – Sergio Aguero and David Silva – and replaced them with a defender (Toure) and a defensive midfielder (Nigel de Jong).

He basically any conceded hopes of winning the game with15 minutes left, with the score level at 1-1, and decided to eliminate any chance his team had of scoring a quick breakaway goal. Someone like Nasri or Johnson could have provided a spark against a tired Chelsea defense on a heavy and soggy pitch. Furthermore, one of those flair players would surely have been able to earn a few free-kicks in City’s attacking third and take the pressure off their defense for a few minutes.

In terms of man management, I believe Mancini has actually improved after clashing with several players such as Emmanuel Adebayor and Craig Bellamy in his first season at the club, but he has still made a mess of the whole Carlos Tevez saga. First, he accused the player of not wanting to come on as a substitute in the Champions League game against Bayern Munich, then it transpired the Argentina forward actually did not want to warm up again and never refused to enter the game.

Whichever way you look at it, Tevez was wrong, but this issue could have been resolved internally. By claiming, in a TV interview, that Tevez would never play for the club again, Mancini not only alienated a top player but also someone who has big influence in the dressing room. In my opinion, he lost more than he gained in that episode.

My final argument is simple: Mancini should have been able to guide City into the knockout stages of the Champions League. The players are good enough for that. Many of them would even be good enough to win the competition, if, like I mentioned before, there were a few more quality defenders around. They had some very tough opponents in their group, no doubt about it, but City should have been able to avoid defeat in Munich and in Naples. That’s what top teams with top managers are able to do at the highest level.

Don’t get me wrong - Manchester City are still good enough to challenge for the title, but they will come up short. Players win games, teams win championships, and in my view this team with this manager will never be good enough to lift the Premier League trophy.
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Fuck me, he's been waiting a long time to publish that load of bollocks hasn't he!

"Mancini often struggles to make the right substitutions" - You couldn't make this shit up! Just have a look at how many times a player coming on as sub has scored for us this season!

If Pedro thinks Mancini is the wrong man for the job based on the above I am assuming that he also thinks BaconFace, Twitchy & all the other managers who have made mistakes this season are the wrong men for the job.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby usedtothespin » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:15 pm

It's a bit of a stretch to say we can't win the title with Bob as our manager. Sure he made and makes mistakes. His subs are terrible when 'scared' or in important stages of a game. See last night, or the Silva sub against Fulham. But, who says there is a perfect manager. There isn't, are there better? Could be. Most important question in my opinion is if he can still lead the team and improve players. I believe he can, and although i'm not his biggest fan, he's a decent guy and our manager. So he deserves out support (which he does) and we WILL win the title. Pedro Pinto or not.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:27 pm

I dont know how many managers has won the champions league but lets say its like 15 (not counting the old cup). OK, of those, how many has won it twice and thus proved it wasn't a fluke. Say 5? How many of those are still active and not yet over their peak? Guardiola?

Claiming that someone is a bad manager or not the right manager for a team aiming for success just because he (or she) hasn't won a champions league is just strange. Almost all managers who win a champions league title hasn't won it before and you know what, won't win it again. It's not because they are bad managers. It's because champions league is a very very very very very difficult tournament to win. It's also not only down to the manager but the composition of the team, the players, the fucking water bottles. Kicking in open doors (if that proverb exists in english) is an understatement for that piece of crap-attempt for a blog.

Also, Rafa Benitez has won the Champions League. Lets get him to be the manager of City.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby johnny99 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:44 pm

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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Ecclesblue » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:11 pm

Mancini as not been in job long he needs time. How can anyone judge a manager so early. It was a learning curve this year champions league and was a very tough group. The problem with this country it likes sacking managers for fun of it. Area is a difficult league to win and are a lot of good teams in it. But look at the way we have played this year we have been superb. So what I don't understand what else the manager can do top of league you can't go any higher. Yes we were tought a lesson in Europe but we will learn from it we need to get behind team and manager and let's enjoy what we ain't done for a while watching a team that is playing great football. Anyone who thinks any game is easy in are league are blind it's never easy to go the season with out losing a game or to and we also need to be patient. We won't win out if we do what Chelsea do and change manager every other year. Come on you blues and get behind Mancini he ain't done out wrong for me.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:29 pm

How many games have we lost in the Prem ?

Bob is nowhere near the finished article as a manager yet imo but I think that's a good thing; he's already performing at a very highl evel & he'll get better & better because he's learning from his own mistakes & develping new ideas to try & improve the team all the time. So long as he doesn't suddenly decide he knows everything, I expect both him & the team to keep improving & that's all that is required of any manager imo. If we keep getting better, we end up as the best.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:34 pm

In the past I've been a critic of Mancini, especially some of the dire, dire shit we played last season. I'm still angry about how we played like a Championship side in the home game vs Rags last season!!

But the football this season has been brilliant to watch and every game win, lose or draw (mainly win) has been entertaining. Even last night we were brilliant in spells. I'd like to see us stick with a manager for a good 8/9/10 years and build some consistency. He's doing a fine job.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:41 pm

I think the title in the OP is incorrect...it should be "will Mancini learn from his mistakes"..... that's all I want from him...I dont care if we lose games and miss out here and there but I dont want a repeat of the mistakes we made against Napoli home and away and Bayern away .
Last night for me , we should have replaced Yaya or Milner..they were both having shockers..Yaya more so than Milner.
We had Nasri and AJ on the bench..game changers and they did not get a sniff of coming on...why ?

Imo I think Mancini has got more subs wrong than right this season and I would like him to react more than he has done....I bet every City fan was wondering why Milner and/ or Yaya were not substituted last night.

Noone on this site is asking for him to be replaced so can some of the divs responding to this thread get that into their heads?
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:42 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Lev Bronstein wrote:I've no problem with people asking the question, we don't want complacecy setting in. But as for winning the CL, how many has Wenger won? The only time (so far) that Chelsea have got to a CL final they were managed by Avram Grant!

Tell you what, let's go for a manager with a proven track record in the CL - step forward Sir Alex Ferguson.

Or wean Guadiola from Barca, or bring Bob Paisley or Brian Clough back to life!

Thought not.

I can't think of anyone better at the moment.


Wenger has got pass the quarterfinals....Mancini has never got pass them (I think)... that's the difference.

Like I said I want Mancini to stay on for the foreseeable but I also want him to learn from his mistakes.


I get the argument about his credentials in Europe, until he wins something the question will always hang over him. I think the comparison to Wenger in this respect is unfair. Wenger has 18 years of management on Mancini, he has I believe 5 years on him in the CL.

If you compare both of their records in terms of trophies won Mancini is well on course to blow him out of the water. Wenger has 11 trophies( 13 if you include Japan ) and Mancini has 8 ( 10 if you include Italian Super Cups ).
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Fesan » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:49 pm

Whoever wrote this lost my interest after stating Mancini handled the Tevez saga badly. Something EVERY fan of football disagrees with and he has been praised for over and over.

Taking what Tevez says about "not wanting to warm up" as fact, well hard to believe anything else you say then.

We are by FAR the best team in the prem this season and Mancinis subs have won games in the past and impossible to know what would have happened if he did differnet in this game. Had they not gotten the pen maybe his subs would have been hailed as winners of a point?
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:52 pm

Only one criticism of him right now, and maybe this is as much the individuals in the team as him.

At Bayern and Chelsea we could and should have been out of sight after 30 mins - the start we made to both games was mindblowing, and absolutely the right way to go about things. However our heads seemed to go down as the dodgy penalty decisions (or non-decisions) rolled in in both games, we lost the midfield and the games were lost at that point

Definately something to work on, but if that is a criticism from 2 games (vs Chelsea and Bayern of all teams) out of 20+ games this season, i'm happy to see how he takes us forwards but i'd be disappointed to see dodgy decisions cause our heads to drop again.
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby ashton287 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:00 pm

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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby dazlebluefrog » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:47 pm

i'll put my hands up and say i was wrong about bob ,when he came we had "easy "games comin up, even hughes would of been able to win ,last year he brought us our 1st trophy (major)since 76 i was pleased for him and us
this year he's brought us to a new level never have i seem so many goals from a city team (i pinch myself just to make sure we're not end of april !! )
All that matters this season for me is 1st PLACE IN LEAGUE,ok the league cup is good ,fa cup as well , even europa cup but bobby surely has only 1 trophy he'd love more than any other, i now have every belief he can and will deliver
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Re: Is Mancini the right man for City?

Postby Chinners » Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:55 pm

dazlebluefrog wrote:i'll put my hands up and say i was wrong about bob ,when he came we had "easy "games comin up, even hughes would of been able to win ,last year he brought us our 1st trophy (major)since 76 i was pleased for him and us
this year he's brought us to a new level never have i seem so many goals from a city team (i pinch myself just to make sure we're not end of april !! )
All that matters this season for me is 1st PLACE IN LEAGUE,ok the league cup is good ,fa cup as well , even europa cup but bobby surely has only 1 trophy he'd love more than any other, i now have every belief he can and will deliver


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