Rangers have gone into administration!!!

[CityGer]

Blimmy, thats a bonkers stat ... I take it loads were called off

No, should have said. Full round of fixtures. Been tropical up here.

[Chinners]

Thats even more bonkers ....

[CityGer]

Thats even more bonkers ....

I know. It's normally fucking freezing this time of year.

[bobby brows]

I've always wondered if Rangers and Celtic were really serious about joining the Premier League why they didn't field a 2nd team in England's non-league pyramid and try and achieve it on merit, then when they, say, got to the conference withdraw from scottish fitba and transfer over.

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

We were discussing it in work today, Ignoring the UEFA, FIFA, FA rules etc, lets just say that Rangers entered administration and resigned from scottish fitba at the end of the season, The club would be essentially debt free other than the CVA set up to keep the club in existence. All players were sold or released and replaced with players from scotlands football league on a significantly reduced wage structure. Attendances would probably hold up as most people go to see Rangers as opposed to St Johnstone etc, losing the old firm game would be the biggest hit revenue wise.

Tv money wise - Rangers only get something like 4 mil a year to be on tv pretty much everyweek. If Rangers started in the north east counties, a league without a tv deal, the club could basically sell their own rights, what would BBC scotland pay to guarentee a couple of million viewing every week? or even on Rangers TV.

or:

If Rangers were to fold altogether would they apply to enter english football?

Either way it would be interesting to see it be done

[Beeks]

Would be the best year ever if City won the league and Rangers went tits up..

[HeyMark]

No, should have said. Full round of fixtures. Been tropical up here.

So more than all 3 divisions together or each division separately?

[Chinners]

Would be the best year ever if City won the league and Man U went tits up..

Fixed for you ....

[john68]

I've always wondered if Rangers and Celtic were really serious about joining the Premier League why they didn't field a 2nd team in England's non-league pyramid and try and achieve it on merit, then when they, say, got to the conference withdraw from scottish fitba and transfer over.

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Bobby, Legally, within the Union, Scotland and England are equal partners. That is not the case with Wales who are a conquered nation and joined the union because we took them in with us. That is why the plag of St David is missing fron the Union Flag and why they have an assembly rather than a parliament. The Welsh parliament is the one in Westminster.

The Scots are going to vote to see whather they wish to remain within the Union, The Welsh cannot do that, All this is reflected throughout a variety of organisations and is why those Welsh clubs play in England.

[CityGer]

So more than all 3 divisions together or each division separately?

1, 2 & 3 combined.

[Socrates]

I've always wondered if Rangers and Celtic were really serious about joining the Premier League why they didn't field a 2nd team in England's non-league pyramid and try and achieve it on merit, then when they, say, got to the conference withdraw from scottish fitba and transfer over.

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Bobby, Legally, within the Union, Scotland and England are equal partners. That is not the case with Wales who are a conquered nation and joined the union because we took them in with us. That is why the plag of St David is missing fron the Union Flag and why they have an assembly rather than a parliament. The Welsh parliament is the one in Westminster.

The Scots are going to vote to see whather they wish to remain within the Union, The Welsh cannot do that, All this is reflected throughout a variety of organisations and is why those Welsh clubs play in England.

Berwick. End of discussion. Oh, and the Welsh are discussing having a referendum on independence too. Two consecutive Plaid Cymru election victories would trigger an independence vote.

[john68]

I've always wondered if Rangers and Celtic were really serious about joining the Premier League why they didn't field a 2nd team in England's non-league pyramid and try and achieve it on merit, then when they, say, got to the conference withdraw from scottish fitba and transfer over.

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Bobby, Legally, within the Union, Scotland and England are equal partners. That is not the case with Wales who are a conquered nation and joined the union because we took them in with us. That is why the plag of St David is missing fron the Union Flag and why they have an assembly rather than a parliament. The Welsh parliament is the one in Westminster.

The Scots are going to vote to see whather they wish to remain within the Union, The Welsh cannot do that, All this is reflected throughout a variety of organisations and is why those Welsh clubs play in England.

Berwick. End of discussion. Oh, and the Welsh are discussing having a referendum on independence too. Two consecutive Plaid Cymru election victories would trigger an independence vote.

Socs, go away and read up on that properly Mate. Whatever the Welsh may decide, they will need to square it with the Central Goverment. Legally and historically, they remain a conquered nation...Yep, even from all those years ago.

[bobby brows]

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Bobby, Legally, within the Union, Scotland and England are equal partners. That is not the case with Wales who are a conquered nation and joined the union because we took them in with us. That is why the plag of St David is missing fron the Union Flag and why they have an assembly rather than a parliament. The Welsh parliament is the one in Westminster.

The Scots are going to vote to see whather they wish to remain within the Union, The Welsh cannot do that, All this is reflected throughout a variety of organisations and is why those Welsh clubs play in England.

Berwick. End of discussion. Oh, and the Welsh are discussing having a referendum on independence too. Two consecutive Plaid Cymru election victories would trigger an independence vote.

Socs, go away and read up on that properly Mate. Whatever the Welsh may decide, they will need to square it with the Central Goverment. Legally and historically, they remain a conquered nation...Yep, even from all those years ago.

Hello John

I suppose the difference is legally and internationally in terms of politics and football. Glasgow probably (most definitely) couldn't become part of England! Berwick have been mentioned above and a few years ago when Carlisle were threatened with falling out of the football league they were going to apply to enter Scottish football. Gretna were in englands non-league pyramid for years before they climbed to SPL and won a scottish cup. I'm sure if one looked hard enough they would find others.

I think if Rangers were to withdraw from scottish fitba and apply for the north east counties, the only thing that would stop them is if the other sides voted against it.

It would be interesting to see anyway

[Socrates]

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Bobby, Legally, within the Union, Scotland and England are equal partners. That is not the case with Wales who are a conquered nation and joined the union because we took them in with us. That is why the plag of St David is missing fron the Union Flag and why they have an assembly rather than a parliament. The Welsh parliament is the one in Westminster.

The Scots are going to vote to see whather they wish to remain within the Union, The Welsh cannot do that, All this is reflected throughout a variety of organisations and is why those Welsh clubs play in England.

Berwick. End of discussion. Oh, and the Welsh are discussing having a referendum on independence too. Two consecutive Plaid Cymru election victories would trigger an independence vote.

Socs, go away and read up on that properly Mate. Whatever the Welsh may decide, they will need to square it with the Central Goverment. Legally and historically, they remain a conquered nation...Yep, even from all those years ago.

Nope, you need to read up on it, you are 16 years out of date. 1997 Act of Parliament trumps 13th century invasion...

[john68]

Funny that because I was just reading up on it recently, The point was brought up by a couple of lawyers discussing the legalities and complexities of the Scottish vote. The difference was clearly mentioned.

It is a far more complex issue than can be easily debated on here mate.

[bobby brows]

Funny that because I was just reading up on it recently, The point was brought up by a couple of lawyers discussing the legalities and complexities of the Scottish vote. The difference was clearly mentioned.

It is a far more complex issue than can be easily debated on here mate.

Rangers coming to England or Wales breaking away? :-)

[BlueinBosnia]

I've always wondered if Rangers and Celtic were really serious about joining the Premier League why they didn't field a 2nd team in England's non-league pyramid and try and achieve it on merit, then when they, say, got to the conference withdraw from scottish fitba and transfer over.

I'm pretty sure this is totally illegal by UEFA standards, and the reason that Liechtenstein don't have their own league.

The difference being is the dynamic of Great Britain and the make up of its borders. Not to mention the inclusion of Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff in english footballs structure

Totally different scenario- Liechtenstein teams play in the Swiss league. When there were talks of the Principality forming its own league about 5 or 6 years back, the idea was for Vaduz to continue playing in the Swiss league, and field a skeleton/reserve team in their domestic league. UEFA categorically stated that they would not allow this to happen, and the idea was dropped, because at the time Vaduz were vying for a place in the Swiss top league.

[Socrates]

Funny that because I was just reading up on it recently, The point was brought up by a couple of lawyers discussing the legalities and complexities of the Scottish vote. The difference was clearly mentioned.

It is a far more complex issue than can be easily debated on here mate.

I worked at Westminster as a parliamentary researcher at the time mate, the MP who I worked for was on the committee for the bill. The matters and implications were discussed at great length and I stayed awake through most of it. The lawyers have it wrong, Wales has as much right to an independence vote as Scotland. Real difference is it has about a 1% chance of being successful, compared to about a 25% chance in Scotland!

[carl_feedthegoat]

I wouldn't go head to head John mate..the bastard is nearly always right..in topics like this one.

[Blue Since 76]

I worked at Westminster as a parliamentary researcher at the time mate, the MP who I worked for was on the committee for the bill. The matters and implications were discussed at great length and I stayed awake through most of it. The lawyers have it wrong, Wales has as much right to an independence vote as Scotland. Real difference is it has about a 1% chance of being successful, compared to about a 25% chance in Scotland!

Thought the reason of the difference now between the two colonies was that Scotland had voted for a parliament with a majority and the Welsh didn't. Wales could have had one if the vote had been big enough but they ended up with a middle ground. Few years ago though and haven't read up on it since.

[Chinners]

I concur with Socrates