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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:42 pm

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To organize them into a cohesive system you idiot. Not to hold their hand and wipe their tears

Do you really think that after Balo scored at 2-3 some players looked at Mancini, saw him shaking his head, and as a result had their confidence crushed and willingness to fight taken away?!?

What are you smoking?


A cohesive unit before the game starts but then to react to tactical changes. Sitting there dumbstruck he's no use to anyone. The guy has completely lost it. He looked like he was writing his after game speech to explain how we'd thrown the title away rather than working out how to salvage something.


Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about. I could see you having a go at him for not reacting if we lost 3-1.... but we did react and tied the game at 3-3.

Would you say the same (sitting there dumbstruck) about Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, or any of the other countless stoic managers in football?

You know that you can't actually read someone's mind just by staring really hard at their head? All your doing is attributing thoughts to Mancini based on your frustration at the current situation. It's pointless, petty, and unbelievably stupid



I think Blue was talking about the tactical reactions that Bob had the past years. The big problem that everyone has with Bob is that he has the tendency to fuck the tactic up, getting the lineup wrong or making dubious decision regarding the subs and that cost us almost everytime.

If we look in the match threads here, everytime there were discussion about two things:

1) His constant failure to motivate the squads
2) The late reaction when we are in trouble.


All in all, his future depends of how good or bad is his squad feedback, because the way we were playing lately, we could swear that no one likes him and wants him out.
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Re: Mancini

Postby bigblue » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:56 pm

PeterParker wrote:I think Blue was talking about the tactical reactions that Bob had the past years. The big problem that everyone has with Bob is that he has the tendency to fuck the tactic up, getting the lineup wrong or making dubious decision regarding the subs and that cost us almost everytime.


For every sub that he has gotten wrong, theres many more that he has gotten correct. Recently Tevez vs Chelsea and Pizarro vs Sunderland seem like pretty good changes. It's just that when we tie/lose games, everyone on here dwells on all the mistakes thats been made without stopping to think about almost everything else that's gone right. A very glass half empty type crowd
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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:03 pm

bigblue wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I think Blue was talking about the tactical reactions that Bob had the past years. The big problem that everyone has with Bob is that he has the tendency to fuck the tactic up, getting the lineup wrong or making dubious decision regarding the subs and that cost us almost everytime.


For every sub that he has gotten wrong, theres many more that he has gotten correct. Recently Tevez vs Chelsea and Pizarro vs Sunderland seem like pretty good changes. It's just that when we tie/lose games, everyone on here dwells on all the mistakes thats been made without stopping to think about almost everything else that's gone right. A very glass half empty type crowd


Yes and no. He has done the Tevez with Chelsea, that worked, then with Stoke, he decided to bring AJ on, instead of throwing Herman like he did with them, Tevez went in later, an AJ played poor and the same mistake was repeated yesterday with Sunderland.

I, for instance, like Bob, but i also know the fact that my biggest problem with him are his managerial mistakes and the fact that he is maybe the best in the league at preparing a big game, but has no idea how to motivate and win a game tactically with a smaller team.

We still look like a squad that doesn't win games as a team, but because of world class decision from some of our players.
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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:07 pm

PeterParker wrote:
bigblue wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I think Blue was talking about the tactical reactions that Bob had the past years. The big problem that everyone has with Bob is that he has the tendency to fuck the tactic up, getting the lineup wrong or making dubious decision regarding the subs and that cost us almost everytime.


For every sub that he has gotten wrong, theres many more that he has gotten correct. Recently Tevez vs Chelsea and Pizarro vs Sunderland seem like pretty good changes. It's just that when we tie/lose games, everyone on here dwells on all the mistakes thats been made without stopping to think about almost everything else that's gone right. A very glass half empty type crowd


Yes and no. He has done the Tevez with Chelsea, that worked, then with Stoke, he decided to bring AJ on, instead of throwing Herman like he did with them, Tevez went in later, an AJ played poor and the same mistake was repeated yesterday with Sunderland.

I, for instance, like Bob, but i also know the fact that my biggest problem with him are his managerial mistakes and the fact that he is maybe the best in the league at preparing a big game, but has no idea how to motivate and win a game tactically with a smaller team.

We still look like a squad that doesn't win games as a team, but because of world class decision from some of our players.


i didn't think AJ was horrible yesterday. He stretched them out and basically his presence, coupled with Pizza's ability to spray the ball around to the wings quickly and accurately, allowed Balotelli the space to get the fantastic goal he did. Am i alone in seeing that?

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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:13 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
bigblue wrote:
PeterParker wrote:I think Blue was talking about the tactical reactions that Bob had the past years. The big problem that everyone has with Bob is that he has the tendency to fuck the tactic up, getting the lineup wrong or making dubious decision regarding the subs and that cost us almost everytime.


For every sub that he has gotten wrong, theres many more that he has gotten correct. Recently Tevez vs Chelsea and Pizarro vs Sunderland seem like pretty good changes. It's just that when we tie/lose games, everyone on here dwells on all the mistakes thats been made without stopping to think about almost everything else that's gone right. A very glass half empty type crowd


Yes and no. He has done the Tevez with Chelsea, that worked, then with Stoke, he decided to bring AJ on, instead of throwing Herman like he did with them, Tevez went in later, an AJ played poor and the same mistake was repeated yesterday with Sunderland.

I, for instance, like Bob, but i also know the fact that my biggest problem with him are his managerial mistakes and the fact that he is maybe the best in the league at preparing a big game, but has no idea how to motivate and win a game tactically with a smaller team.

We still look like a squad that doesn't win games as a team, but because of world class decision from some of our players.


i didn't think AJ was horrible yesterday. He stretched them out and basically his presence, coupled with Pizza's ability to spray the ball around to the wings quickly and accurately, allowed Balotelli the space to get the fantastic goal he did. Am i alone in seeing that?

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For me he looked off, many mistakes, his crosses were terrible and so on. On the other hand, if Bob would had used him from the start, i think we would have won. AJ is the type of player that plays very well at home, with smaller teams, but yesterday it wasen't the case.

Untill Pizza came on, must of our players were average.
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Re: Mancini

Postby SmallTimeCharlie » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:49 pm

edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


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Re: Mancini

Postby bluej » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:03 pm

I thought his reaction to Sunderland's 3rd was pretty good, he was acknowledging their good break.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:05 pm

SmallTimeCharlie wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Top post, sprayed my brew, lmfao.

I suppose that would've been a top post if Maurenn hadn't already said there's absolutely no chance of it happening.
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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:09 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
SmallTimeCharlie wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Top post, sprayed my brew, lmfao.

I suppose that would've been a top post if Maurenn hadn't already said there's absolutely no chance of it happening.


If Mourinho wasen't a manager, i think he would had been a hell of a reporter for The Sun, because of the amount of bollox he delivers to the media.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:12 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
SmallTimeCharlie wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Top post, sprayed my brew, lmfao.

I suppose that would've been a top post if Maurenn hadn't already said there's absolutely no chance of it happening.


If Mourinho wasen't a manager, i think he would had been a hell of a reporter for The Sun, because of the amount of bollox he delivers to the media.

Ha ha ha, I'm not even going to try and convince you, your bubble is well intact.
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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:19 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
SmallTimeCharlie wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Top post, sprayed my brew, lmfao.

I suppose that would've been a top post if Maurenn hadn't already said there's absolutely no chance of it happening.


If Mourinho wasen't a manager, i think he would had been a hell of a reporter for The Sun, because of the amount of bollox he delivers to the media.

Ha ha ha, I'm not even going to try and convince you, your bubble is well intact.


I think the sunny Madrid was too much for him. He needs his trenchcoat again and where to display it other than England.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:25 pm

PeterParker wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
PeterParker wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:I suppose that would've been a top post if Maurenn hadn't already said there's absolutely no chance of it happening.


If Mourinho wasen't a manager, i think he would had been a hell of a reporter for The Sun, because of the amount of bollox he delivers to the media.

Ha ha ha, I'm not even going to try and convince you, your bubble is well intact.


I think the sunny Madrid was too much for him. He needs his trenchcoat again and where to display it other than England.

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Re: Mancini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:27 pm

edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


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Re: Mancini

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:39 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Welcome back Edge...you have been missed.


i could have written those two posts in my sleep.

What's next? Slim?

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Re: Mancini

Postby PeterParker » Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:42 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:
edge275 wrote:I think at the end of the season, even if we win the league we should sack Mancini and bring Mourinho in if he's available. Just pay him whatever.


Welcome back Edge...you have been missed.


i could have written those two posts in my sleep.

What's next? Slim?

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Where is the old chap? Since he went we started going down. The sheik and Bob should had brought him back instead of Herman.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:40 pm

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Stopped reading right there. Goes to show you don't understand it at all.


Ranieri rotated constantly - finished second

Benitez rotated constantly - finished second

Mancini rotated constantly - finished ?

When there's three games in a 7 or 8 day period, I agree you need to keep I fresh, but he's rested players at times when we haven't had another game for a week. Our game revolves around having attacking full backs, yet he's rotated them regardless of fitness or form.

We were five points clear and we're now two behind and could be five if the rags win the game in hand. That's ten points lost since Xmas. Mancini has lost his way Sven style and doesn't appear to have a clue how to get it back.


So you really think our starting XI is capable of performing for something like 60 games a year+internationals. Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:07 pm

Gets it wrong far too often.
Way too negative.
He holds us back.
I might also point out that the spell from the start of the season til September has been the exception with us playing good football. The vast majority of what we have played under Bob has been utter wank.
Even the rousing second half at Wembley was inspired by VK's stirring speech rather than anything Mancini said.
He has gotta go. We are wasting time fannying about with him.
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Re: Mancini

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:14 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
So you really think our starting XI is capable of performing for something like 60 games a year+internationals. Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?


Well since I mentioned that when there were mid-week games you'd have to rotate, I guess I don't think they'd be playing 60 games a season.

How many times has Clichy played back to back games even when there's a week between games? Either he's made of glass or he does rotate for the sheer hell of it.

Whatever the reason for the rotation, I've given two examples of managers who constantly rotated and finished second. Can you give me an example of one who's done it and won the premier league?
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Re: Mancini

Postby Grob » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:17 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?


Clichy and Kolorov are rotated just for the sake of it i think
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Re: Mancini

Postby Dameerto » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:22 pm

PeterParker wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i could have written those two posts in my sleep.

What's next? Slim?

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Where is the old chap? Since he went we started going down. The sheik and Bob should had brought him back instead of Herman.


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